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I don't think they were being a loan shark... it was 0% loans... they weren't making anything off of it
Ahh ok, I never used it I thought it was one of those where if you don’t pay it off in X months you’d have to pay interest back to the purchase date

Less bad, but Apple shouldn’t really encourage bad financial decisions
 
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Goldman Sachs does not service Apple Pay Later. It is instead handled by Apple Financing, LLC (NMLS #2154940).

It makes sense to leave the loans to other providers while offering tight integrations. Curious to know if there was a lot of fraud / adverse selection.

I think Apple discovered that the Klarna and others installment financing schemes are not particularly profitable due to high default rate.
 
Apple Pay Later was a non-starter for me because it required using a debit card to checkout.

I wonder if the new version will just use the installment plan (with fees) that credit cards already offer or if it'll be a fee-free Apple partnership.
 
Probably has to do with Apple's new partnership with Affirm they announced last week

  • Apple device users will soon be able to tap into buy now, pay later loans from Affirm for purchases, the companies said Tuesday.
  • Affirm will surface as an option for Apple Pay users on iPhones and iPads later this year.
  • Apple also said that installment loans via credit and debit cards would be available on Apple Pay in the U.S. with Citigroup, Synchrony and Fiserv-related issuers.


The ability to redeem rewards for a purchase with Apple Pay will be available beginning in the U.S. with Discover and Synchrony, and across Apple Pay issuers with Fiserv. The ability to access installments from credit and debit cards with Apple Pay will roll out starting in Australia with ANZ; in Spain with CaixaBank; in the U.K. with HSBC and Monzo; and in the U.S. with Citi, Synchrony, and issuers with Fiserv. Users in the U.S. will also be able to apply for loans directly through Affirm when they check out with Apple Pay.


Article title should be Apple Discontinuing Apple Pay Later, Replacing It With Affirm
No the article shouldn’t be titled that. Affirm installments is an addition to installments already on offer from others as the article stated

  • Apple also said that installment loans via credit and debit cards would be available on Apple Pay in the U.S. with Citigroup, Synchrony and Fiserv-related issuers.
 
Probably has to do with Apple's new partnership with Affirm they announced last week

  • Apple device users will soon be able to tap into buy now, pay later loans from Affirm for purchases, the companies said Tuesday.
  • Affirm will surface as an option for Apple Pay users on iPhones and iPads later this year.
  • Apple also said that installment loans via credit and debit cards would be available on Apple Pay in the U.S. with Citigroup, Synchrony and Fiserv-related issuers.


The ability to redeem rewards for a purchase with Apple Pay will be available beginning in the U.S. with Discover and Synchrony, and across Apple Pay issuers with Fiserv. The ability to access installments from credit and debit cards with Apple Pay will roll out starting in Australia with ANZ; in Spain with CaixaBank; in the U.K. with HSBC and Monzo; and in the U.S. with Citi, Synchrony, and issuers with Fiserv. Users in the U.S. will also be able to apply for loans directly through Affirm when they check out with Apple Pay.


Article title should be Apple Discontinuing Apple Pay Later, Replacing It With Affirm
100%, that was exactly my thought and I fully expected this to happen when i saw the Affirm partnership.
 
Apple need to get their act together and stop releasing Apple Pay features that are US only. With all due respect to my American friends, you guys don’t even use Apple Pay!
Other countries seem to think that this whole “Apple offering products that their citizens want” needs to stop, and stop now. So, it’s not surprising to me that they’re waiting to see how the current situation plays out before adding any new features.
 
Apple need to get their act together and stop releasing Apple Pay features that are US only. With all due respect to my American friends, you guys don’t even use Apple Pay! It’s shocking that you can’t even pay in almost any restaurant in the US with it. It’s shocking how low the adoption is. In the UK for example, the adoption rate of Apple Pay is practically 100% of all iPhone users. And it’s accepted everywhere. I can pay for a Michelin star meal as well as any local restaurant with Apple Pay.
This is nonsense. It has nothing to do with Apple getting its act together. Apple Pay adoption in the US has been growing exponentially for a while and is accepted virtually everywhere now.

The major difference is changing processes/habits and tipping culture. In your example of restaurants.... most US restaurants actually do take Apple Pay (really... contactless payments). But in the US, the process of a paper check being delivered to a table by a server, who then returns and picks up the check with a physical credit card, runs the card, and then returns with the credit card transaction receipt with signature and tip line is very much engrained in most American restaurants. In Europe, most restaurants have used handheld credit card scanners for many years. In the US this is only starting to gain popularity, but very little popularity at nicer restaurants.... it's seen much higher uptake at fast casual type restaurants.

But at most of these American restaurants.... if you actually put your phone with Apple Pay open and approved on the screen, the server could take it back and pay at their kiosk. Just no one is going to do that. It's not Apple's fault. But it is changing, and in a few years it will be the norm to pay by phone everywhere in the US
 
At this point they should just can the whole Apple Card (since we KNOW It won’t be released worldwide at any point with Goldman as the partner), and concentrate on getting Apple Cash in more countries, and greatly improving the Connected Cards feature to more than just Discover in the United States.
 
Apple need to get their act together and stop releasing Apple Pay features that are US only. With all due respect to my American friends, you guys don’t even use Apple Pay! It’s shocking that you can’t even pay in almost any restaurant in the US with it. It’s shocking how low the adoption is. In the UK for example, the adoption rate of Apple Pay is practically 100% of all iPhone users. And it’s accepted everywhere. I can pay for a Michelin star meal as well as any local restaurant with Apple Pay.
You are kidding right? I use Apple Pay at restaurants all the time, in fact, a lot of the mom and pop restaurants bring the card reader to the table, JUST LIKE THE UK. The major chains usually now have a QR code that you can scan, or a crappy tablet set at the table set up to take payments. For the ones that have none at all, you can still use your iPhone to pay the server by using the “pre-auth” method. That method is getting rarer and rarer thankfully.

And as for regular stores, pretty much everyone but Walmart and Home Depot has Apple Pay.
 
I never really thought this was going to “stick” per se. So I’m not surprised that Apple is shutting this service down.
 
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Apple need to get their act together and stop releasing Apple Pay features that are US only. With all due respect to my American friends, you guys don’t even use Apple Pay! It’s shocking that you can’t even pay in almost any restaurant in the US with it. It’s shocking how low the adoption is. In the UK for example, the adoption rate of Apple Pay is practically 100% of all iPhone users. And it’s accepted everywhere. I can pay for a Michelin star meal as well as any local restaurant with Apple Pay.

This is because contactless is accepted EVERYWHERE in the UK and has been this way for over a decade. No exceptions. Apple Pay = contactless so you can use it anywhere here. As much as I was shocked when I started visiting the US over a decade ago to find they were so far back with contactless payments, I also couldn't believe it on my more recent visits where Apple Pay wasn't just accepted everywhere. I just use my watch to pay for everything and don't even take cards with me and got caught short in the US, was really embarrassing.

It was the same back with the first mobiles, they were common and mainstream in the UK many years before they were internationally in the US.
 
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