Hopefully. But for now there's a workaround. "Is the Mac app coming ? I would like to enjoy the app during work.
Not a chance.Hopefully Apple's Classical Music app will pique the interest of growing youth and help them appreciate the beauty of classical music, moving them closer to it, and further away from the vanity of tiktoks and instagrams.
I just noticed this tooOn a related point, having a look at the library within the classical music app, it seems to have surfaced some of the music I already have, mostly very _obvious_ classical albums like classical hits, or Hayley westenra. It hasn't brought anything through that's classical crossover or new age etc. so I'm guessing it's based on how the music is tagged already?
Yes because as we all know only old people like beautiful art But my teenagers didnt get the memo and listen to Mozart and Kanye often the same day.Excellent- I'm sure it going to work like magic! 🎻. A total game-changer for our parents and grandparents. For some, great grandparents. 👴🏻👵🏻🎶🎼
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Lol my friend’s 21 year old daughter is a classical violinist. She’s got an amazing career ahead of her. I’m sure she will love this app, too.Excellent- I'm sure it going to work like magic! 🎻. A total game-changer for our parents and grandparents. For some, great grandparents. 👴🏻👵🏻🎶🎼
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Thanks for this review. I've been thinking about subscribing to iDagio (I have the app but haven't used it much), but I was waiting for Apple Classical to launch, to see what it's like. It looks like I'm subscribing to iDagio.The app was automatically loaded to my iPhone at 10 p.m. EDT on Monday. First impression is that it seems a lot like a skin on a subset of Apple Music.
First search test did not inspire confidence.
- Typed “Beethoven symphony 2” (sans quotes) in the search box and the works (as opposed to albums) listed were the composer’s symphonies nos. 5, 9, 6, 7 and 3 along with, I assume, the number of recordings or tracks of each.
- Under that is a See All Works link. Selecting it takes you to a page that lists the symphonies as above followed by 8, 2 (finally!), 1, 4 and 10 (?!).
- Select 2 and you’re presented with a preliminary list of recordings, including an unexplained/unjustified Editor’s Choice (Berlin Phil under Rattle, no thanks), followed by a list of five Popular Recordings and a See All link.
- Select that and you finally get to the list of 500-odd albums that can be sorted by Popularity (the default), Name, Release Date or Duration. Lots of big name European and American orchestras under big name conductors, though you’ll have scroll through several screens before you come across a period instrument performance (Gardiner’s, with Savall's excellent performance coming a few more screens below that).
This is lame from start to finish and not that much better than Apple Music.
I used to subscribe to Idagio. Searching it for Beethoven symphony 2 presented you with a results page in two parts: a list of all the recordings and another list of the ensembles, the conductors and, for things like concertos and chamber music, the individual musicians. You want to hear Toscanini’s recording with the NBC Symphony Orchestra? You select NBC or Toscanini and bingo.
Searching Apple Classical for Turandot turns up scads of albums and tracks (all together in a single list…) but not the just released Warner recording with Radvanovsky and Kaufmann. To get that, I had to type Turandot Pappano (the conductor). Neither it nor the recently released William Christie-conducted Platée from Vienna had liner notes, let alone libretti. For new recordings, Idagio often had both in PDF format.
First impressions, I admit, but so far a disappointment. Plus, though there's lots of stuff in lossless and hi-res, I've no way to play it back in anything but mid-res (Sonos, which does hi-res with Qobuz and Amazon, and AirPod Pros).
I've been listening to classical music on and off for 45 years (now more on than off), since I was 18. I like lots of other music, from rock (60's to '80s) to jazz to classic R&B and soul, some country (older stuff), and New Wave from the '80s.Excellent- I'm sure it going to work like magic! 🎻. A total game-changer for our parents and grandparents. For some, great grandparents. 👴🏻👵🏻🎶🎼
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Not sure which is the meaning of this. I listen to Baroque music since my 13. I was naturally attracted to it with the onset of puberty. Stylus Phantasticus for organ is one of my all time preferences. This is not age-related.Excellent- I'm sure it going to work like magic! 🎻. A total game-changer for our parents and grandparents. For some, great grandparents. 👴🏻👵🏻🎶🎼
I share your sentiment, HOWEVER, not going to happen, at least until they grow up and become adults. I don't think I could get my 13 year old daughter to even add the app, and she's been playing flute for 3 years.Hopefully Apple's Classical Music app will pique the interest of growing youth and help them appreciate the beauty of classical music, moving them closer to it, and further away from the vanity of tiktoks and instagrams.
It's music. They're not that different. What is missing is a correct schema that groups all cases. Pop music also has its composers and in many cases they are different people than the performers, not to say the lyrics. A good database should be able to handle all those cases. But this is complex and current streaming services were built from the simplest (mainstream) use cases.The metadata is so different that it requires a very different data model. In pop music every piece is a single „song“ usually performed by one „artist“. In most cases several of such songs are grouped into an „album“.
In Classical music the main entity is the composition of which the composer is the most important. Then the piece consists of several „songs“ called movements. Several movements form the actual composition which is then a sonata, a symphony or whatever. Only then comes the performer which usually is also not a single artist. There are many recordings of the same composition by different performers. Very different to popular music.
It is the lack of keeping the movements together as a single piece which makes the current streaming models so annoying. You get a single movement from one piece followed by a movement from a different piece followed by another movement of yet another composition. The piece is all the movements not some excerpt. It is hard to search for a specific piece, like a Haydn symphony or anything that isn‘t some mainstay as Beethoven‘s fifth. Just tune in to something like Classic fm where they never play a complete piece with all movements.
I’m hoping it splits out my top played songs for the year in my 2023 most played playlist. I listen to classical while I work but I really want that separate. So far it looks like it won’t… it adds the songs to my Apple Music too, so I think this is just a different interface to listen to part of your Apple Music library and look up music (within the classical genre, obv).
I don't think there has been any official announcement or talk about a Mac app, but I'm assuming it'll come by the end of the year?Is the Mac app coming ? I would like to enjoy the app during work.
So true, especially considering some of the music dates back hundreds and hundreds of years and I'm assuming none of our grand or great-great-great-great...grandparents were around to enjoy it during the composition time!Not sure which is the meaning of this. I listen to Baroque music since my 13. I was naturally attracted to it with the onset of puberty. Stylus Phantasticus for organ is one of my all time preferences. This is not age-related.
It's music. They're not that different. What is missing is a correct schema that groups all cases. Pop music also has its composers and in many cases they are different people than the performers, not to say the lyrics. A good database should be able to handle all those cases. But this is complex and current streaming services were built from the simplest (mainstream) use cases.
In the same way there are many recordings of the same composition in classical music there are many covers of original songs in other musical styles or live recordings of songs by the same artist. Not to forget remastered editions of the same recording where sometimes is quite interesting to compare or even enjoy in a different way (and this applies to classical and pop or whatever).
It might not be unique to classical music but that is where it is most needed. I just listened to something with Apple music and it told me there are 7 songs. No, there weren’t. There were 4 works consisting of 7 movements.Regarding movements in classical music again this is a metadata issue and how this is represented in the app and how the app makes use of the existing metadata. Some progressive rock songs also have movement sections. Approaching this as a classical-only thing is a nice step but does not fix the root of the issue.
The difference is you see classical music when you open the app, plenty to start discovering for a novice. Now that there is an app, I'm sure there will be additions the app to support the acquaintedHope there's something don't get, but i can't see any difference vs. regular Apple Music.
I just want a simple, simple thing: filter results by composer, director and orchestra. I can't see this basic option, i still have to browse countless meaningless results.
That was one of the first things I checked when I got into my car this morning. Hopefully in the near future.Seems like they forgot CarPlay support. That is frustrating.
While I dont have any special knowledge on the subject- I can only imagine that native apps for all their platforms are in the works and probably not far behind. They were already notably late in releasing this app, so if I had to guess, they probably decided to focus on the iPhone app to get it released ASAP and will now take some feedback and usage statistics to craft versions for iPad, Mac, Tv, etc.Needs an iPad app, too. It was kind of gross opening it on my iPad Pro without realizing that it was just the iPhone app.
I was so excited about the Classical Music app and now I’m disheartened. The first problem I encountered is that it auto-populated my library with the classical music that existed in Apple Music. This would be fine, except that it randomly included several jazz albums. My attempt to delete those from the Classical Music library led me to the discovery of the worse problem...the libraries for Classical Music and Apple Music are not separate. They are intertwined. So, if I delete the Charles Mingus album from Classical Music...you know...because it’s not CLASSICAL...it deletes it from my Apple Music library. I also discovered that if I add an album in Classical Music, it adds it to my Apple Music. So, my dream of having a separate place to keep and listen to classical music, without bloating my Apple Music library, is squashed. If you know of a way to isolate the libraries and keep them separate, please let me know. Thanks!
Apple today published a support document explaining why it decided to release a standalone Apple Music Classical app for classical music.
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In short, Apple says the app was designed to support classical music's complex metadata:Apple offers a longer explanation on a new Apple Music Classical page:The support document provides answers to some other frequently asked questions about the app, which began rolling out today. Much of the information relates to how the Apple Music Classical app integrates with the standard Apple Music app.
Apple also shared a video overview of the app on YouTube:
Apple Music Classical offers over five million classical music tracks and is free to use with a standard Apple Music subscription on iOS 15.4 and later. The app is based on Primephonic, a classical music streaming service that Apple acquired in 2021. The app is available for the iPhone only at launch, with an Android version coming soon.
Article Link: Apple Explains Why It Launched an iPhone App Dedicated to Classical Music
Exactly! The iPhone-only decision is a total mystery to me. I can't remember the last time I listened to music on my iPhone. I always listen on my Mac. Bizarre. Hopefully it turns up for macOS soon, otherwise it's pretty much lost on me. (And yes, I am who actually sees the value of it, and would use it regularly.)Sure would be nice to have it on OS X for the home.