Apple forgetting the A6 devices

[newellj]

At least it's not an android device. In that case, support probably would have stopped after then 10th month

I have owned quite a lot of Android tablets and phones and I don't recall one of the ****ing things being supported for more than six months. I may be mis-remembering but your point is right on target.

 

[canesalato]

This was a general statement. If you will notice I pointed out Siri on the iPhone 4 which was part of the beta.

Siri on the iPhone 4 was part of which beta? You mean iOS4? No it wasn't...maybe I didn't get what you wanted to say...

If you can do multitasking I'll bet it can run split screen...

Unfortunatly iPad Air is very bad at multitasking: tabs reload constantly and apps too. They are crazily kicked out of memory, because memory is so limited.
I'm not guessing: Anandtech tests confirmed that it would be an awful experience. Check this out:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9605/the-ios-9-review/8

 

[newellj]

My iPad 4 runs an A6X chip, it's not that old and its fast and fluid, games don't lag on Apple devices except for some A5 devices, my iPhone 4 graphics are not that bad, I noticed that Apple is starting to leave those devices which kinda bothers me, most A5 devices got the longest support for iOS and games and apps, A6 devices run iOS 9 fluidly. I suddenly find some apps and games that only support a7 and later especially after iOS 9 release, so it bothers me that a small bit of apps and games are not supported on my iPad, iPads are expensive devices and they should get the right treatment at least for 6 years, my iPad still didn't make it to 3 years. They are not going to force me to buy the air and air 2 cause both of them are stupid light weight fake iPads. My iPad still works and should get the right treatment.

Mobil tech evolves at a rate that makes six years a pipe dream. Even laptops and desktops are going to feel old six years from purchase. The fact that your iPad 4 is showing some age is not a conspiracy, and it's not directly at you personally.

 

[JT2002TJ]

Siri on the iPhone 4 was part of which beta? You mean iOS4? No it wasn't...maybe I didn't get what you wanted to say...

See link:
http://9to5mac.com/2011/11/07/yes-a...one-4-and-other-devices-but-it-means-nothing/

Unfortunatly iPad Air is very bad at multitasking: tabs reload constantly and apps too. They are crazily kicked out of memory, because memory is so limited.
I'm not guessing: Anandtech tests confirmed that it would be an awful experience. Check this out:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9605/the-ios-9-review/8

These tests are all based on current code. The point I am making is, if Apple really cared about the sustainability of their products, they would have coded the OS' to run smoother on older devices. This alone may have made the issue of reloading with 1 GB of ram a moot issue. But we will never know, because Apple is also in the business of selling hardware.

 

[east85]

Honestly, if you're unhappy with the device either change companies or upgrade. Complaining about it here isn't going to change anything. It's not even like you're putting in a complaint with Apple.

 

[JT2002TJ]

Honestly, if you're unhappy with the device either change companies or upgrade. Complaining about it here isn't going to change anything. It's not even like you're putting in a complaint with Apple.

Do you really think this is how things should work? Perhaps people like Apple, and like their products, but differ on their practices...

What kind of world would we live in if people aren't allowed to disagree, and verbalized it.

 

[canesalato]

See link:
http://9to5mac.com/2011/11/07/yes-a...one-4-and-other-devices-but-it-means-nothing/



These tests are all based on current code. The point I am making is, if Apple really cared about the sustainability of their products, they would have coded the OS' to run smoother on older devices. This alone may have made the issue of reloading with 1 GB of ram a moot issue. But we will never know, because Apple is also in the business of selling hardware.

Well, I think in part you are right...but at the same time i think 1 Gb with iOS, a 64 bit processor and a 2048x1500 display is really pushing it. Look at the Android market, they go with 3 Gb of RAM. Optimizing is good but you can do it until a certain point, after that you spend a lot of time and you get little. And for what? You sell less hardware. If I would complain about something I would complain about the iPad Air, it was a huge disappointment. They knew the A7 was RAM hungry, they knew multitasking was planned, yet they cheaped out on RAM. That was greedy and sucked. At the time I returned the Air because performance was too bad even on iOS 7.0 (crashes, reboots, app/tabs reload). It sucks for those that have trusted Apple on this and it's a lesson: Apple doesn't always think about costumers first. Margins come first (think about 16gb iPhones).

 

[lagwagon]

iOS support for older devices is nearly 100% for security updates and never for features. If you want the latest features you need to upgrade, that's how everything (not just Apple or tech) in life works.

Technology right now is advancing at a much faster rate than ever before, to expect software today to last as long as software in the 90's did is unrealistic.

 

[JT2002TJ]

Well, I think in part you are right...but at the same time i think 1 Gb with iOS, a 64 bit processor and a 2048x1500 display is really pushing it. Look at the Android market, they go with 3 Gb of RAM. Optimizing is good but you can do it until a certain point, after that you spend a lot of time and you get little. And for what? You sell less hardware. If I would complain about something I would complain about the iPad Air, it was a huge disappointment. They knew the A7 was RAM hungry, they knew multitasking was planned, yet they cheaped out on RAM. That was greedy and sucked. At the time I returned the Air because performance was too bad even on iOS 7.0 (crashes, reboots, app/tabs reload). It sucks for those that have trusted Apple on this and it's a lesson: Apple doesn't always think about costumers first. Margins come first (think about 16gb iPhones).

Careful... You might get everyone against you by saying Apple isn't perfect.

I have been let down since Google had voice guidance on the 4, and turned it off with their GPS app. I still have a 4 that I use on my motorcycle as a gps and music player. I use google maps for turn by turn directions. Should we accept that Apple says the hardware can't handle it, when clearly it can (if Google can do it with their app)?

I still like Apple and their products, I just don't agree with purposely forgetting about devises that are 2 years old (iPad Air). We can all agree that iOS 9 needs some work, perhaps they need to focus on stability of older devices, over new features at the expense of making everything not to the usual Apple standards. There past 3 OS' have proven to be very lacking on initial release.

 

[JT2002TJ]

iOS support for older devices is nearly 100% for security updates and never for features. If you want the latest features you need to upgrade, that's how everything (not just Apple or tech) in life works.

Technology right now is advancing at a much faster rate than ever before, to expect software today to last as long as software in the 90's did is unrealistic.

Actually, the rate of increase was far faster in the 90's. Processors were more than doubling in speed every year, now you just don't see that anymore. I get that new hardware features don't just magically appear in older devices, I don't see anyone complaining about not having force touch on a device that never came with it. The compliant is about software features that could work, but Apple decided to prevent, probably to push people to buy newer hardware.

It is unacceptable that an iPad Air (2 years old) doesn't get features that are are not dependent on new hardware (such as forced touch, finger print sensor...). And again, I'm sure if they focused on not bloating their code, they could find a way to make split screen function on even an air.

 

[newellj]

Do you really think this is how things should work? Perhaps people like Apple, and like their products, but differ on their practices...

What kind of world would we live in if people aren't allowed to disagree, and verbalized it.

Fair enough, but the other side of that is that we can't realistically expect everything to go our way all the time. Our friends, kids and spouses often fail to conform to our preferences, so it's not a shock when a commercial enterprise doesn't.

 

[PsykX]

Honestly iOS 9 runs great on my iPhone 5. Better than iOS 8 ever did.

However, when I run games using Apple's own SpriteKit engine, like MINE, it's where things get messy. It's slow. It crashes. And there are bugs that are really hard to defend. It seems like someone intentionally broke it.

 

[lagwagon]

Actually, the rate of increase was far faster in the 90's. Processors were more than doubling in speed every year, now you just don't see that anymore. I get that new hardware features don't just magically appear in older devices, I don't see anyone complaining about not having force touch on a device that never came with it. The compliant is about software features that could work, but Apple decided to prevent, probably to push people to buy newer hardware.

It is unacceptable that an iPad Air (2 years old) doesn't get features that are are not dependent on new hardware (such as forced touch, finger print sensor...). And again, I'm sure if they focused on not bloating their code, they could find a way to make split screen function on even an air.

I wasn't talking about how big advancements were. I said the rate it's moving it a lot faster now. Besides you can't compare full fledge computer tech of yesteryear to today's smartphone tech. Smartphones are just about doubling up speed every year where computers have slowed down a lot.

What are these software features Apple is "purposely" leaving out? The OP complained about new games. Well that's because they are coded for Metal, which is 64bit only. People mentioned Split Screen, well more than 1gb is required to run at an acceptable level. So many people complain about the current Control Centre dropping frames, I can only imagine the outcry if Split Screen was allowed on 1gb of ram.

 

[danleon950410]

Fake, stupid, light weight iPad Air 2?

The iPad Air 2 is one of the most powerful devices Apple sells. It's an excellent device.

Every new iPad that Apple sells is the most powerful device...for some time, 'till the newest one is launched.
So sit down on that one...

 

[danleon950410]

Welcome to the fast moving world of technology. Adapt or continue to be stubborn.

Nice answer. Helpful? Not at all. Disrespectful? Of course. Under that logic, why does this forum even exist?

 

[danleon950410]

Some 3rd party Apps don't work on your iPad and that is Apples fault?

If they worked on previous iOS versions, and Apple gives zero-to-no time for developers to adapt them, and keeps changing core APIs between versions...well, what do you think?

The iPad air 2 runs circles around your iPad 4. There is no comparison here.

That's a fact, but still, not an excuse.

 

[danleon950410]

I don't think it's fair to put the blame on Apple just because third-party developers aren't supporting the A6. It isn't like Apple dropped support for the A6 in iOS 9... While I do hope that the A6 gets the same support span as the A5, it's also necessary to drop older architectures such as 32-bit chips in order to keep improving iOS.

Bear in mind that the A6 (iOS 6-9) has currently got the same iOS lifespan support as your iPhone 4 (iOS 4-7) and you've managed to get a newer iPhone just fine. Also like you've said, your iPad still works fine. No ones forcing you to get a newer one.

Not even 32-bit architectured and obviously-more-powerful PCs are being dropped to this point. That would be a huge losss regarding numbers in the market.

 

[scjr]

Every new iPad that Apple sells is the most powerful device...for some time, 'till the newest one is launched.
So sit down on that one...

OP calls the iPad Air and iPad Air 2 stupid fakes and I should sit down on that one? Haha!

We have 2 iPad 4's in our family and we aren't complaining a bit. Chill and read first post more carefully.

 

[C DM]

Nice answer. Helpful? Not at all. Disrespectful? Of course. Under that logic, why does this forum even exist?

What answer would be helpful really? None of us here can do anything about what Apple does or decides to do, so even a reply that has the most agreement possible in it would still not help with anything ultimately.

 

[danleon950410]

The A6 may be much more powerful than the A5 but the only way to drop A5 support is to block all 32-bit devices. Blame the A5 chip. (Which A6 gets grouped with) A6 is still quite good.

That's wrong. The long support for the A5 is due to the fact that the iPad Mini was sold in 2012. Apple tends to give 4 OS versions to his devices.

 

[scjr]

Nice answer. Helpful? Not at all. Disrespectful? Of course. Under that logic, why does this forum even exist?

What would you recommend? Should he open up his iPad 4, install a powerful new processor and add more ram? If the tablet no longer meets his needs, he needs to buy a new one. Lagwagon's post is spot on.

 

[danleon950410]

What answer would be helpful really? None of us here can do anything about what Apple does or decides to do, so even a reply that has the most agreement possible in it would still not help with anything ultimately.

That excuses the "helpful", not "disrespectful". But in terms of answering, if you received an answer like "Oh buy a new one, you're behind, you're poor", would you like that or wouldn't you prefer people to keep shut for good?

 

[C DM]

That excuses the "helpful", not "disrespectful". But in terms of answering, if you received an answer like "Oh buy a new one, you're behind, you're poor", would you like that or wouldn't you prefer people to keep shut for good?

I'm not sure what what you provided as an example of an answer corresponds to what was provided. It might have been more direct/terse than friendly, but hardly disrespectful.

 

[scjr]

That excuses the "helpful", not "disrespectful". But in terms of answering, if you received an answer like "Oh buy a new one, you're behind, you're poor", would you like that or wouldn't you prefer people to keep shut for good?

Since you're in the helping mood.

What do you recommend, that will help the OP speed up his iPad 4 to function properly with all the latest and greatest processor and ram intensive apps/games? Waiting for your "helpful" answer.

 

[danleon950410]

What would you recommend? Should he open up his iPad 4, install a powerful new processor and add more ram? If the tablet no longer meets his needs, he needs to buy a new one. Lagwagon's post is spot on.

Should he keep his answer out of the replying box, i think. As George says, iPads are expensive devices, the last thing we need is someone saying "So you don't have any money?".

If you know something about performance, you may have noticed that you kind-of-lost the fight when you mentionted RAM, that holds the key on the piece that doesn't fit the puzzle.