iPad Pro Apple has given up on the iPad

[Slartibart]

Apple needed to plug a hole, someone was leaking Apple ideas, Apple needed something to lure the offender out, and they needed something juicy, no one would buy the VisionPro, that just seemed a bit too radical, it makes sense that if you are trying to find someone who is leaking secrets, use something that a lot of folks will buy as valid, fcp for ipad, a month before WWDC, Apple had to act and act in a way that sent a message, but they had to do it before WWDC, to give them time to re-edit WWDC keynote, this is the only thing that makes sense as to the sudden on a Tuesday the announcement of fcp for ipad, then the leaker was found, a tweet from her brother confirming his insider knowledge, he had already leaked fcp for ipad, Apple had to follow through, and a feral useless version of FCP was published... No doubt this sting operation created a problem for the Keynote... It makes sense it would have been in the keynote, but now a hole in the timing.. VisionPro was always a product, it was a year away from being ready, so if this is true, Apple had only 2 products for 2023, excluding the 2023 macbook pro... So it really makes sense that VisionPro would have been 20minutes in the keynote, but was stretched to fill 40 minutes... the pantry was empty for the 1st 20 minutes of the last 40minutes of the keynote..

 

[JustinePaula]

That you take the time to respond in that way is ironic, the fact you responded with this sort of meme, shows a not so subtle hint you are in agreement, if not you would either do nothing, or respond to counter, the use of a meme is hilarious, thank you for taking the time to post...

 

[The point and shoot pro]

I am jealous that I am not smoking that right now! ha ha. Have to wait a few more hours before indulging. Legal here and wonderful. I have given up drinking where once you go past the point of no return you are useless, while having a puff every now and then just brings this sense of relax and calm. Much needed in todays world.

No hangovers is a great bonus too.

I digress. back to your regularly scheduled programming. Oh, and apple has not given up on the ipad. Not in the least. As a father of a child who has autism, I have seen first hand what technology (iPad) can do. He is 16 now and on his 4th ipad. They are amazing for people like my son!

 

[Slartibart]

That you take the time to respond in that way is ironic, the fact you responded with this sort of meme, shows a not so subtle hint you are in agreement, if not you would either do nothing, or respond to counter, the use of a meme is hilarious, thank you for taking the time to post...

*Ignore-button-click-sound*

 

[Enygmatic]

Apple hasn’t “forgotten about” or “abandoned” the iPad… Christ. The only people who state that (ad nauseam) are the ones who feel that the iPad isn’t useful UNLESS it’s some iPadOS/macOS hybrid, or fits THEIR specific workflow to perfection. To the latter, I’d offer: use the best tool for you and move on. If and when Apple removes Macs from their lineup and tell customers “this is our only computer offering - make it work; everything else is pointless”, THEN bring out the pitchforks. Millions of iPads are sold each year, and yes - many people are able to and DO use them as laptop replacements; more as workstation augmentation, likely.

So many people got cramps in their downvoting fingers when Apple had the “What’s a Computer” ad out, but the fact is that for many people, a laptop is simply a large window into the internet, and an iPad can be a superior computer in that regard. With the constantly improved hardware and what Apple Silicon is making possible, you’ll see more and more fully “Pro” apps as well. Now you’ve got a computer with power on par (more or less) with a laptop, the fastest WiFi connectivity, 5g cellular, built-in HD cameras, great battery life, and access to various accessories and peripherals. All at less than half the weight of the smallest MBA (not including accessories).

I know people who work on Mac Pros - $15-20k machines or more - who swear they can’t work off of a laptop solely, not even the MacBook Pro. Doesn’t make the laptop less “pro” - it’s just a bit of a different use case. Same thing with the iPad Pro. The more I use them, the less and less I find there are things that it just cannot do. Do differently or not as familiar? Definitely. Do not as well? Sometimes, sure. Not at all? Rare.

 

[The point and shoot pro]

Apple hasn’t “forgotten about” or “abandoned” the iPad… Christ. The only people who state that (ad nauseam) are the ones who feel that the iPad isn’t useful UNLESS it’s some iPadOS/macOS hybrid, or fits THEIR specific workflow to perfection. To the latter, I’d offer: use the best tool for you and move on. If and when Apple removes Macs from their lineup and tell customers “this is our only computer offering - make it work; everything else is pointless”, THEN bring out the pitchforks. Millions of iPads are sold each year, and yes - many people are able to and DO use them as laptop replacements; more as workstation augmentation, likely.

So many people got cramps in their downvoting fingers when Apple had the “What’s a Computer” ad out, but the fact is that for many people, a laptop is simply a large window into the internet, and an iPad can be a superior computer in that regard. With the constantly improved hardware and what Apple Silicon is making possible, you’ll see more and more fully “Pro” apps as well. Now you’ve got a computer with power on par (more or less) with a laptop, the fastest WiFi connectivity, 5g cellular, built-in HD cameras, great battery life, and access to various accessories and peripherals. All at less than half the weight of the smallest MBA (not including accessories).

I know people who work on Mac Pros - $15-20k machines or more - who swear they can’t work off of a laptop solely, not even the MacBook Pro. Doesn’t make the laptop less “pro” - it’s just a bit of a different use case. Same thing with the iPad Pro. The more I use them, the less and less I find there are things that it just cannot do. Do differently or not as familiar? Definitely. Do not as well? Sometimes, sure. Not at all? Rare.

You nailed it. I use everything when it comes to tech. Computers, various tablets/ipads, various phones, desktops, notebooks and more. I think everything has a use case and everything these days is quite good. There are no truly bad products out there anymore, besides maybe the Samsung A03S. that thing is a dog. Even the tcl 303 is a better device. But bad stuff is few and far between now.

 

[FeliApple]

Apple hasn’t “forgotten about” or “abandoned” the iPad… Christ. The only people who state that (ad nauseam) are the ones who feel that the iPad isn’t useful UNLESS it’s some iPadOS/macOS hybrid, or fits THEIR specific workflow to perfection. To the latter, I’d offer: use the best tool for you and move on. If and when Apple removes Macs from their lineup and tell customers “this is our only computer offering - make it work; everything else is pointless”, THEN bring out the pitchforks. Millions of iPads are sold each year, and yes - many people are able to and DO use them as laptop replacements; more as workstation augmentation, likely.

So many people got cramps in their downvoting fingers when Apple had the “What’s a Computer” ad out, but the fact is that for many people, a laptop is simply a large window into the internet, and an iPad can be a superior computer in that regard. With the constantly improved hardware and what Apple Silicon is making possible, you’ll see more and more fully “Pro” apps as well. Now you’ve got a computer with power on par (more or less) with a laptop, the fastest WiFi connectivity, 5g cellular, built-in HD cameras, great battery life, and access to various accessories and peripherals. All at less than half the weight of the smallest MBA (not including accessories).

I know people who work on Mac Pros - $15-20k machines or more - who swear they can’t work off of a laptop solely, not even the MacBook Pro. Doesn’t make the laptop less “pro” - it’s just a bit of a different use case. Same thing with the iPad Pro. The more I use them, the less and less I find there are things that it just cannot do. Do differently or not as familiar? Definitely. Do not as well? Sometimes, sure. Not at all? Rare.

What’s very funny is that those people still have iPads. They call the iPad useless ad nauseam... and they go and buy one.

 

[Username-already-in-use]

Apple needed to plug a hole, someone was leaking Apple ideas, Apple needed something to lure the offender out, and they needed something juicy, no one would buy the VisionPro, that just seemed a bit too radical, it makes sense that if you are trying to find someone who is leaking secrets, use something that a lot of folks will buy as valid, fcp for ipad, a month before WWDC, Apple had to act and act in a way that sent a message, but they had to do it before WWDC, to give them time to re-edit WWDC keynote, this is the only thing that makes sense as to the sudden on a Tuesday the announcement of fcp for ipad, then the leaker was found, a tweet from her brother confirming his insider knowledge, he had already leaked fcp for ipad, Apple had to follow through, and a feral useless version of FCP was published... No doubt this sting operation created a problem for the Keynote... It makes sense it would have been in the keynote, but now a hole in the timing.. VisionPro was always a product, it was a year away from being ready, so if this is true, Apple had only 2 products for 2023, excluding the 2023 macbook pro... So it really makes sense that VisionPro would have been 20minutes in the keynote, but was stretched to fill 40 minutes... the pantry was empty for the 1st 20 minutes of the last 40minutes of the keynote..

Apple weren’t forced to announce FCP for iPad at a time that wasn’t their choosing. Apple dropped the news of FCP/Logic at a time that was the most convenient for them.

Likewise Mark Gurman had reported months ago that the headset was coming, which was a Tim Cook decision.

 

[ish4y]

375: ‘No False Humidity’, With Jason Snell

Poddavsnitt · The Talk Show With John Gruber · 2023-05-23 · 2 tim 11 min

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Starting at 1:33:40

I just listened to the latest episode of The Talk Show With John Gruber where he had Jason Snell as a guest. They discussed why Apple released Final Cut Pro for iPad now all of a sudden and they went on to talk about the status of iPad in Apple’s lineup today.

They made some interesting points that I wanted to share and hear your thoughts on.

They talked about how everyone at Apple thought iPad was going phase out the Mac in mid 2010s, but when Apple silicon arrived on the Mac, it completely changed everything. The iPad is now basically just another product in Apple’s lineup and the Mac has taken the spot back as the second most important Apple product (after the iPhone, of course).

They also talked about how iPad as a product is not really “necessary” and that Apple doesn’t know what to do with the it. They compared the first 10 years of the Mac and the iPad and how stark the difference was. Gruber argues that the iPad has not changed computing at all compared to the Mac and iPhone.

Thoughts?

I have an 2022 12.9 iPad Pro, which my wife gifted me, a MacBook Pro 16" and iPhone and the iPad Pro is honestly the least essential device of the three. I would go as far to say that iPad Pro and the AirPods Max are the two least essential and most overpriced Apple products.

If I want to consume social media, music or browse the web, 10/10 times I just grab my iPhone 14 Pro Max because the entire world is optimised for mobile screens. The iPad takes the iPhone UI and just makes everything bigger which makes navigating the UI gruesome. It's a nightmare to type on the big iPad on-screen keyboard and the iPad is heavy as hell which means you can't hold it for long.

When it comes to the Mac, it's significantly better than the iPad in terms of multitasking, browsing the web and you have access to desktop Chrome because the world is optimised for Chrome. Then the Mac has significantly better battery life, less Mini-LED blooming, less bugs, better apps.

I would honestly only recommend the iPad Pro to people who have a lot of disposable income to burn and you have a job that makes use of annotating PDF's and note-taking. I'm studying at University and I know a lot of people who use iPads and I've never seen a person be more productive than a typical laptop. I guess the tablets in general is a mystery to me...

I’ve only seen one person at my university use an iPad Pro with Magic Keyboard. Everyone else uses the MacBook Air. I found mine to be heavy to lug around during lectures, so I tried switching to the iPad (9th generation).

It was a horrible experience multitasking on that cramped 10.2-inch display and the mobile apps I use at university were buggier than their properly developed desktop counterparts. Zotero couldn’t even help me cite an academic source without lagging. I don’t use mine for serious workflows anymore.

To me, the iPad still hasn’t matured enough to take on computers. Its best use case remains entertainment, note-taking and drawing. I rarely switch out my Smart Cover for the Smart Keyboard, unless I want to write an e-mail or a screenplay.

Also, macOS apps get supported even after Apple stops updating the operating system. The iPad remains a locked-down mobile operating system with a desktop-class chip that needs to be replaced after five years. People hold onto their Macs for DECADES. An iPad doesn’t have the same future.

For work, almost everyone is better off buying a Mac (unless you’re an artist or NEED utmost portability). I also find it funny how much you have to shell out for accessories to turn a tablet into a half-decent computer.

 

[Ctrlos]

I’ve only seen one person at my university use an iPad Pro with Magic Keyboard. Everyone else uses the MacBook Air. I found mine to be heavy to lug around during lectures, so I tried switching to the iPad (9th generation).

It was a horrible experience multitasking on that cramped 10.2-inch display and the mobile apps I use at university were buggier than their properly developed desktop counterparts. Zotero couldn’t even help me cite an academic source without lagging. I don’t use mine for serious workflows anymore.

To me, the iPad still hasn’t matured enough to take on computers. Its best use case remains entertainment, note-taking and drawing. I rarely switch out my Smart Cover for the Smart Keyboard, unless I want to write an e-mail or a screenplay.

Also, macOS apps get supported even after Apple stops updating the operating system. The iPad remains a locked-down mobile operating system with a desktop-class chip that needs to be replaced after five years. People hold onto their Macs for DECADES. An iPad doesn’t have the same future.

For work, almost everyone is better off buying a Mac (unless you’re an artist or NEED utmost portability).

The reason I have an iPad Pro as my work computer is the amount of tech baked in. I will admit my usage case is quite niche but all the same my workflow on one day might be LiDAR scanning an object, processing it in Shapr3D and then exporting for 3D Printing. I might need to scan a site and then take measurements from it for some sketches to then draw up in Shapr3D for AutoCAD processing later on.

If I need to record an experiment I can do it on device, at fixed focus in 4K and edit the footage for uploading and sharing. I can livestream the same experiment via AirPlay directly to the lab TV so people don’t have to surround the apparatus so much. The mic array is good enough for recording audio voiceovers for tutorials and I can create some soft backing music to go with it.

I might need to photograph a project and then annotate straight over the top for feedback.

I can also use it for general computing tasks like writing, playing Gamepass on a larger display in a hotel via HDMI and play all my iOS games.

I can do all this with a Macbook Air and lots of expensive gubbins of course. But having everything in one device is very convenient.

 

[erasr]

Hadn’t used my iPad Pro for a year, maybe year and a half.

Recently subscribed to YouTube Premium (awesome, would recommend), and started watching more Apple TV stuff.

My iPhone 14 Plus is great but I randomly picked up the iPad 4 nights ago and started watching YouTube / Apple TV on that.

Totally forgot how much better it is vs iPhone. Especially in bed.

I don’t want to use my MBA M2 because I take that to work, it’s in my work bag and weirdly it feels ‘dirty’ having it in bed, haha.

So that’s where the iPad comes in.

Yes, it’s a luxury product, I’ve barely used it after the first year of ownership, but force yourself and it is easily a better video consuming device than iPhone.

Also finding browsing clothes and news far easier, bigger screen, easier to view stuff.

My friend has the bigger iPad, I’m now tempted to get that.

 

[teh_hunterer]

I don’t want to use my MBA M2 because I take that to work, it’s in my work bag and weirdly it feels ‘dirty’ having it in bed, haha.

That sounds absolutely ridiculous. And yet, I must admit, it's exactly what I feel as well. The iPad just feels more appropriate for bed. And for general couch use.

 

[JustinePaula]

What they discussed is extremely relevant and very much what I have been thinking, from the day I bought my ipad in New Hampshire in 2013, I loved it, it was for me the ideal size, it did exactly what I needed it to do, it had a great look, ok, the audio with the stereo speakers on one side, really, why?? But ok, it was a viable device apart from the confusing audio speaker arrangement...

But very quickly I sort of went, what the ruck... There is a larger problem here, the way you have to struggle to load media, through itunes, not reliable with airdrop, it sort of felt to me that it was incomplete, that the ideas they had were misunderstood by management, and some compromise was made...

The lack of ports, the locking out at ios935, not allowing some sort of upgrading to make it somewhat viable, ruined my experience with Apple, but the ipad is just one in a long line of what could/should have been winners...The Macbook Pro should have been upgrade-able, as should the ipad, so that as it is so expensive, not everyone can afford to replace every couple of years...

The ipad has suffered from development, there was no break out app, then all of a sardine, one Tuesday in the middle of a mild May, fcp for the ipad.. Not weeks before the WWDC 2023 event...

Was the announcement of fcp for ipad a result of leakers being sought/flushed out or there was a greater plan, I suspect it was to flush out a leaker, as the WWDC 2023 keynote felt as if it was highly edited, it felt just not right..

Apple has been very confused since the moment it switched from motorola to Intel, that launced the whole MAC range, at first the laptops made sense, plastic for the schools/mobile users, and the PRO for creatives, as mentioned in the podcast, by the mid 2000's Apple was the only device you used for professional creative work, publishing, audio/video, Mac the way..

Steve Jobs passed away, Tim Cook replaced him, along with Jony Ive, and this is where I think Apple really went a bit sideways and fast, I have no way to prove this, but it sure feels like Jony Ive for whatever reason, planted the seed for Apple's confusion, but the swap from plastic Macbook to the Air, this sort of made sense, lighter than the pro, soldered in SSD/RAM, ok, makes perfect sense, the PRO, was able to be repaired/upgraded...

Then all laptops, AIR, PRO, became the same device, with very little to distinguish them, the ipad and the ipad pro, the same, no new ports, no features separating them, one from another, but yet we are expected to know..

Along with very sus practice of hiding upgrades, the PRO, you only get x amount of RAM if you buy a certain size SSD installed ipad, that is very sus, why not allow for purchase at the low end, let folks pay for the upgrade, dual income, 1-purchase of device, 2-upgrading...

The biggest issue is the OS, the lack of ports, the really messy fiddly way of getting media to and from the ipad, in 13 yrs and counting, this has yet to be fixed, it should really in 2023, be a simple case of switching on/unlocking the ipad/ipad pro, regardless of bluetooth, if the ipad is on the same network wifi that is, it should "mount" as a drive, on windows and macs, drag and drop, if you want the bonus of extra security, you can use an app that uses airdrop, 2023 is 64bit...Really????? Apple...

 

[RevTEG]

So much of this debate comes down to workflow habits. If you "grew up" using a laptop/MacBook then that's the workflow YOU are most likely to prefer. My kids grew up with iPads. The iPad is their learned preferred workflow for school to entertainment. Neither are wrong. It's pretty silly to defend ones preference when its just a preference. I run a small international relief organization. I could easily argue, until the MacBook gets built in cellular and a rear facing camera that its useless to me. I certainly can't go live with a rear facing camera showing typhoon damage and relief needs from my MacBook, then jump on a Zoom call with donor agencies from a screen large enough to see on. All from cellular. No second device hotspot needed. I can and have done all of that from a cellular iPad. Will be doing it again this week in the Philippines. BUT I wouldn't come on a forum and argue that YOUR MacBook preference makes the MacBook useless. That's foolish thinking.

 

[teh_hunterer]

Was the announcement of fcp for ipad a result of leakers being sought/flushed out or there was a greater plan, I suspect it was to flush out a leaker, as the WWDC 2023 keynote felt as if it was highly edited, it felt just not right..

You think the richest company in the world released multiple apps to "flush out a leaker"? I don't even know where to start with this.

 

[JustinePaula]

Apple busts prolific Twitter leaker Analyst941 just weeks before WWDC

A source of many recent leaks has been found out, and jobs lost, in an apparent sting operation.

www.macworld.com

This was my first hint of something sus about the launch, and it sort of fits the whole WWDC was dodge and the stupid vision pro that was just way too long as a segment within the whole keynote.. Anyway.. make of it as you wish...

 

[ericwn]

Apple busts prolific Twitter leaker Analyst941 just weeks before WWDC

A source of many recent leaks has been found out, and jobs lost, in an apparent sting operation.

www.macworld.com

This was my first hint of something sus about the launch, and it sort of fits the whole WWDC was dodge and the stupid vision pro that was just way too long as a segment within the whole keynote.. Anyway.. make of it as you wish...

We shall. I deem it a work of fan fiction. But this place attract hot air, so why not. Apple released a major product and the keynote is too long to my liking so there must be something behind the scenes going on. Totally.

 

[threesixty360]

Always reminds me of the "no one reads books" thing that Jobs said. Or the fact that Apple ignored gaming as they Steve just didn't think gaming was a good use of time or something. Yet both these things are huge and just because you dont do them doesn't mean they are not valid experiences.

I just dont understand why the first thing anyone says when putting down the iPad is that their Mac does things better. But it does what what YOU want to do better, that is not necessarily what everyone else wants to do!

Can you hold your MacBook Air with one hand and read a cookery recipe on it and not worry about spilling liquid over it whilst cooking? Can you take your MacBook Air to sport field and draw a play on it and pass it around to your team members?
Can you physically play a synthesiser on it, moving multiple faders and knobs with it?
Can you hand write notes on it? Can you make its screen represent physical buttons and operate them?

The iPad can do all those "non desktop" things and still do Office/word and many other productivity tasks as well.
It's basically an all round computing device. The family car vs the SUV/Utility truck.

An thats why it sells millions. Most people who have them dont even consider them to be computers in the way that laptop owners see it.

The funny thing is there are reports saying that Apple will replace windows in the Enterprise over the next decade or so and the reason they're saying that is because of their mobile devices: iPads and iPhones.
I see lots of iPads in my office. They are used more and more. Things like MS Teams etc are actually more reliable on iPads and iPads are more secure systems in terms of security and retrieval of data.

There are so many reasons to use them, not just one killer reason.

And finally the iPad Pro exists, because people buy them! If no one bought them they wouldn't make them. So I dont really get all the fuss over this. It's mad because kept saying they need pro apps, first Office, then Photoshop, then Logic and Final Cut Pro. Now they have it all (and Resolve!) and they still want the machine to die. What's wrong with you people!! its insane.

 

[darngooddesign]

...Then all laptops, AIR, PRO, became the same device, with very little to distinguish them,

Even if you don't know about CPU, RAM, and SSD differences, the 13" MBA has always been smaller and lighter than its equivalent MBP. Its a very obvious and apparent difference.

the ipad and the ipad pro, the same, no new ports, no features separating them, one from another, but yet we are expected to know..

The iPad Pro has best processor, screen, speakers, fastest USB-C, and largest SSD options. If a person doesn't know what the differences are between the Pros and the lesser iPads there area huge variety of places to get info (forums, reviews, videos, an Apple Store employee, or chat on Apple's site).

The only people who don't understand the differences between Apple's devices are those who refuse to do even the most basic research.