iPad Pro Apple has given up on the iPad

[cupcakes2000]

What? Apple is the one confused about the PRO and how and where to use it.. I thought it meant PRO as the macbook was not pro [plastic] and PRO [not plastic] the PRO was better, and the adverts showed professionals using macbook PRO laptops, so without Apple confirming or denying..We can only assume... Yes making ass of u me..

I think being confused about what a computer is good for or not based on the naming convention is probably either; someone that doesn't know what they want or need in the first place or simply faux confusion to make their point seem more valid.

Which one are you? I suspect the later.

As it stands right now, anybody in the kind of pro industry Apple serves understands very well what each of their computers or devices does or doesnt do, and whether it can do the job they need or not. Otherwise it's consumers that're attracted to the higher end devices 'just because', and again, very very little to do with naming and massively to do with specs or in some cases, simply the higher price. They could label it 'Poo' and it would sell.

Being labelled pro or not has nothing to do with it, and trying to make out that it does is simply just a form of gaslighting. It's a differentiator, and it's painfully obvious.

 

[JustinePaula]

Giving away my age, but there are terms I really find hard to understand, woke and gaslighting, I sort of understand woke, but gaslighting in this context???

Apple used the term "pro" to differentiate the macbook [plastic case] from the non plastic case version, the PRO had more ports, the replaceable battery, RAM, it was one assumed designed and marketed at "pro"fessionals in video and audio editing, at least that is what the adverts implied. Was Apple gaslighting? When it comes to gaslighting that is a standard operating procedure here in South Africa as we no longer have a viable source of electricity generation...

Right now the macbook pro/macbook air are both poo, really stinky useless... The air and the pro have virtually the same specs and cost less than the ipad poo.. so I really find it hard to understand why Apple never bothered to innovate....The last great innovation out of Apple was firewire, since then nothing... Apple was so into the video editing back then you could buy a special edition desktop G3 designed with video editing in mind... OMG, what? 1999... Since then, 2000-2023, zero innovation, zero interest in anything video related, nada..

OK, I blame Steve Jobs, he was ill, he was trying to make right with his soul, and could not focus, he made a bad decision with regards final cut, what he decided Randy Ubillos had designed was the app, was a mistake, no question, and since his depature from Apple, Steve that is, Apple has zero reasons to support video/audio post production, it is simply too expensive and not important enough...

The thread is "Apple has given up on the ipad" when it is Apple has given up on tech.. Apple for all intents and purpose is a bank now, it is no longer a tech giant, it is a banking giant, it is like Chase selling you toasters and a fancy pencil you use at their branded ATM... How can we expect a bank to know anything about tech.. Apple is no longer a technology company, it is a financial service company... Apple Pay makes that very obvious!!! That is a banking product.. Banks are not technology companies...

 

[ericwn]

Giving away my age, but there are terms I really find hard to understand, woke and gaslighting, I sort of understand woke, but gaslighting in this context???

Apple used the term "pro" to differentiate the macbook [plastic case] from the non plastic case version, the PRO had more ports, the replaceable battery, RAM, it was one assumed designed and marketed at "pro"fessionals in video and audio editing, at least that is what the adverts implied. Was Apple gaslighting? When it comes to gaslighting that is a standard operating procedure here in South Africa as we no longer have a viable source of electricity generation...

Right now the macbook pro/macbook air are both poo, really stinky useless... The air and the pro have virtually the same specs and cost less than the ipad poo.. so I really find it hard to understand why Apple never bothered to innovate....The last great innovation out of Apple was firewire, since then nothing... Apple was so into the video editing back then you could buy a special edition desktop G3 designed with video editing in mind... OMG, what? 1999... Since then, 2000-2023, zero innovation, zero interest in anything video related, nada..

OK, I blame Steve Jobs, he was ill, he was trying to make right with his soul, and could not focus, he made a bad decision with regards final cut, what he decided Randy Ubillos had designed was the app, was a mistake, no question, and since his depature from Apple, Steve that is, Apple has zero reasons to support video/audio post production, it is simply too expensive and not important enough...

The thread is "Apple has given up on the ipad" when it is Apple has given up on tech.. Apple for all intents and purpose is a bank now, it is no longer a tech giant, it is a banking giant, it is like Chase selling you toasters and a fancy pencil you use at their branded ATM... How can we expect a bank to know anything about tech.. Apple is no longer a technology company, it is a financial service company... Apple Pay makes that very obvious!!! That is a banking product.. Banks are not technology companies...

What a bunch of off topic nonsense.

 

[JustinePaula]

Sorry you feel that way, on what was I off topic?

 

[ericwn]

Sorry you feel that way, on what was I off topic?

Where are you even on topic? MacBook discussion in an iPad thread? Random theories about Pro when pro vs non pro is not the topic? Steve Jobs life a dozen years after his death? Apple is a bank off topic blurb?

 

[JustinePaula]

Yes, I have tried to stay on topic, given examples of why Apple has given up on the ipad, clearly comprehension is a skill learned, and maybe you do not practice this skill often, Apple is a bank, it has to be to offer Pay.. open to debate and or correction...

 

[ericwn]

Yes, I have tried to stay on topic, given examples of why Apple has given up on the ipad, clearly comprehension is a skill learned, and maybe you do not practice this skill often, Apple is a bank, it has to be to offer Pay.. open to debate and or correction...

We’re discussing iPad here in case you haven’t realised it yet. Thanks for making my point yet again with the banking nonsense. Apple offers additional services these days and is not the only one at that. Those add convenience for their user base and aid lock-in which, oh wonder, sells more stuff. Please show us a few additional banks that also make a category leading computer product.

 

[Night Spring]

Sorry you feel that way, on what was I off topic?

While I don't agree with anything you said, I didn't think it was off topic. Just one forum reader's opinion, though.

 

[Long]

I think the missed opportunity is Apple trying to make the iPad a direct replacement for the Mac. The iPad's strength is it is a piece of glass that can be anything. The use cases that take advantage of this are drawing apps, "musical instrument" apps like keyboards, drum pads, etc. And then of course reading and other consumption-type apps - remember the big push for iPad-specific magazines back when the first iPad was introduced. This turned out to be a small market, and some of those tasks could be done on devices people already had - and Apple wanted the iPad to grow instead of be a niche product. It seems like it could have lived as a niche product, since nearly all of its R&D could be done by iPhone R&D.

By the way, I think it's fine if "portable computer" is one of the things that blank piece of glass can turn into. It just seems to miss the real opportunity of a device that can literally turn itself into just about anything.

 

[JustinePaula]

Apple got greedy, wanted more and more sources of income, the ipad should have stayed the ipad, without keyboards, only the pencil, so that it would be a drawing touchscreen device.. The problem is that Apple did not know or did not want to make the ipad, what I am trying to say is that the ipad maybe 1 version of the ipad at least have been a better "cheaper" wacom than what Wacom had at the time..

The ipad as a tablet that could be used in conjunction with Final Cut, Aperture, Logic, etc as a graphics tablet and if you need to do light sort of correction, or need a e-reader the ipad would have been better..

Things get all a little bit blurry when the plastic macbook is replaced with the air, and the screen size for laptops shrink, and the over use of solder, so that there is no way to upgrade...Everything is now as you buy it, and no future upgrading of computers..

That is where it all goes wrong, laptops, ipads it all gets so messy and muddled, what is what, Apple does not know what of 2 paths to take...path 1-scrap the ipad and have touch screen laptops, or path 2-keep the ipad, make it a touchscreen laptop, and keep the laptop without touchscreen....

Path 2 chosen, ok, now...to keep everyone happy, we will have macos for the laptops, and ipadOS for the ipad, and even though they are 99% the same under the hood, 2 devices, 2 operating systems...

My feeling is that Apple should not have sold the ipad with keyboards, kept it solo, and added SD card slots, upped the RAM, external Apple branded MFI SSD, at least HDMI, USB C, 2 ports.. On some variants within the ipad range, basic is ipad, and PRO is the added features..

Questions I have and will never know answers for, anyway just my thoughts of "Apple has given up on the ipad" In a way yes...and no...

There is a huge demand for a device that has more than what the ipad is, and less than what a laptop is, that missing middle so to speak...

 

[Runaway Train]

iPad user since 2012 and forever had an on/off love/hate relationship with the device. It’s great for some things, falls far short for others. Heavy Logic user - no way in hell I could use that on an iPad. OTOH - pencil is great. Because so many of the apps I use at work (including MS office 365) are in the cloud, I can travel with the iPad get all of the work done, never have a WIFI issue (Cellular with SIM), prop up in a cafe, it lite etc. Goodness, take it for what it’s worth.

OTOH, 11 years into the platform, it is not, and unless Apple opens up the flood gates and creates a true multi-tasking OS and fixes the crippled file system, it never will, be a proper “desktop replacement”. Well, not for me.

 

[rappr]

iPad user since 2012 and forever had an on/off love/hate relationship with the device. It’s great for some things, falls far short for others. Heavy Logic user - no way in hell I could use that on an iPad. OTOH - pencil is great. Because so many of the apps I use at work (including MS office 365) are in the cloud, I can travel with the iPad get all of the work done, never have a WIFI issue (Cellular with SIM), prop up in a cafe, it lite etc. Goodness, take it for what it’s worth.

OTOH, 11 years into the platform, it is not, and unless Apple opens up the flood gates and creates a true multi-tasking OS and fixes the crippled file system, it never will, be a proper “desktop replacement”. Well, not for me.

"Crippled file system"? What's wrong with the Files app?

 

[teh_hunterer]

Aside from Apple Pencil specific stuff, anything you could use an iPad for can be done with an iPhone or MacBook.

That's pretty much it for me. I have a 14" MacBook Pro and an 11" M1 iPad Pro with Magic Keyboard, I've used both in all sorts of scenarios trying to figure out the best setup.

Ultimately, if the laptop physically fits the scenario, it's by far the better device. The iPad is better for when a keyboard just gets in the way: bed, the train, airplane, on top of the coffee machine, etc. I almost never use the iPad for laptop stuff anymore. It's just a tablet for me these days. A very good tablet, but just a tablet.

 

[Isamilis]

Apple got greedy, wanted more and more sources of income, the ipad should have stayed the ipad, without keyboards, only the pencil, so that it would be a drawing touchscreen device.. The problem is that Apple did not know or did not want to make the ipad, what I am trying to say is that the ipad maybe 1 version of the ipad at least have been a better "cheaper" wacom than what Wacom had at the time..

The ipad as a tablet that could be used in conjunction with Final Cut, Aperture, Logic, etc as a graphics tablet and if you need to do light sort of correction, or need a e-reader the ipad would have been better..

Things get all a little bit blurry when the plastic macbook is replaced with the air, and the screen size for laptops shrink, and the over use of solder, so that there is no way to upgrade...Everything is now as you buy it, and no future upgrading of computers..

That is where it all goes wrong, laptops, ipads it all gets so messy and muddled, what is what, Apple does not know what of 2 paths to take...path 1-scrap the ipad and have touch screen laptops, or path 2-keep the ipad, make it a touchscreen laptop, and keep the laptop without touchscreen....

Path 2 chosen, ok, now...to keep everyone happy, we will have macos for the laptops, and ipadOS for the ipad, and even though they are 99% the same under the hood, 2 devices, 2 operating systems...

My feeling is that Apple should not have sold the ipad with keyboards, kept it solo, and added SD card slots, upped the RAM, external Apple branded MFI SSD, at least HDMI, USB C, 2 ports.. On some variants within the ipad range, basic is ipad, and PRO is the added features..

Questions I have and will never know answers for, anyway just my thoughts of "Apple has given up on the ipad" In a way yes...and no...

There is a huge demand for a device that has more than what the ipad is, and less than what a laptop is, that missing middle so to speak...

I remember, how Apple introduce the Magic keyboard which is “one more thing” only rather one of main agenda. It seems, Apple didn’t plan to make iPad become Mac replacement just by adding keyboard. Hence, the keyboard is for niche users who want to do light admin works with their iPad.

 

[darngooddesign]

I remember, how Apple introduce the Magic keyboard which is “one more thing” only rather one of main agenda. It seems, Apple didn’t plan to make iPad become Mac replacement just by adding keyboard. Hence, the keyboard is for niche users who want to do light admin works with their iPad.

Counterpoint: The Smart Keyboard, which predates the Magic Keyboard, was announced as a main agenda item with the 9.7" iPad Pro.

Additionally, iPadOS features like Mouse and keyboard Support, Split Screen/Slide Over, Stage Manager, Preemptive Multitasking, Swap Memory, etc., which are the things that make the iPad more useful, were main agenda items. I find using the keyboard for typing a lot, even if it's in web-forums, to be more enjoyable than the the glass and that's not "light admin work".

Here is the full history of "one more thing". By your logic the Apple Watch, Apple Music, and even Aqua OSX are still for niche users because they were one-more-things.

Looking Back At Every ‘One More Thing’ In Apple History

One More Thing is a reference to a practice that started in 1999, where Steve Jobs would leave (often quite big) announcements to the end

medium.com

Heck, Apple made this back in the 30-pin days so it's not like having an iPad keyboard is a new concept for Apple.

 

[Isamilis]

Counterpoint: The Smart Keyboard, which predates the Magic Keyboard, was announced as a main agenda item with the 9.7" iPad Pro.

Additionally, iPadOS features like Mouse and keyboard Support, Split Screen/Slide Over, Stage Manager, Preemptive Multitasking, Swap Memory, etc., which are the things that make the iPad more useful, were main agenda items. I find using the keyboard for typing a lot, even if it's in web-forums, to be more enjoyable than the the glass and that's not "light admin work".

Here is the full history of "one more thing". By your logic the Apple Watch, Apple Music, and even Aqua OSX are still for niche users because they were one-more-things.

Looking Back At Every ‘One More Thing’ In Apple History

One More Thing is a reference to a practice that started in 1999, where Steve Jobs would leave (often quite big) announcements to the end

medium.com

Heck, Apple made this back in the 30-pin days so it's not like having an iPad keyboard is a new concept for Apple.
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Looking at the link, turns out Magic Keyboard was not presented in “one more thing” agenda. My mistake, sorry.

 

[emembee]

After 30 years with mac and about 10 with iPad I am switching to iPad as much as I can. Mac Ventura and the most recent OS releases are just too buggy for me, constant problems and freezes, no ideas why (I run a very clean system) . At least the iPad is simpler and less prone to crashes and freezes and when they do occur it is usually simple to recover. As portable too, the screen is really nice as is the SQ, on pro models anyway.

Maybe I’m in the minority here as i am retired and no longer a power user but I just can’t be bothered tackling nonsense issue with the mac anymore and will try to find workarounds on iPad where I can, my biggest concern is Apple making it more like a Mac. Meanwhile am looking fwd to continual if slow progress on the os and 3rd party apps.

 

[Username-already-in-use]

Apple got greedy, wanted more and more sources of income, the ipad should have stayed the ipad, without keyboards, only the pencil, so that it would be a drawing touchscreen device.. The problem is that Apple did not know or did not want to make the ipad, what I am trying to say is that the ipad maybe 1 version of the ipad at least have been a better "cheaper" wacom than what Wacom had at the time..

The ipad as a tablet that could be used in conjunction with Final Cut, Aperture, Logic, etc as a graphics tablet and if you need to do light sort of correction, or need a e-reader the ipad would have been better..

Things get all a little bit blurry when the plastic macbook is replaced with the air, and the screen size for laptops shrink, and the over use of solder, so that there is no way to upgrade...Everything is now as you buy it, and no future upgrading of computers..

That is where it all goes wrong, laptops, ipads it all gets so messy and muddled, what is what, Apple does not know what of 2 paths to take...path 1-scrap the ipad and have touch screen laptops, or path 2-keep the ipad, make it a touchscreen laptop, and keep the laptop without touchscreen....

Path 2 chosen, ok, now...to keep everyone happy, we will have macos for the laptops, and ipadOS for the ipad, and even though they are 99% the same under the hood, 2 devices, 2 operating systems...

My feeling is that Apple should not have sold the ipad with keyboards, kept it solo, and added SD card slots, upped the RAM, external Apple branded MFI SSD, at least HDMI, USB C, 2 ports.. On some variants within the ipad range, basic is ipad, and PRO is the added features..

Questions I have and will never know answers for, anyway just my thoughts of "Apple has given up on the ipad" In a way yes...and no...

There is a huge demand for a device that has more than what the ipad is, and less than what a laptop is, that missing middle so to speak...

I don’t know how Apple not making a keyboard for the iPad makes anything better for anyone. If Apple never made a MK or Smart Folio keyboard, then dozens of third party vendors will still make bluetooth keyboards and keyboard-cases, so what difference does it make?

I would personally love more ports on the iPad though.

 

[Fraserpatty]

I would personally love more ports on the iPad though.

absolutely. I am one who does not want Bluetooth earbuds in my ears and so I prefer the over the ear wired headphones. But Apple made air pods and wanted you to buy them so they took away the 3.5 mm headphone jack and called it courage. So what that means is that I have to use an adapter to use my headphones and cannot charge at the same time. The iPad, at least the pro, needs either the 3.5 mm headphone jack or an additional USB port. At the price these pros cost, an additional USB should have been a no-brainer.

 

[cupcakes2000]

absolutely. I am one who does not want Bluetooth earbuds in my ears and so I prefer the over the ear wired headphones. But Apple made air pods and wanted you to buy them so they took away the 3.5 mm headphone jack and called it courage. So what that means is that I have to use an adapter to use my headphones and cannot charge at the same time. The iPad, at least the pro, needs either the 3.5 mm headphone jack or an additional USB port. At the price these pros cost, an additional USB should have been a no-brainer.

I would like another tb port, I agree. But don’t let’s get all teary for no reason. Get an adapter for your headphones with a pass though for charging. You need the adapter anyway. It’s really not very difficult a decision. The 3.5mm jack is gone and has been for a substantial amount of time. It’s really really time to just let it go.

 

[sparksd]

absolutely. I am one who does not want Bluetooth earbuds in my ears and so I prefer the over the ear wired headphones. But Apple made air pods and wanted you to buy them so they took away the 3.5 mm headphone jack and called it courage. So what that means is that I have to use an adapter to use my headphones and cannot charge at the same time. The iPad, at least the pro, needs either the 3.5 mm headphone jack or an additional USB port. At the price these pros cost, an additional USB should have been a no-brainer.

Not just the Air Pods - Apple dropped an amazing $3.2B on buying Beats. Apple is hugely invested in Bluetooth earbuds & headphones so calling it "courage" to drop the 3.5mm jack is ludicrous.

 

[Night Spring]

absolutely. I am one who does not want Bluetooth earbuds in my ears and so I prefer the over the ear wired headphones. But Apple made air pods and wanted you to buy them so they took away the 3.5 mm headphone jack and called it courage. So what that means is that I have to use an adapter to use my headphones and cannot charge at the same time. The iPad, at least the pro, needs either the 3.5 mm headphone jack or an additional USB port. At the price these pros cost, an additional USB should have been a no-brainer.

If you don't like earbuds, there are bluetooth headphones.

 

[sparksd]

If you don't like earbuds, there are bluetooth headphones.

I have Bose QuietComfort 45 headphones and Sony WF1000XM4 earbuds, both of which sound great to my non-audiophile ears and are really convenient to use with my iPads & iPhone. What burns me about these and similar high-priced audio devices are the non-replaceable lithium batteries - a problem I don't have with my less-expensive but just-as-excellent sounding Audio-Technica ATH-M50X wired headphones.

 

[Night Spring]

I have Bose QuietComfort 45 headphones and Sony WF1000XM4 earbuds, both of which sound great to my non-audiophile ears and are really convenient to use with my iPads & iPhone. What burns me about these and similar high-priced audio devices are the non-replaceable lithium batteries - a problem I don't have with my less-expensive but just-as-excellent sounding Audio-Technica ATH-M50X wired headphones.

Sure, anything with rechargeable batteries has this problem when the battery starts to degrade. But I personally couldn't go back to wired headphones/earphones now. It's just so much more freeing not to have to worry about the cable -- I can listen to music from my computer in my office while making coffee in the kitchen.

 

[Digitalguy]

I would like another tb port, I agree. But don’t let’s get all teary for no reason. Get an adapter for your headphones with a pass though for charging. You need the adapter anyway. It’s really not very difficult a decision. The 3.5mm jack is gone and has been for a substantial amount of time. It’s really really time to just let it go.

Unless you play or create music with your iPad. In that case Bluetooth it's not an option and it's very convenient to be able to plug the headphone directly into the jack.