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More battery! It was great move in 2021 (and one that tilted mi towards Mac)... don't go back to "slim at every cost" just to be sleak and whatnot... it's called macbook PRO for a reason...
There are levels of weight loss and thickness reduction.
No one is talking about halving it, but cutting off a few millimeters and like 200 grams would be welcomed.
It's the heaviest MBP since the 2012 Macbook, I'm sure the 3T company can find a way to design a lighter laptop that is not compromised in any major way.
 
What are you actually doing that you need more power and more battery life? Because it must be insane! And probably the MacBook Pro is the wrong device.
I did not say "more power" nor "more battery life".
I just stated that for all these devices (laptop computers, iPhones and iPads) I find more valuable power, battery life, durability, and repairability than how thin it is.
Basically, because thin is a design tradeoff for all that.
 
+1 for thinner iPhones, I really miss the designs of the iPhones when they were really thin and wrapped around. Those who need more battery just have to add a magsafe battery.
 
I did not say "more power" nor "more battery life".
I just stated that for all these devices (laptop computers, iPhones and iPads) I find more valuable power, battery life, durability, and repairability than how thin it is.
Basically, because thin is a design tradeoff for all that.
You actually said 'Give me power, battery life, durability, and repairability.' So I concede that I read that as saying you wanted more of those in lieu of thinner devices. But now I think you’re saying you just don’t want less of those, as you think a thinner device would give you less? Is that what you’re saying?

I believe you’ll find that the iPad Pro M4 is thinner but still has more power and a far better quality screen, and the same 10 hour battery life. Thus I don’t see it as a trade off at all, because those things haven’t been reduced.

The MacBook Pro M3 Max is a pretty powerful machine and over spec'd for the vast majority of users and have a reported 22 hours battery life! Best in class I believe. ($'s aside of course - that’s an entirely different conversation).

Durability is almost always improving, but certainly not being reduced. The iPad Pro M4 is definitely stronger with a lateral brace added this time around. Now they need to work on a vertical one.

Repairability… well it’s Apple, but they have certainly made them a lot easier to repair. Just not upgradable. Many tear downs show this.

Portability is pretty darned important for Portable devices. And thinner without losing Power, battery life and durability and easier to repair (but not upgrade) have all been ticked. But we can have different perspectives and believe different things.
 
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By time the give us a removable battery and the door that will open and close, thicker. But knowing Apple and their love of “thin”, they will just decrease the battery size/capacity. The battery, itself, will have to come in more robust packaging just because the consumer can take it out and handle it.
 
So we squeeze a few mm off the iPhone but then add a terrible case because the iPhone alone is not designed for actual real life usage. A design flaw in my view.
I haven't used a case since the iPhone 3G, I've broke 1 screen since then (replacement has been cheaper than cases for all the phones since then, and with apple care 1 replacement is cheaper than 1 case). I just followed Neil deGrasse Tyson's advice and rarely drop my phone, and when I do I fumble it to the ground enough that when it hits, there is no damage.
 
So we squeeze a few mm off the iPhone but then add a terrible case because the iPhone alone is not designed for actual real life usage. A design flaw in my view.
This! This may sound odd but I do miss old Nokia design and then what they did with Lumia - it was durable, nice in touch due to polycarbons (I hate overuse of metal and glass in phones) and didn't require additional case just to make it last... and if it wore out one could change the case itself (as well as battery)... for a 'my precious, my shiny' we ended up in a world with kinda terrible and un-funcional devices... 🤦‍♂️
 
This is the issue here.

There is an audience that wants thinner and lighter. There also is an audience that wants more performance and battery life with each iteration.

Who wins? Is there a way where Apple has a way to keep most of the their customers satisfied?
The people who are obsessed with making it thin to the detriment of usability are wrong. Every time Apple has done this, it's resulted in huge complaints and they've had to backtrack. Look how they screwed up the keyboards in the 2016 MacBook Pros. All that drama just to shave off 0.5mm.
 
You wrote incorrect information and instead of owning your mistake, you double down.

2021 16" - 2.1-2.2kg (pro/max)
2019 16" - 2.0 kg
2019 15" - 1.83 kg
2018 15" - 1.83 kg
2017 15" - 1.83 kg
2016 15" - 1.83 kg
2015 15" - 2.04 kg
2014 15" - 2.02 kg
2013 15" - 2.02 kg
2012 15" - 2.56 kg - here you have a lighter machine.

So the current big-size Macbook Pro is heavier than 9 generations of large MBPs but lighter than a machine from 12 years ago, wow, what an achievement!


Also, that's a nice list for all opponents of weight loss for the current generation. I don't think anyone is expecting a weight of around 1.5 kg, but 1.8-1.9 kg would be perfect.
I’m not who you replied to, but it’s relevant for me. I made the jump from a 2012 15” cMBP with the optical drive to an M2 Max 16” MacBook Pro. So the new one was lighter than my old one. :)
 
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I know I'm in the minority here but I fell into the camp that wants the pro to be thinner. I'd rather get slightly less performance or battery life if they can make it thinner. But I don't want to go MBA. It's too much drop of performance for me.

I can't get enough of how I felt when I first get the first gen 15" retina. From time to time I would work on that computer and stop to admire just how well designed that thing was. It got such perfect balance between beauty and power. "How the hell did they get a quad core machine, with 15" screen, in such a thin form factor!?", was what kept on running in my mind. No other competitors came close. They're 10 steps ahead.

I don't get the same feeling from neither the butterfly models (too much beauty, not enough power) nor the M1 models (the other way around).

I'm done. Now go and hit that dislike button lol
 
Why thin on the Pro? If they're going to make it thinner, do it in the MacBook Air. Or better, revive the 12 inch MacBook and make that the thin and light notebook.
 
I know I'm in the minority here but I fell into the camp that wants the pro to be thinner. I'd rather get slightly less performance or battery life if they can make it thinner. But I don't want to go MBA. It's too much drop of performance for me.

I can't get enough of how I felt when I first get the first gen 15" retina. From time to time I would work on that computer and stop to admire just how well designed that thing was. It got such perfect balance between beauty and power. "How the hell did they get a quad core machine, with 15" screen, in such a thin form factor!?", was what kept on running in my mind. No other competitors came close. They're 10 steps ahead.

I don't get the same feeling from neither the butterfly models (too much beauty, not enough power) nor the M1 models (the other way around).

I'm done. Now go and hit that dislike button lol
No disagreement from me. Whilst I have the 15 Pro, and love it, I just sold an iPhone 8 today. So light, and feels fantastic in the hand. I know we can’t go back, I wish we could.
 
Maybe I am in the minority, but I still carry an iPhone Xs Max because of the thinner size and 3D touch. Before i would upgrade each year. I will start upgrading yearly again if a new thinner model comes out.

I also switched to MacBook Air models when the M2 came out due to the thinner profile and better portability now that the screens are high quality and the chip is powerful as well, unlike the Intel Airs. Ive tried 16" and 14" models but found them too large for daily carry. If you work at a desk 99% of the time I guess it does not matter to you. If a thinner MacBook Pro comes out, I will go back to Pro models.
 
Why thin on the Pro? If they're going to make it thinner, do it in the MacBook Air. Or better, revive the 12 inch MacBook and make that the thin and light notebook.
I think it's the designer in me speaking. And it's gonna sound ******** and very subjective.

The proportion somehow feels... off. For this design to feel proportional and aesthetically pleasing, it needs to be just a tiny bit thinner. Actually, I think it *has* to be the body, not the screen lid that's made thinner.

So it's not just about making it thinner but also about making the proportion more even.
 
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Apple intends to slim down the MacBook Pro, Apple Watch, and iPhone, with the new ultra-thin M4 iPad Pro a sign of the company's new design trajectory, according to Bloomberg's Mark Gurman.

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When the M4 iPad Pro was unveiled last month, Apple touted it as the company's thinnest product ever, and even compared it to the 2012 iPod nano to emphasize its slim dimensions.

Writing in the latest edition of his Power On newsletter, Gurman says that like the iPad Pro, Apple is now focused on delivering the thinnest possible devices across its lineups without compromising on battery life or major new features.

Gurman writes that the new iPad Pro is the "beginning of a new class of Apple devices," and that Apple's aim is to offer "the thinnest and lightest products in their categories across the whole tech industry."

Apple now reportedly has its sights on making thinner versions of iPhone, Apple Watch, and MacBook Pro over the next couple of years.

Gurman's sources tell him Apple is now focused on developing a significantly skinnier iPhone in time for the iPhone 17 line in 2025, corroborating a May report by The Information. According to the latter report, Apple is planning to launch an all-new thinner iPhone 17 model next year that will allegedly feature a "major redesign" akin to the iPhone X.

Gurman previously reported that Apple is planning a complete revamp of the Apple Watch for the device's tenth anniversary, dubbed "Apple Watch X."

Since the original Apple Watch was unveiled in 2014 and launched in 2015, Gurman is unsure whether the ‌Apple Watch X‌ will be released in 2024 or 2025. However, Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo today claimed that this year's upcoming Apple Watch will have a larger screen and thinner design, which sounds like the sort of major overhaul and design signature that Gurman has suggested.

In 2021, Apple significantly redesigned the MacBook Pro, making it thicker and heavier. A major highlight of the redesign was the reintroduction of several ports that were removed in previous iterations in favor of chassis thinness. MacBook Pro models now include an HDMI port, an SD card slot, MagSafe 3 charging port, three Thunderbolt 4 (USB-C) ports, and a headphone jack.

Article Link: Apple Developing Thinner MacBook Pro, Apple Watch, and iPhone
istg they dont need to be thinner, if they can make it thinner, thinner is not the answer. give us more battery life, "make it thinner" is the one thing apple thinks of when they run out of ideas, there are better ideas like, more performance, efficiency, battery life. if they make it thinner, it may get hotter, run louder and sound like a jet engine like many pcs, or they may have to make it ugly and ergonomic and no one wants that
 
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