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Apple Engineers Reportedly Working on ChatGPT-Like AI Despite Siri Design Flaws

jdb8167 said:
I juust asked ChatGPT how the Boston Bruins were doing this season. I got this as a response:


Everyone thinks that ChatGPT is magic but it is just a very sophisticated language model that was trained on what is now stale data.

I asked Siri the same question and got a response that the Bruins are in first place in the Atlantic division with a record of 50-11-5 and 105 points.
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Heretic😉.

Also… chatGTP question had to typed in I presume. Speech recognition still a big hurdle.
 
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NT1440 said:
ChatGPT’s own response is exactly what I was saying. ChatGPT on its own is not an assistant, it would need to be developed into one. So the poster I was responding to was barking up the wrong tree.

Noam is THE guy that made modern linguistics what it is. ChatGPT AS A LANGUAGE MODEL wouldn’t exist without his work. It’s not an AI, it is a language model with a user interface on the front end.
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I think they bypassed all Noam’s nonsense theory and brute forced it. The Noam way was the deadend until computational Was great enough to use current methods. I am sure they give him some small attribution but modern AI has been so successful because we ditched all those theories and started to let models provide solutions with giant data sets.
 
melgross said:
According to people formally at Apple, the code has never been rewritten. They just torturously added features.
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Apple cannot afford to waste one more second on the garbage fire that is Siri. Leave it as it is and build a replacement from scratch powered by Chat-GPT or some acquisition. Microsoft is already lapping them repeatedly and they should be horrified and embarrassed. Any attempt to "fix" Siri is time wasted.
 
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dantracht said:
I can see the bugs already.
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Siri, Google Ass-istant and Alexa are giant steaming piles of poopay, as Ted Lasso’s Jamie Tartt calls it.

So I do hope Apple is working to completely replace Siri with something new.

Maybe Siri can become Iris.

Anyway, whatever happens, it is true that Siri and her colleagues are giant disappointments that just don’t work very well, and can’t even get the basics right.
 
ipedro said:
Tim Cook has been a stable hand at Apple, building on the success of the roadmap Steve had defined. But he's not Steve Jobs. It takes a visionary to look beyond all the noise of "what's next" and identify future technologies and how they'll meet a still unrequested need that'll intersect with that technology becoming available. Steve Jobs' gift was that he could see years and even decades in advance and would start skating towards that puck. Apple doesn't have that today.

Neglecting Siri will probably be Tim Cook's undoing, specially if they're now just reacting to generative AI. Apple isn't going to suddenly collapse just because it doesn't have an openAI competitor but it could gradually make Apple devices less competitive if say Google integrates Bard directly into Android at a time when every user wants apps with generative AI built in and importantly, every developer wants to build those apps. If they can't do it on iOS, they'll build them exclusively on Android and that's going to be a problem for Apple.

I started a thread in February where I go deeper into this subject and my fears of Apple having missed the boat are starting to be realized.
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People need to stop making it sound like Tim Cook is a Tim Sook, Kook, Spook or Crook.

I mean despite his ginormous pay packet, it’s unfair to call him Tim Took.

Don’t refer to his legacy by renaming him Tim Look. His love of chess doesn’t mean you can rename him Tim Rook.

Just because he’s an avid reader doesn’t mean we should call him Tim Book.

Tim deserves respect for turning Apple into the world’s biggest tech company, that’s for sure. Tim has hooked us all in, but that’s because Apple sells products we want to buy!

🙏🙏🙏
 
NT1440 said:
Oh no, it definitely has extremely useful use cases.

My fear is that when not used for work, but inevitably gets used for things it’s not designed for (academics, NEWS REPORTING, etc) it’s going to be a massive problem.

ChatGPT is not a search engine, and has no way to verify its own “factual” output.

When used in a confined space, to do what it’s designed for (generate language based on criteria) it’s great.

But it is NOT a *knowledge* source, at all.
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Yes, I’ve seen ChatGPT just blatantly make up facts that are completely and utterly wrong, just complete BS, and yet it does with great confidence and authority. Disturbing!!
 
davemacdo said:
I asked Siri yesterday when the next season of Ted Lasso comes out. My phone gave the release date of season 2. My HomePod gave “summer 2022”, which was the estimated release back in 2021.

Alexa nailed it on the first try, for an Apple TV original.

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The only way is up, baby
For you and me now
Aah

Now we may not know, huh
Where our next result is coming from
But with ChatGPT by my side
I'll face what is to come

Aah, GPT4 I want to thank you
Yeah, for answering me this way
Things may be a little hard now
But we'll find a brighter day
Oh, yeah

(Hold on) hold on
(Hold on) hold on
Ooh, ooh ooh
hold on

(Hold on) won't be long (you’re still using the free version of me which isn’t as fast as the paid)
Ooh, yeah

The only way is up, baby
For you and me now
The only way is up, baby
For you and me now
Ooh ooh ooh

Etc etc lyrics etc 😂🤣
 
Look, trouble making a closed-loop system work well with overly-restrictive APIs that can't incorporate in some actual intelligence? What a shock!

Apple saw this coming; the only real problem is they didn't figure it would make them look as bad as they do.

Apple is so woefully behind the times on this one... the only advantage is that Siri does basic commands for apple hardware. It lacks any kind of actual intelligence, and unless Apple has a secret team doing mind-boggling amazing things that no one knows about and releases it in the next week.

It's not a revelation at all that Apple will try to hide behind "oh we're just concerned about security" and then deliver something similar in a few years that is "revolutionary" but also amazingly derivative and lucrative to Apple, especially under Tim's direction.
 
battlescarred1 said:
Why does Apple keep creating products that are seemingly great to start, then allowed to whither?
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This is such a good point and I don’t think people talk about it enough. I think it’s because they’re too concerned about their stupid AR headset or whatever shiny new thing.
 
melgross said:
According to people formally at Apple, the code has never been rewritten. They just torturously added features.
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A man that hasn’t worked there since 2016. There is absolutely no way for him to have that inside information.
 
haruhiko said:
The phrase "working on" in corporate double speak can have various meanings depending on the context, but it generally implies that the company is actively engaged in a project or initiative. However, it may also suggest that the project is in its early stages, and there are no concrete plans or timelines in place yet.

In some cases, "working on" can be a vague and non-committal way for a company to acknowledge a problem or issue without making any promises or guarantees about a solution. It can also indicate that the company is exploring different options or considering various approaches before making a decision.

Overall, the phrase "working on" can be interpreted as a way for a company to signal that it is taking action, without committing to any specific outcomes or timelines. It is important to note that this phrase should be evaluated in the context of the specific company and situation, as it can have different connotations depending on the context in which it is used.

From your AI overlord, ChatGPT.
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Siri knows the phrase well in my household. She’s always “working on it”.
 
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Well, let me put it this way, for all these years, the only thing that SIRI has been good at is setting alarms. Yes, most of the time, I even think that SIRI is just pretending to be an AI alarm app.
 
Siri is the one thing I NEVER understood. How could Apple make such a **** product yet even Amazon can come out of the woodworks and create something better.
 
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Apple should have invested in OpenAI like Microsoft did. I get the feeling that OpenAI has really taken Apple by surprise, it's very obvious that the tech OpenAI is developing would be a great fit for Apple products and it's even more clear that people want and like technology like ChatGPT. How many BILLIONS is Apple going to now have to pay to catch up, when they could have invested OpenAI on the ground floor?
 
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svish said:
Good to see Apple working on it. Siri will require a lot of changes.
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I will be happy if Siri will be able to do some of its former functions, i.e. search my photos by object or date etc. Also, let me add to a note by voice. A really big help would be instead of taking away the “hey” trigger add to it and say hey Siri HomePod, or hey Siri iPad or hey Siri phone. So that the wrong device won’t answer if it’s incapable of doing whatever you request. You know, helpful things like that..
 
Just let me use Google Assistant for the time being.

I had a Pixel 6 and was shocked at how useful Google Assistant was after years of Siri’s shenanigans.
 
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