Awesome.I have your Calvin Coolidge quote at the bottom my work e-mails. Love it!
Awesome.I have your Calvin Coolidge quote at the bottom my work e-mails. Love it!
Those analogies aren't applicable to the situation. The banks encrypt your data. The banks aren't giving tools to the FBI that will inevitably get into the wrong hands ... putting half a billion bank accounts at the mercy of horrible people. What the FBI is requesting won't require a court order. They're requesting security circumvention be put into the Operating System itself that allows them to get into the phone ... rendering the entire Operating System vulnerable ... and open to the chaos that bad people will bring once they get their hands on this method for circumventing the phone. It is not a question of if, but of when. It's a bit shocking to me how so many of you do not comprehend the gravitas of this situation. You're not looking at the big picture here.
Au contraire... If you look at Article V of the US Constitution, you would see that it is quite easy to change the law on that. Just get 2/3 of each house of Congress and 3/4 of the States to ratify an Amendment, and you'd be home free!haha, blame yourselves as a country for that one, not your government, considering it's considered a God given right to own a gun in America. Obama would have done plenty to change gun laws but to me it seems so utterly enshrined in American culture, it will take a massive American culture shift to change people's opinions. And that will probably take generations, not years, Obama would have no chance to change America's gun laws. Your argument is very weak on that one, you need only look at your country to see that.
Why is it only 'American' corporations supporting this stance?
Apple are very much playing this as some sort of PR stunt as well to advertise they are going to make uncrackable devices, they are on a marketing stint for sales.
But I have also read they do not have the full support of the American public, some accusing them of supporting terrorism.
I am pretty certain where this will all end up, but you carry on your wave of people power.
It's meaningless in the rest of the world anyway as I believe each country has different laws, pretty sure in the UK Cook would have been out in jail by now. So it is an interesting insight into American law.
Au contraire... If you look at Article V of the US Constitution, you would see that it is quite easy to change the law on that. Just get 2/3 of each house of Congress and 3/4 of the States to ratify an Amendment, and you'd be home free!
I LOL'ed a bit when I saw today that Microsoft are going to file an amicus brief supporting Apple, going against Bill Gates' opinion.
http://recode.net/2016/02/25/microsoft-wholeheartedly-supports-apple-in-fbi-encryption-case/
"Speaking at a congressional hearing today, Microsoft President and Chief Legal Officer Brad Smith said that his company “wholeheartedly” supports Apple in the ongoing case that’s pitted the iPhone maker against the FBI.
“We at Microsoft support Apple and will be filing an amicus brief next week,” Smith said. An amicus brief is a “friend of the court” filing that allows parties not directly involved in the case to weigh in. Before today, Microsoft had offered only tepid support for Apple, but now it’s getting behind the company in a big way."
They're good at twisting words.You must have missed the next day's news reports where Bill Gates came out and said the media did not accurately represent his stance and that he did side with what Apple was doing. He also strong feels that it needs to be decided by Congress and the President with new legislation.
Gee how like the main press to try to put out misleading headlines on news stories.
For those that say well the GOVTos code would be safe at Apple, don't forget that people could be blackmailed into sharing how to write the code through a number of means and people also have sold out their country by selling secrets. ....
I did a bit of fun earlier.
I put MSNBC, CNN, and FOX on the same screen and watched them (CC works well).
Same topic - this one - and they were all saying it differently. The difference between them was astounding
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Entertaining even![]()
Nobody is at all concerned about the dead terrorists right to privacy. Read some of the stories here and learn about the issues. This case has nothing at all to do with privacy for the owner of this phone. The owner of this phone wants it unlocked.Please elaborate on this 'Constitutional' right to privacy.
Do you have a right to privacy in a safety deposit box?
Do you have an absolute right to privacy for your banking records?
No you say? Why are any of these scenarios different?
Banks help law enforcement with safety deposit boxes and bank record requests all the time with a court order.
Well then. The right to privacy is irrelevant here because
A) There is a court order
B) The actor is dead
Steve Jobs would be fighting this if he were still here today. Steve Jobs probably instilled a lot of courage and bravery into Tim Cook before his demise!
Banks help law enforcement with safety deposit boxes and bank record requests all the time with a court order.
I get that, I suppose... but it sounds like the code is something that would have to be the work of a team of engineers, and would take some time to get done; i.e., not something that a single individual could just be blackmailed or bribed into easily "recreating" later? (Or, if an individual could do it, then why couldn't a former or current Apple coder be blackmailed/bribed right now into writing this code from scratch?)
I completely get why Apple doesn't want to do it, I just don't see why it's so certain that the code could "escape" or be recreated once it's been written once.
If this GOVTos isn't safe at Apple HQ, then how are the signing keys Apple uses to digitally sign iOS safe then? Those signing keys exist right now.
Please elaborate on this 'Constitutional' right to privacy.
Do you have a right to privacy in a safety deposit box?
Do you have an absolute right to privacy for your banking records?
No you say? Why are any of these scenarios different?
Banks help law enforcement with safety deposit boxes and bank record requests all the time with a court order.
Not to mention they have to go through the proper channels to get warrants for those other things.Law enforcement getting a warrant for your bank records or access to your safety deposit box doesn't put others' privacy, safety, and security at risk. Building software to bypass iOS security measures does. That's the difference.
You don't put 700+ million users at risk just to search a few phones.
Law enforcement getting a warrant for your bank records or access to your safety deposit box doesn't put others' privacy, safety, and security at risk. Building software to bypass iOS security measures does. That's the difference.
You don't put 700+ million users at risk just to search a few phones.
I'm glad other people saw right through that terrible analogy.Not to mention they have to go through the proper channels to get warrants for those other things.
And the person I was replying to said we had weak gun laws...Oh, it's just *that* easy huh? In this political climate, good luck getting that trifecta! The FBI has better chances to crack that iPhone...
I believe technically Apple will be in violation of the court order regardless of their filing of the motion. God save the judge.Does anyone know if filing this suspends their alleged obligation to cooperate with the FBI. In other words, will this get the FBI off their back and everything is put on hold until this is settled in court?
Hope Lucy Koh is involved. Lmao
I stand with Apple as well!I Stand With Apple!
Man ... watching the Republican debate is irritating when the Apple questions come up. None of them have any freaking idea what they're talking about. The media is really twisting this in the favor of the FBI by giving false information regarding the actual problem at hand.
The point being argued is that Apple is refusing to give the FBI the data on the phone ... which they aren't ... because they can't. The issue is what the FBI is asking Apple to do ... which has been explained to death already so I'm not going to bother. Seriously ... read something in here.And the actual problem at hand is? I think that people are ignoring the "actual issue" and this has become all about the "what if" scenario and conspiracy theories.
Heck both sides are talking as they are saving our way of life......whatever the outcome . Lots of BS flying from both sides.
Man ... watching the Republican debate is irritating when the Apple questions come up. None of them have any freaking idea what they're talking about. The media is really twisting this in the favor of the FBI by giving false information regarding the actual problem at hand.