iPad Pro Apple has given up on the iPad

[JustinePaula]

So far no one has been able to really give a great reason for Apple not at least given at least 10% effort, that visionpro was by all indications was for a a very niche market , as mentioned, a F1 team, if they use it, great, but the results in 2023 for that team, not at all a great advert for the visionpro, almost a hindrance than an aid to development...

The ipad should have been akin to the 1st generation of mac laptops, the "ipad" = macbook, in that it was what you got, basic, low rent, and then later 2 versions, ipad=basic, and the ipad pro, lux, elite, platinum, advanced, turbo, studio, a long list of names for an ipad that had a bit more features, maybe an SD Card, for the middle of the road ipad x, then a different card reader and better battery, RAM for the top of the range, ipad x..

That would have shown some sort of long term planning, of considering the various use cases of the ipad.. Apple does not do business that way, Apple does as it pleases, regardless of the damage.. FCP studio/7 case in point, after a long term commitment to the product, Apple went dark, 7, then 7.0.3, then nothing... Then X, and that debacle, and we are still waiting for the basics of 7 to be re-implemented, basic functions that seem obvious are missing...

90% of folks will never realize what they are missing from the ipad, as they use it as a media player, e book reader, light email reader... But it is the 10% that really need power so called "power users" [I hate the term, does not mean anything useful..] that require more from the device and are left frustrated as it seems so obvious that why not...

Am I the only one that is frustrated at the what might have been, had only but for... ???

 

[ericwn]

So far no one has been able to really give a great reason for Apple not at least given at least 10% effort, that visionpro was by all indications was for a a very niche market , as mentioned, a F1 team, if they use it, great, but the results in 2023 for that team, not at all a great advert for the visionpro, almost a hindrance than an aid to development...

The ipad should have been akin to the 1st generation of mac laptops, the "ipad" = macbook, in that it was what you got, basic, low rent, and then later 2 versions, ipad=basic, and the ipad pro, lux, elite, platinum, advanced, turbo, studio, a long list of names for an ipad that had a bit more features, maybe an SD Card, for the middle of the road ipad x, then a different card reader and better battery, RAM for the top of the range, ipad x..

That would have shown some sort of long term planning, of considering the various use cases of the ipad.. Apple does not do business that way, Apple does as it pleases, regardless of the damage.. FCP studio/7 case in point, after a long term commitment to the product, Apple went dark, 7, then 7.0.3, then nothing... Then X, and that debacle, and we are still waiting for the basics of 7 to be re-implemented, basic functions that seem obvious are missing...

90% of folks will never realize what they are missing from the ipad, as they use it as a media player, e book reader, light email reader... But it is the 10% that really need power so called "power users" [I hate the term, does not mean anything useful..] that require more from the device and are left frustrated as it seems so obvious that why not...

Am I the only one that is frustrated at the what might have been, had only but for... ???

You did read post 199, right?

 

[ericwn]

We’re 13 years in, I expect iPad to only slowly evolve from here. Apple’s focus will shift to the VisionPro product as the next big thing.

 

[sparksd]

So far no one has been able to really give a great reason for Apple not at least given at least 10% effort, that visionpro was by all indications was for a a very niche market , as mentioned, a F1 team, if they use it, great, but the results in 2023 for that team, not at all a great advert for the visionpro, almost a hindrance than an aid to development...

The ipad should have been akin to the 1st generation of mac laptops, the "ipad" = macbook, in that it was what you got, basic, low rent, and then later 2 versions, ipad=basic, and the ipad pro, lux, elite, platinum, advanced, turbo, studio, a long list of names for an ipad that had a bit more features, maybe an SD Card, for the middle of the road ipad x, then a different card reader and better battery, RAM for the top of the range, ipad x..

That would have shown some sort of long term planning, of considering the various use cases of the ipad.. Apple does not do business that way, Apple does as it pleases, regardless of the damage.. FCP studio/7 case in point, after a long term commitment to the product, Apple went dark, 7, then 7.0.3, then nothing... Then X, and that debacle, and we are still waiting for the basics of 7 to be re-implemented, basic functions that seem obvious are missing...

90% of folks will never realize what they are missing from the ipad, as they use it as a media player, e book reader, light email reader... But it is the 10% that really need power so called "power users" [I hate the term, does not mean anything useful..] that require more from the device and are left frustrated as it seems so obvious that why not...

Am I the only one that is frustrated at the what might have been, had only but for... ???

If 90% of users are satisfied, then I'm sure Apple is satisfied with their direction. Spend big $ on trying to satisfy a 10% that will likely never be satisfied? Doubtful business strategy.

 

[SB1500]

I don't think Apple have given up. I think the rate of innovation has slowed down - as it also has for the iPhone - and did a long time ago for the Mac too, I'd say 2012 onwards it's been modest, incremental improvements.

I think it's good. Otherwise we'd have iPhones like Samsung models with a tonne of half baked, ticking every category features like two-way charging, which never grew out of that early initial impractical / inefficient stage and has just faded into obscurity. How many 'I'm leaving the iPhone for 2 way charging' posts have you read here? The same is true with the iPad.

Whilst I'd love to see them come down in price and creep a little faster along in keeping up with the Mac for most uses to average everyday users, it hasn't been standing still. It's become a better tablet if not a better Mac replacement. Scribble, the latest PDF editing software updates coming, the flexibility with widgets and more personalisation. What more can we really ask for?

I also don't think Vision Pro is going to replace all our Macs and iPads and iPhones (even less so than the iPad has replaced our Macs for most). But, how can you be mad at Apple for allocating huge resources to a new product category? Imagine how poorly posts would age of people complaining how the iPhone stole resources and focus away from the iPod...

 

[Username-already-in-use]

I’m mad about the iPad Air naming convention, until Big Tim stops holding back the iPad and allows it to work as an oxygen tank, then sorry but Apple needs to change the name.

 

[darngooddesign]

I’m mad about the iPad Air naming convention, until Big Tim stops holding back the iPad and allows it to work as an oxygen tank, then sorry but Apple needs to change the name.

Everyone makes that mistake, you’re supposed to say it like a pirate would.

 

[Mr.Scarface]

LOL. No company will "give up" on a product they sell 60-70 million units a year at ATLEAST $300 US dollars, going up up to more than $1200 per year.

 

[teh_hunterer]

So far no one has been able to really give a great reason for Apple not at least given at least 10% effort, that visionpro was by all indications was for a a very niche market , as mentioned, a F1 team, if they use it, great, but the results in 2023 for that team, not at all a great advert for the visionpro, almost a hindrance than an aid to development...

The ipad should have been akin to the 1st generation of mac laptops, the "ipad" = macbook, in that it was what you got, basic, low rent, and then later 2 versions, ipad=basic, and the ipad pro, lux, elite, platinum, advanced, turbo, studio, a long list of names for an ipad that had a bit more features, maybe an SD Card, for the middle of the road ipad x, then a different card reader and better battery, RAM for the top of the range, ipad x..

That would have shown some sort of long term planning, of considering the various use cases of the ipad.. Apple does not do business that way, Apple does as it pleases, regardless of the damage.. FCP studio/7 case in point, after a long term commitment to the product, Apple went dark, 7, then 7.0.3, then nothing... Then X, and that debacle, and we are still waiting for the basics of 7 to be re-implemented, basic functions that seem obvious are missing...

90% of folks will never realize what they are missing from the ipad, as they use it as a media player, e book reader, light email reader... But it is the 10% that really need power so called "power users" [I hate the term, does not mean anything useful..] that require more from the device and are left frustrated as it seems so obvious that why not...

Am I the only one that is frustrated at the what might have been, had only but for... ???

Am I the only one who can't make sense of your posts? I'm trying but I just don't know what your point is.

 

[The Game 161]

We’re 13 years in, I expect iPad to only slowly evolve from here. Apple’s focus will shift to the VisionPro product as the next big thing.

yep long term that and the glasses will be apples focus over the next 5-10 years

 

[Ludatyk]

yep long term that and the glasses will be apples focus over the next 5-10 years

Yup, but you could say that the same thing about each product category... the iPad shouldn't be singled out. If anything one product category that might see greatly adjusted is Apple Displays... why buy monitor(s) when I can use VisionPro to display content over top my MBP?

 

[sparksd]

Yup, but you could say that the same thing about each product category... the iPad shouldn't be singled out. If anything one product category that might see greatly adjusted is Apple Displays... why buy monitor(s) when I can use VisionPro to display content over top my MBP?

I personally couldn't see myself wanting to use them in lieu of a monitor. I purposefully set my workspaces up to have a window view whenever possible as I like the feel of open space. Same with earbuds/headphones - never wear them running or walking as I like to hear the world (and I used to run alone for hours on end when I was training for ultras).

 

[Night Spring]

I personally couldn't see myself wanting to use them in lieu of a monitor. I purposefully set my workspaces up to have a window view whenever possible as I like the feel of open space.

but the Vision Pro in immersive mode would allow you to set up your workspace on a mountaintop if you want, while it's path-through mode lets see your surroundings as is.

 

[sparksd]

but the Vision Pro in immersive mode would allow you to set up your workspace on a mountaintop if you want, while it's path-through mode lets see your surroundings as is.

I prefer the real world. No thanks.

 

[subjonas]

I prefer the real world. No thanks.

Physically, pass through is real world, because photons are photons (assuming no glitches or nefarious manipulation). It’s just conceptually odd because it’s new.
But physically, you would have a thing on your head that could potentially become uncomfortable, so if monitors work just as well for you then those are of course your better option.

 

[sparksd]

Physically, pass through is real world, because photons are photons (assuming no glitches or nefarious manipulation). It’s just conceptually odd because it’s new.
But physically, you would have a thing on your head that could potentially become uncomfortable, so if monitors work just as well for you then those are of course your better option.

I fully understand what it is - I'm just not interested myself.

 

[Night Spring]

I fully understand what it is - I'm just not interested myself.

You never suddenly wished for just one more monitor, or wished your existing monitors could be just a little bit bigger?

 

[Fraserpatty]

I’m not really interested in VisionPro myself unless I could fully immerse myself in Middle-earth. Then I’d have to consider it! 🧌

 

[sparksd]

You never suddenly wished for just one more monitor, or wished your existing monitors could be just a little bit bigger?

No.

 

[JustinePaula]

Am I the only one who can't make sense of your posts? I'm trying but I just don't know what your point is.

My argument is that Apple are very weak in terms of innovation, they have settled on a formula for products, and everyone knows this is a bad formula, the product range is weak, has a lot of problems, but Apple are firm in what they believe...

 

[darngooddesign]

My argument is that Apple are very weak in terms of innovation, they have settled on a formula for products, and everyone knows this is a bad formula, the product range is weak, has a lot of problems, but Apple are firm in what they believe...

You're being angry that the iPad doesn't run MacOS, or some other experience to match your desktop computer, does not mean Apple's entire product line is weak and has problems. Too much salt is bad for your heath, buy something else and live a happy life.

Here's the thing, people who are clamoring loudly for innovation are the first to complain about the teething pains which come with true innovation. It's nothing but somethinggate hashtags from the people who say they want innovation but actually want the safety of experiences they know. Apple knows that its "fans" are particularly bad about this which is why they wait until technology has matured before implementing it.

 

[JustinePaula]

You're being angry that the iPad doesn't run MacOS does not mean Apple's entire product line is weak and has problems. Too much salt is bad for your heath, buy something else and live a happy life.

I am not angry, there is nothing to be angry about, Apple is just not as innovative now as it was in the past, and this lack of interest shows in the products, They have not tried to bring anything radically new to this rock since the iphone gen1, or the ipad gen 1...both were legendary devices....

I kind of think Apple lost their courage with the round macpro, a great idea in theory, but in reality, it was not at all popular. The whole product range from phones through ipads, into mac laptops/desktops is weak, no scope for innovation for creatives, the watches have potential, being able to use the watch without the iphone, that would be brilliant, I would buy a apple watch, the iphone without the 3,5mm is a dealbreaker, and the inability to use bluetooth from an iphone to a mac pro, when my cheap Sammy does... Apple is paranoid about a lot of things, this paranoia has ruined the experience...

 

[darngooddesign]

I am not angry,

Your string of state-of-the-ipad complaints would indicate otherwise.

there is nothing to be angry about, Apple is just not as innovative now as it was in the past, and this lack of interest shows in the products, They have not tried to bring anything radically new to this rock since the iphone gen1, or the ipad gen 1...both were legendary devices....

I kind of think Apple lost their courage with the round macpro, a great idea in theory, but in reality, it was not at all popular. The whole product range from phones through ipads, into mac laptops/desktops is weak, no scope for innovation for creatives, the watches have potential, being able to use the watch without the iphone, that would be brilliant, I would buy a apple watch, the iphone without the 3,5mm is a dealbreaker, and the inability to use bluetooth from an iphone to a mac pro, when my cheap Sammy does... Apple is paranoid about a lot of things, this paranoia has ruined the experience...

Apple isn't as innovative now because it knows that their fans can't handle actual innovation and would just find something else to complain about.

 

[Username-already-in-use]

They have not tried to bring anything radically new to this rock since the iphone gen1, or the ipad gen 1...both were legendary devices....

What product categories are you looking for? A new product line will always tend to be innovative, while every iteration of said product line tends to be iterative rather than a departure.

Look at how controversial the silicon transitions were: 68000-to-PowerPC, PowerPC-to-Intel, Intel-to-M-Series. They don’t happen so often because they are inherently disruptive and come with risk attached.

 

[JustinePaula]

What product categories are you looking for? A new product line will always tend to be innovative, while every iteration of said product line tends to be iterative rather than a departure.

Look at how controversial the silicon transitions were: 68000-to-PowerPC, PowerPC-to-Intel, Intel-to-M-Series. They don’t happen so often because they are inherently disruptive and come with risk attached.

Yes exactly, Apple has become extremely risk adverse, I explained that with the round Mac Pro aka "trashcan Mac", that was innovative, but in the wrong direction, it solved problems no one had, someone did have a problem, and Apple tried to solve that problem with the trashcan, it was rejected, but Apple tried to recoup costs, so sold it..

The may have to be renamed "vision pro" was a solution to a problem someone had, and approached Apple, so this was was what Apple came up with, and it may not prove popular, seems very odd to announce it now, when it would make more sense later, I think Apple felt that the keynote after the announcement in May of FCP for Ipad, there was too much time left in the keynote... So a quick re-edit of the keynote...Include the visionpro in lieu of FCP for Ipad...

We will never know, why not innovate with the announcement of some sort of range of ipads with HDMI in, SD cards, CF cards, Apple power banks, eGPU? Something.. but a toy called visionpro...with a 2 hour battery, from the best brains in tech...Really Apple is mocking, trolling...