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I've seen professionals use Chromebooks as tools of their trade. Therefore I don't for a second think that an iPad could NOT be used by a professional.
It is amazing the amount of energy that is put into this concept.
I don't care if someone is using an iPad professionally or not. Whatever works for them. If it works for them, great. If it doesn't, then understood. Because I cannot use an iPad for my profession exclusively. Would it be a useful tool? Sure.
I used an iPad as a primary device for a few years - back when I was reading 55+ books a year and had a very competent work provided laptop. But I game, program, run VMs (Windows 11), and often work with data sets that require external drives. So for me, a laptop is my game.
I've actually phased iPads out of my life because I'm trying to downsize my devices footprint. What iPads do REALLY well for me is taking notes that are instantly available on all my devices and read books for hours comfortably.
Apple could have gone nuts and made the iPad run Mac OS but there's a reason why the iPad has the market it does. It works REALLY well for what it does. I do think the Apple Silicon chips in MacBooks have not been helpful to the iPad (this is a big reason why I left the iPad).
The idea that there ALWAYS has to be progress is not a good one. So many times there is progress for the sake of change and often times it is not good.
What would interest me in getting an iPad? Stop pricing it like a laptop without having laptop like features. Make the battery last longer. Make it a lot lighter. I would use an iPad for mostly reading so I'm probably not the primary demographic target for an iPad.
It is amazing the amount of energy that is put into this concept.
I don't care if someone is using an iPad professionally or not. Whatever works for them. If it works for them, great. If it doesn't, then understood. Because I cannot use an iPad for my profession exclusively. Would it be a useful tool? Sure.
I used an iPad as a primary device for a few years - back when I was reading 55+ books a year and had a very competent work provided laptop. But I game, program, run VMs (Windows 11), and often work with data sets that require external drives. So for me, a laptop is my game.
I've actually phased iPads out of my life because I'm trying to downsize my devices footprint. What iPads do REALLY well for me is taking notes that are instantly available on all my devices and read books for hours comfortably.
Apple could have gone nuts and made the iPad run Mac OS but there's a reason why the iPad has the market it does. It works REALLY well for what it does. I do think the Apple Silicon chips in MacBooks have not been helpful to the iPad (this is a big reason why I left the iPad).
The idea that there ALWAYS has to be progress is not a good one. So many times there is progress for the sake of change and often times it is not good.
What would interest me in getting an iPad? Stop pricing it like a laptop without having laptop like features. Make the battery last longer. Make it a lot lighter. I would use an iPad for mostly reading so I'm probably not the primary demographic target for an iPad.
Relax. Why so defensive and angry?
You keep insulting me saying I don't know what you do even though you told me what you do but you didn't explain anything?
I have no idea how you use your iPad in photography? Do you take pictures with it? Do you use photo editing software for post processing and production? Obviously what ever you are doing with it professionally works for you. That is great. I don't disagree that it works for you and is a professional tool.
However that doesn't negate my point that the iPad for professional use cases is more limited than a Mac or iPhone. It is in a middle spot which is fine and as you pointed out there are some use cases where it might work better than either of the other devices I mentioned.
I know a person who has an iPad Pro and uses it to create digital artwork with Procreate and it is a professional tool for them and I can't think of a better device on the market for their use case. But that is a very small percentage of actual users.
For the majority of people an iPad Pro is not a replacement for a phone or a Mac. Full stop.
How do you know my entire history and use case? I have ended up using an iPad the way I do through experience of using it for more pro use cases and it was a compromise, not being particularly great at either and having almost the same footprint as a MacBook air with all the accessories included. After that experience I decided that I would not try to use the iPad in a way that wasn't really it strength. It is not that it can't replace the workflow it is just not an ideal solution. Which makes it always a tertiary device and not a primary, at least for me and I would say a majority of people.
Also by renaming to ultra I am not saying get rid of the features a iPad Pro currently has? I am saying that by renaming it, it can be what it always has been a great ultra premium tablet that you can use any way you see fit. By putting the Pro name it puts more expectations for it to be something it was never designed to be.
But you can have your own opinion that is opposite of mine. There is enough space in the world for both to exist and be simultaneously true whether you agree or not.
Completely agree with you. I would appreciate a focus on the the list you stated as well. And some better color options.
It's more of the same stupid BS. These people insist that iPad has to replace the desktop computers, or it has no place in the world. I'm perfectly happy with the iPad being an iPad. It has its own identity, which people need to stop pretending doesn't exist.
375: ‘No False Humidity’, With Jason Snell
Poddavsnitt · The Talk Show With John Gruber · 2023-05-23 · 2 tim 11 minpodcasts.apple.com
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I just listened to the latest episode of The Talk Show With John Gruber where he had Jason Snell as a guest. They discussed why Apple released Final Cut Pro for iPad now all of a sudden and they went on to talk about the status of iPad in Apple’s lineup today.
They made some interesting points that I wanted to share and hear your thoughts on.
They talked about how everyone at Apple thought iPad was going phase out the Mac in mid 2010s, but when Apple silicon arrived on the Mac, it completely changed everything. The iPad is now basically just another product in Apple’s lineup and the Mac has taken the spot back as the second most important Apple product (after the iPhone, of course).
They also talked about how iPad as a product is not really “necessary” and that Apple doesn’t know what to do with the it. They compared the first 10 years of the Mac and the iPad and how stark the difference was. Gruber argues that the iPad has not changed computing at all compared to the Mac and iPhone.
Thoughts?
I have an 2022 12.9 iPad Pro, which my wife gifted me, a MacBook Pro 16" and iPhone and the iPad Pro is honestly the least essential device of the three. I would go as far to say that iPad Pro and the AirPods Max are the two least essential and most overpriced Apple products.
If I want to consume social media, music or browse the web, 10/10 times I just grab my iPhone 14 Pro Max because the entire world is optimised for mobile screens. The iPad takes the iPhone UI and just makes everything bigger which makes navigating the UI gruesome. It's a nightmare to type on the big iPad on-screen keyboard and the iPad is heavy as hell which means you can't hold it for long.
When it comes to the Mac, it's significantly better than the iPad in terms of multitasking, browsing the web and you have access to desktop Chrome because the world is optimised for Chrome. Then the Mac has significantly better battery life, less Mini-LED blooming, less bugs, better apps.
I would honestly only recommend the iPad Pro to people who have a lot of disposable income to burn and you have a job that makes use of annotating PDF's and note-taking. I'm studying at University and I know a lot of people who use iPads and I've never seen a person be more productive than a typical laptop. I guess the tablets in general is a mystery to me...
iPad is a fantastic fully capable computer for lots of people who don't really need a computer. I don't know where these people come from who A) need a real computer (like me), B) insist that iPad has no place in the world if it doesn't replace a PC for them.
I totally get your point. It is sufficient as a replacement for a laptop or desktop computer for a lot of things.
However if you try to type anything for a long period of time you are going to need a keyboard. At that point it will cost the same as a MacBook air and have basically the same footprint and weight so other than the touch screen I don't see the advantages?
If you like the ability to use it as a more portable device and don't type much or use the keyboard then I can understand or if you really like touchscreen or use a Apple pencil for drawing, notes, signing documents then again I can understand.
I mean the cost at the upper end of the larger iPad Pro you could get a MacBook Pro or an iPhone and a MacBook air?
I think the cost at the upper end and lacking some of the functionality of a full fledged operation system are the key points people argue.
I would say for an average user who just needs simple requirements a iPad air is enough and can mostly replace a computer BUT as soon as you add a keyboard then you could buy a MacBook air M1 and end up saving money with a more productive and powerful device.
Of course you could get a cheap Windows 2 in one laptop that has a touchscreen and be done with it.
The advantage over a MacBook is that you can remove the keyboard when you don’t need it without voiding your warranty.
I actually stayed that in my comments. Of course it can be tedious connecting and disconnecting a keyboard. Using the device on your lap and typing is less than ideal as well compared to a MacBook air.
Also when you use the tablet without a keyboard and want to prop it up to view it is not as nice as a laptop to easily change the angle.
The MacBook air also has much better battery life.
So, by that logic… you have a problem with the iPhone having Pro attached to it? or maybe the Pixel too?
I actually do. I have said it many times. The Pro naming is utter BS. It is a phone.
Granted I like the best features but what exactly makes a phone "pro"? How many people who use a "pro" phone actually use it for strictly professional use?
It is all marketing BS so people can feel good about having something better than anyone else.
Again I have no problem with ultra or flagship but pro moniker on a phone is laughable.
Samsung is at least honest with the s23 ultra and it actually has more tools to make it professional like the sPen for signing documents and remote camera shutter. It is the most "pro" phone yet it is called ultra. Lol
My points are ...
1: The ipad is a brilliant device, it showed a level of innovation at the time, a decade+ ago that we all loved Apple for..
2: Since the introduction of the ipad, the needs of users has evolved, and this has not been reflected in the types of ipads available..
3: There has been no attempt by Apple to listen to the users, to separate the ipad into 2 ranges, ipad and ipad pro..
4: The Pro should have some sort of pro level innovation, and by innovation, something new, not something rehashed, Apple has in a decade not even tried, there has been no ipad with an SD card slot, or any sort of slot for a professional level card, none..No P2, no SD Card, no nothing..and this is very strange, as yes a lot of professionals use ipads for dally use, they are using consumer devices...
In almost every aspect of human activity, we have tools, tools that the average DIY dad uses, and tools the professional uses, they are the same type of tool, but built to 2 very different standards, drills, trucks, tape measures, and so on..
20 yrs ago, when Apple went from Motorola to Intel, G range to Mac, 2 laptops were created, plastic and aluminum, the plastic was for children, it was BTO, not upgrade-able, then the aluminum, it had a replace-able battery, RAM you could change, the internals designed to make changing out hard drives and the super-drive easy..This was called the MacBook Pro.. the idea that professionals would invest in upgrades, they could buy a couple of batteries, and swap them out to extend time off mains, this was a great innovation, taking an old idea, making it even more functional, perfect...
Now the macbok air, macbook pro are the same, limited ports, no way to upgrade, yes designed to make you buy a more expensive device each and every time you reach a limit in your workflow, say 8GB RAM is not enough, go to 16GB...
The ipad was a great device, it had 2 problems, getting data to and from was at best cumbersome, ok, for the 1st couple of generations, fine, but then when Apple releases the "Pro" then you sort of expect the device to be more, than the original to be innovative and advanced, to be able to do more, be more than before..
Not just more expensive for the sake of being more expensive, If the best "specced" out ipad pro cost $500 I would buy 2, no question, having 2 would be a huge blessing, I could use one at the office, and 1 at home, as a 2nd monitor, instead of the macbook air...
The ipad has benefits of being mobile, easy to use on public transport, but the size needs to be limited, the ipad mini for me was the ideal size, just big enough to fit in my hand bag, but not so big it does not, or I need a 2nd case just for the ipad.. The only issue, the small capacity onboard storage...
Over the life of the product, I would have invested in SSD replacement, had this been available, the same applies to the macbook pro from 2013, or my 2020 M1 macbook air, I would have over the decade have invested in Apple through upgrades, when the macbook pro from 2013 reached the end of it's development, I would have a great laptop that still has a long life, but with a bigger SSD, more RAM, and I would still have my M1 mac air, I would since 2021 have upgraded the SSD, the RAM, spent money in the apple store if I could, I want to spend money at Apple...
If Apple said ok, for a one time $500 replacement you can have a macbook pro that has been designed in such a way that you can upgrade the RAM over time, replace the SSD, has a replace-able battery, SD card slot, USB C on both sides, and mag safe for power, I am camping at the mall, no question... I would upgrade often...
Ipads are extremely useful tools, DIY dads at home that make the occasional bookshelf or table, they do not need a $1000 drill, they need a $50 drill that if it lasts 3 years was a great investment, the DIY dad buys the ipad, he does not need the ipad pro, for his needs, he buys a dongle for $49,99, but for the professional in the creative space, that works hard all day, the ipad pro, with loads of ways to adapt this device, a modular sort of thing, innovation at play, just making ideas here, just thinking out loud.. So that you could be more productive.. Hardware and software both need to be useful to professionals at a level that is above that of the average users...That is the point of Pro as I see it...
Apple has not tried, no, there has been no evidence of any sort of engagement by Apple to show they do in fact innovate.. Video editors wrote a letter to Apple, pleading for support, updates, and well nothing but a bunch of Marketing 110 garbage was published by Apple... Writing that letter was a mistake..
Apple does not like being told what to do.. Apple will do as Apple pleases and we must make workarounds to solve obvious solutions that Apple refuse to implement... Apple has given up on creatives is a fact borne out of the evidence of no innovation in over a decade..The hardware and software do not support the needs of professionals, the "PRO" moniker is a big *uck you from Apple...
1: The ipad is a brilliant device, it showed a level of innovation at the time, a decade+ ago that we all loved Apple for..
2: Since the introduction of the ipad, the needs of users has evolved, and this has not been reflected in the types of ipads available..
3: There has been no attempt by Apple to listen to the users, to separate the ipad into 2 ranges, ipad and ipad pro..
4: The Pro should have some sort of pro level innovation, and by innovation, something new, not something rehashed, Apple has in a decade not even tried, there has been no ipad with an SD card slot, or any sort of slot for a professional level card, none..No P2, no SD Card, no nothing..and this is very strange, as yes a lot of professionals use ipads for dally use, they are using consumer devices...
In almost every aspect of human activity, we have tools, tools that the average DIY dad uses, and tools the professional uses, they are the same type of tool, but built to 2 very different standards, drills, trucks, tape measures, and so on..
20 yrs ago, when Apple went from Motorola to Intel, G range to Mac, 2 laptops were created, plastic and aluminum, the plastic was for children, it was BTO, not upgrade-able, then the aluminum, it had a replace-able battery, RAM you could change, the internals designed to make changing out hard drives and the super-drive easy..This was called the MacBook Pro.. the idea that professionals would invest in upgrades, they could buy a couple of batteries, and swap them out to extend time off mains, this was a great innovation, taking an old idea, making it even more functional, perfect...
Now the macbok air, macbook pro are the same, limited ports, no way to upgrade, yes designed to make you buy a more expensive device each and every time you reach a limit in your workflow, say 8GB RAM is not enough, go to 16GB...
The ipad was a great device, it had 2 problems, getting data to and from was at best cumbersome, ok, for the 1st couple of generations, fine, but then when Apple releases the "Pro" then you sort of expect the device to be more, than the original to be innovative and advanced, to be able to do more, be more than before..
Not just more expensive for the sake of being more expensive, If the best "specced" out ipad pro cost $500 I would buy 2, no question, having 2 would be a huge blessing, I could use one at the office, and 1 at home, as a 2nd monitor, instead of the macbook air...
The ipad has benefits of being mobile, easy to use on public transport, but the size needs to be limited, the ipad mini for me was the ideal size, just big enough to fit in my hand bag, but not so big it does not, or I need a 2nd case just for the ipad.. The only issue, the small capacity onboard storage...
Over the life of the product, I would have invested in SSD replacement, had this been available, the same applies to the macbook pro from 2013, or my 2020 M1 macbook air, I would have over the decade have invested in Apple through upgrades, when the macbook pro from 2013 reached the end of it's development, I would have a great laptop that still has a long life, but with a bigger SSD, more RAM, and I would still have my M1 mac air, I would since 2021 have upgraded the SSD, the RAM, spent money in the apple store if I could, I want to spend money at Apple...
If Apple said ok, for a one time $500 replacement you can have a macbook pro that has been designed in such a way that you can upgrade the RAM over time, replace the SSD, has a replace-able battery, SD card slot, USB C on both sides, and mag safe for power, I am camping at the mall, no question... I would upgrade often...
Ipads are extremely useful tools, DIY dads at home that make the occasional bookshelf or table, they do not need a $1000 drill, they need a $50 drill that if it lasts 3 years was a great investment, the DIY dad buys the ipad, he does not need the ipad pro, for his needs, he buys a dongle for $49,99, but for the professional in the creative space, that works hard all day, the ipad pro, with loads of ways to adapt this device, a modular sort of thing, innovation at play, just making ideas here, just thinking out loud.. So that you could be more productive.. Hardware and software both need to be useful to professionals at a level that is above that of the average users...That is the point of Pro as I see it...
Apple has not tried, no, there has been no evidence of any sort of engagement by Apple to show they do in fact innovate.. Video editors wrote a letter to Apple, pleading for support, updates, and well nothing but a bunch of Marketing 110 garbage was published by Apple... Writing that letter was a mistake..
Apple does not like being told what to do.. Apple will do as Apple pleases and we must make workarounds to solve obvious solutions that Apple refuse to implement... Apple has given up on creatives is a fact borne out of the evidence of no innovation in over a decade..The hardware and software do not support the needs of professionals, the "PRO" moniker is a big *uck you from Apple...
I have absolutely no idea why people are so obsessed with the iPad naming system. What the hell does it matter what it’s called? It’s ridiculous.
If you can use the device in any meaningful manner then that’s what it’s for; be it to keep in the kitchen to watch YouTube cooking programmes, or in the bedroom to read books, or the sofa for browsing, or the suitcase for travel movies, or the school bag for note taking; maybe in the hands of a doctor, or a scientist, or an artist, or a teacher.
There are several levels of iPad, at all the price points and there are a million use cases for one. For some it can replace a laptop. For some it will supplement a wider ecosystem as a modular part of a studio setup (in my case). For some it’s just a bigger phone. For some it’s complete rubbish.
What it’s called has no bearing on any of it.
If you can use the device in any meaningful manner then that’s what it’s for; be it to keep in the kitchen to watch YouTube cooking programmes, or in the bedroom to read books, or the sofa for browsing, or the suitcase for travel movies, or the school bag for note taking; maybe in the hands of a doctor, or a scientist, or an artist, or a teacher.
There are several levels of iPad, at all the price points and there are a million use cases for one. For some it can replace a laptop. For some it will supplement a wider ecosystem as a modular part of a studio setup (in my case). For some it’s just a bigger phone. For some it’s complete rubbish.
What it’s called has no bearing on any of it.
So innovation is giving the iPad a SD card and lowering the price.... I guess some Android tablets are very innovative then.... Or even making it upgradable like a MacBook from 10 years ago (and while at it making twice as thick and quite a bit heavier). And by the way you continue talking much more about the Macs than iPads....
Innovation has nothing to do with this. It's like saying I wish Microsoft would innovate by having a DVD player in their Surface pro...
We’re not talking about unplugging a USB dock, or disconnecting from a display. It’s no more tedious than picking up anything you want to use.
To be frank, I seldom find the need to keep adjusting the angle of my iPad. But I have an inexpensive, light weight case which gives me a couple of viewing angles. I use that when I’m not interested in the weight or keyboard of my MK. Switching cases is easy to do. I can’t remove the keyboard of my MBP without breaking it.
This is true, primarily due to its heavier weight which can never be removed.
I'm just going to stop you right there. "If you try to..." could be followed by dozens of different real-computer things, that iPad won't do well. Conicidentally, millions upon millions of computer users don't do those things at all. Which is why iPad satisfies those people as their computer.
Counterpoint, and iPad and a MacBook Air costs more than either a MacBook Air or an iPad with keyboard.
People who are do something a lot tend to have a variety of objects to help with that thing they do a lot. In the case of keyboards, people who type a lot tend to even buy a superior keyboard for their MacBook Airs/Pros and those things come with a keyboard. There is no reason why that same type of person wouldn’t own a superior keyboard to use with their iPads in addition to any cases they also have.They might also own the much lighter SmartKeyboard so they always have something to type on when they don’t want to bring/use their better keyboard.
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Same. My iPad is my main device and I use it all day for work, in its Magic Keyboard as a laptop and connected to a display as a desktop. It works perfectly well and honestly the workflow is better for me personally than macOS. It’s such a capable device. So when Apple just leaves new features out for no reason other than to have something to announce next year, it really, really gets old.
It seems like every yearly iPadOS update these days features more and more stuff that was brought to iOS last year.
I’m not saying that iPadOS isn’t improving in other ways. Stage Manager alone was a massive leap forward for the interface, but when they leave these nice new features out, like the customized Lock Screen last year and apparently the new Journal app this year, it’s just so frustrating and makes no sense.
That keynote proved that Apple has lost the ability to innovate, nothing new was introduced, just a lot of useless ideas no one cares about, nothing new, and the visionpro is not new, it is a silly toy, made on the cheap to solve problems no one has, and with a 2 hour battery, really for a $2 trillion company, with some of the best brains on salary, 2 hour battery, and a stupid cord?
Nothing new for the ipad, proving once again that Apple has given up on the ipad.. No new solutions, no mention of fixes/updates to the files app, to solve the number 1 complaint, external SSD support... Really it was a boring waste of time, no mabook pro, just a stupid 15 inch air...with 2 ports... Apple is not trying, it wants so hard to get away from hardware, that is very obvious... Before they would spent a large portion of the WWDC on the new Mac OS, the visionpro got over 25%, and the watch maps more than Sanoma...A very confused WWDC keynote..
Nothing new for the ipad, proving once again that Apple has given up on the ipad.. No new solutions, no mention of fixes/updates to the files app, to solve the number 1 complaint, external SSD support... Really it was a boring waste of time, no mabook pro, just a stupid 15 inch air...with 2 ports... Apple is not trying, it wants so hard to get away from hardware, that is very obvious... Before they would spent a large portion of the WWDC on the new Mac OS, the visionpro got over 25%, and the watch maps more than Sanoma...A very confused WWDC keynote..
When Apple removes a feature and thereby creates a daily annoyance—having to attach and detach an adapter depending on what device you’re using (never mind the fact that you had to go out and buy an adapter for each of your headphones, at least that was a one time deal)—with no end in sight, it’s a little hard to just let it go.
It might be easier to let go if there was a significant benefit to the removal, but the benefits that applied to the iPhone (more space, water resistance) aren’t existent or significant for the iPad.
And wired headphones are a need, not just a preference, for people working with audio (recording/editing)—due to lag, audio quality, and battery life.
So I think as far as complaints on MR go, the removal of the headphone port from the iPad is a legitimate one.
Apple removing is Apple telling us, we know what is best for you, and trust us, we know cables are a bad idea, so we created this replacement airpod for you, it has so many wonderful features...
Sure dongles solve problems, problems that really should never have existed, Apple then further mocks with the "airdrop" that is all sorts of wrong about it.. Makes no mention of how to transfer video shot on the device to say the MacPro with 192GB of super expensive RAM..
The old saying bull*** baffles brains is 100% correct, Apple try and confuse, to hide with slight of word very obvious mistakes in thinking at the mothership.. Cords are extremely useful in certain aspects, audio/video editing, podcasting, Apple is sending mixed messages.. Anayway this 2023 WWDC did not provide anything useful...
I use USB 3 hard drives, I have to then find an adapter to USB-C, and this is annoying, when really how hard would it have been to have included a USB 3 port on the right hand side of the macbok air.. Which they did not do on the 2023 Macbook Air, exact same design as the 2020 M1 Macbook Air, same ports, just 12% larger device.. That is innovation?? Impressive [Not at all...embarrassed..]
Sure dongles solve problems, problems that really should never have existed, Apple then further mocks with the "airdrop" that is all sorts of wrong about it.. Makes no mention of how to transfer video shot on the device to say the MacPro with 192GB of super expensive RAM..
The old saying bull*** baffles brains is 100% correct, Apple try and confuse, to hide with slight of word very obvious mistakes in thinking at the mothership.. Cords are extremely useful in certain aspects, audio/video editing, podcasting, Apple is sending mixed messages.. Anayway this 2023 WWDC did not provide anything useful...
I use USB 3 hard drives, I have to then find an adapter to USB-C, and this is annoying, when really how hard would it have been to have included a USB 3 port on the right hand side of the macbok air.. Which they did not do on the 2023 Macbook Air, exact same design as the 2020 M1 Macbook Air, same ports, just 12% larger device.. That is innovation?? Impressive [Not at all...embarrassed..]
I don’t really question Apple’s motives. I just accept that they, like any company, will do what they believe they need to do. Usually it works out that Apple’s and my interests coincide, but in the case of the iPad headphone port, our interest don’t coincide. That’s as far as I care to think it through. It sucks for me, and I’ll let them know about it, but I know they don’t owe me anything. And I’m mostly happy with their products. If I wasn’t, I just wouldn’t buy them.
I didn’t say it was a good idea, I don’t really have an opinion on it. I don’t use headphones with my iPad, nor need a jack on it.
My point is that it’s gone. It has been for years. Are people just going to complain about it for eternity? It’s not coming back.
Further more, you can get it back via a tiny adapter attached to your headphones, and you can charge it at the same via a slightly larger adapter, and you can have a way better equivalent port if you’re into music production using something else entirely via the tb port.
Using adaptors, along with power is a world of hurt, 3.5mm worked for decades, it was/is a universal standard that has decades of life left, maybe even 120 years, well in to 2100, to remove it was petty, seeing as Apple included it in the 2023 M2 Macbook air.. so the argument Apple makes about it, is stupid, if Apple believed 3.5mm was broken, useless then why include it in the 2023 Macbook air?? That makes no sense, on one hand to remove it from portables, but include it on a brand new 2023 mac device...
So take it off certain models, and leave it on others, using dongles is a world of hurt, it solves problems that were never problems, if you want to listen and charge, you take the risk, but to force everyone, man low blow.. Apple is just not thinking the problem through...
So take it off certain models, and leave it on others, using dongles is a world of hurt, it solves problems that were never problems, if you want to listen and charge, you take the risk, but to force everyone, man low blow.. Apple is just not thinking the problem through...