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iPad Pro Apple has given up on the iPad
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The iPad has its place. Apple being Apple has over-promised and under-delivered on it and that is why people question its place.
It's the best in class when it comes to tablets and their traditional use case.
Apple forces us to get 'Pro' if we want those 'extra features'. Pro device? Not really.
Can it be a laptop replacement? Absolutely for most, but take one step outside and need a use that most don't then it's no longer a laptop replacement.
No way is the iPad going anywhere but it will also be a device where people question what it's really for, the pro version that is.
It's the best in class when it comes to tablets and their traditional use case.
Apple forces us to get 'Pro' if we want those 'extra features'. Pro device? Not really.
Can it be a laptop replacement? Absolutely for most, but take one step outside and need a use that most don't then it's no longer a laptop replacement.
No way is the iPad going anywhere but it will also be a device where people question what it's really for, the pro version that is.
Multitasking sucks on iOS, I remember way back when I would try to import a large number of music files Into my "library" and try to use safari at the same time, the import process would pause.
How about when you’re listening to music and go to a website and scroll and it pauses your music and plays an ad on the website
Awesome, thanks. Strange my search came up short. Maybe because I used DDG… Ah original iPad Pro keynote, I first thought you had said original iPad.
I do find it interesting that Cook said this 5 years after the original iPad, 4 years after Jobs passed away. It seems like a shift from the original “in between” device vision that Jobs presented. I wonder if Jobs had this eventual shift in mind from the beginning or if this was a pivot by Cook.
I also find his phrasing curious—“The iPad is the clearest expression of our vision of the future of personal computing”, instead of simply “the iPad is our vision of the future of personal computing”. Almost like he was implying either “this is the closest we have, but it’s not quite it”, or “the iPad is it as of now, but it may change”. Just feels like he didn’t want to make a strong statement.
I kind of think Jobs thought the iPad would catch on more. I do think it can do something like 90% of the tasks that 90% of consumers need, but the reasons I think more people still use laptops than iPads is:
1) that 10% of tasks they need to do that iPad can’t do, they need it, so they can’t get rid of their laptop
2) even if the iPad can do some things better than a laptop and a phone, if those things are mostly leisure and the laptop or phone can do them reasonably well enough, then many consumers won’t feel justified buying an extra device
Ultimately, I think it’s because laptops were designed with needs in mind, while iPads were designed with wants in mind. And need trumps want.
Yeah I pretty much only upgrade my devices when they stop working or if there is a very compelling new feature(s). Just spec bumps never do it for me. But compelling new features have definitely been in decline in both phones and tablets. Actually funny enough, as a Pencil user, hover is the first new feature I’ve found compelling in a long time. I’m contemplating upgrading.There an industry decline across pretty much every company
Gartner Says Worldwide PC Shipments Declined 30% in First Quarter of 2023
Worldwide PC shipments totaled 55.2 million units in the first quarter of 2023, a 30% decrease from the first quarter of 2022, according to preliminary results by Gartner, Inc.www.gartner.com
if ipad sells less, its not indicative of people not wanting it or ipad not having a place in the market. It’s simply market saturation and the fact that the updates have been pretty weak the past couple years. I mean damn. The last update was just an m2 chip and Apple Pencil hover wasnt it? And even die hard 2018 iPad Pro users have commented on this very forum “still not enough of an upgrade to get me to want a new one when my current one works fine”. These devices last forever. Same with cars. People are keeping them longer than ever before as well.
now an ipad 14 inch with a new screen and a “ipad PRO os”? That might tickle everyone’s fancy
But that 53% doesn’t take into account the money that Apple would lose out on since you wouldn't upgrade your MacBook anymore. Or would you use both the iPad Pro and MacBook?
I guess it depends on how Mac-like they made it. If even one thing that I depend on with the Mac wasn’t available on the iPad I would still prioritize the Mac over the iPad.
When I still believed that Apple would improve iPadOS to an equivalent of the Mac I bought both MacBooks and iPad Pros at about the same pace. Every other year or so depending on feature innovations.
Umm… I think its the one you mention first. Because during that period.. that was the biggest iPad to date and having a touch screen device at that scale was a big deal. And I believe it brought a sense of "imagine all the things we can do with this kind of device."
Not sure what you mean by the iPad would catch on more? Are you implying it hasn't? I mean... its the most popular tablet in the market. I think laptops have existed for so long... it has become the defacto choice when it comes to computing. I look at the iPad capable of doing 90% of the tasks a consumer needs is an accomplishment... given where it started. As time goes on, that gap will close.
Aside from Apple Pencil specific stuff, anything you could use an iPad for can be done with an iPhone or MacBook. I like my M1 iPad Pro for what it is, and I use it as my main device. But, since getting my iPhone 14 Pro (from a 12 mini) and using my partner’s MacBook Air, it’s been collecting more and more dust.
It’s a good consumption device, but that’s all it is for me right now. I use Photomator regularly, but that’s available on both my iPhone and the Mac now, the latter being a much better experience.
I don’t really see iPadOS 17 adding the much needed improvements - unless it can somehow run Mac apps, would be nice. But I’m definitely not expecting it - why would they release an iPad specific FCP if the Mac version can run on it in a few months?
As someone who primarily uses the iPad as a laptop, all it really is is just a less-capable, secondary laptop in Apple’s lineup. But, I know people who use theirs as a digital notebook, art pad, book/magazine reader.
I think I prefer iPadOS as it’s simpler, just wish it could do just a little bit more to keep it at least a little more in line with the Mac. And I’ve been saying that for years. I think my M1 iPad Pro will probably be my last until some kind of major thing draws me back.
It’s a good consumption device, but that’s all it is for me right now. I use Photomator regularly, but that’s available on both my iPhone and the Mac now, the latter being a much better experience.
I don’t really see iPadOS 17 adding the much needed improvements - unless it can somehow run Mac apps, would be nice. But I’m definitely not expecting it - why would they release an iPad specific FCP if the Mac version can run on it in a few months?
As someone who primarily uses the iPad as a laptop, all it really is is just a less-capable, secondary laptop in Apple’s lineup. But, I know people who use theirs as a digital notebook, art pad, book/magazine reader.
I think I prefer iPadOS as it’s simpler, just wish it could do just a little bit more to keep it at least a little more in line with the Mac. And I’ve been saying that for years. I think my M1 iPad Pro will probably be my last until some kind of major thing draws me back.
Sure, but then it’s just strange for him to be including the caveat “but this isn’t quite it”. It’s like, then what is Apple’s exact vision? Show/tell us that!
No, there’s no disputing that the iPad is incredibly successful compared to other tablets. I mean exactly what we both said, that people still use laptops more than iPads—and that it seems apparent by that quote “clearest vision of future of personal computing” that Apple’s goal wasn’t to be merely the best tablet; it was to eventually beat laptops, to become the de facto for consumers. But 8 years after that statement was made, the iPad still seems pretty far from doing that, again I believe for the reasons I stated. And again, I wonder if Jobs shared Cook’s ultimate goal from the beginning, or if the iPad has already achieved the ultimate goal he set out for it, or if his goal was somewhere in between. I kind of think somewhere in between, that it would be more indispensable for more people than it is. But who knows.
I'm not sure how true this statement is. I know in my family, my mom, aunt and uncle almost exclusively use the iPad. Granted, their computer use was always light, just emails, texts, FaceTime and looking at photos and videos. I and my partner use iPads plus desktop, no laptops at the moment. Yes, for certain types of tasks, a laptop is better suited than iPad, and that situation hasn't changed that much during the course of the iPad's existence. If you are a college student or office worker, the iPad has yet to replace your laptop. But that's just one kind of "people." There's a big group of people for whom the iPad is enough, and laptops are overkill.
Hard to say in the absence of real data - it's simply anecdotal. I have an M1 12.9, Mini 6, and Surface Pro 7 laptop and the laptop sees far and away more usage. My wife really likes her older Air 2 but uses her desktop most of the time. My sister and daughter both have iPads but use their laptops for most of what they do.
True, I assumed this was an agreed upon fact. It would be good to get actual data if possible. And to be clear, isolated numbers like “units shipped in 2022” alone wouldn’t tell the whole story. I think in the context of the quote “future of personal computing”, what we ultimately want to know are things like how many people own an iPad and no laptop; and for people who own both, how much percentage of personal usage is done on each device. I imagine it would be hard to find numbers for this kind of data though.
Actually, if we’re talking about non-job usage, I think large phones have become the future (present) of personal computing.
I am so confused as to why Apple with the ipad, at least one in every generation did not try and sell one with an SD card slot or and not using a dongle, that is just a silly idea, no HDMI port, and not SD card, when was the last time Apple really innovated? I seem to recall it was firewire 400 then 800, that was the last real innovation, Apple tried various iterations of cable, the "storm" range, lights and thunder, there should be an universal standard as this cuts down on the e-waste, and 2nd it encourages innovation, so that you know going in, all connectors are going to be the same, how to improve the points at which this cable connects to the device at either end..the on-board connections..
Apple clearly has not had much faith in the ipad, this shows as why should it have it's own OS, when it is now with the M1/2/3 a touchscreen Mac laptop, just has the keyboard separate from the screen..
I have found it really baffling that since the migration from Mototola [G series] to the Mac [Intel generation] and now M1/ [Silicon] Apple has never brought to market a battery bank, or eGpu [Blackmagic tried-chip shortage..no don't believe that to be true...]...
The ipad has been starved of development, and if it was more capable than it is now in 2023, it would have been more popular, but the lack of SD card support [no dongles] no HDMI, what the Ipad could have been is a video stream recorder, akin to the BlackMagic Video Assist, so that you could through HMDI, caputure a video stream, this is saved to the internal SSD, or an external Apple taxed SSD, then you you imovie/garageband/fcp on ipad..
Had the ipad been video capable 10 years ago, around 2013/2015, I am sure FCP on Ipad would have been viable...
This video shows what might have been had Apple paid attention, and what I believe could/rather shopuld have been the evolution of the ipad to the next obvious step in the range of the ipad...
If you add the ATEM Mini Pro ISO, connected to the ipad, OMG, insane raw power, you can cut live, record then edit...all on the ipad, and nope...Apple gave up...tragic case of what could have been...
At 1:29, "I was editing on a phone..." then cut to her editing on Resolve... That is where it all goes wrong from Apple's perspective, and right for Blackmagic, had Apple paid attention, then there would have been a reliable "micro NAS" that accepted 3 4 5 SD cards that could be connected to an ipad, and this NAS, allowed for bi directional editing, a compact small "dongle" that you could plug power into, that drives the dongle and supplies power to the ipad...
In the case of Daily Aus, I am pretty sure a couple of ipads would work so much better than a mac/HP running Resolve..and if it so requires, send the project off to the graphics or finishing editing...
Apple gave up on the ipad, that is very very obvious, as this video really speaks to what might have been... A collaboration with BlackMagic to engineer a compact 5 SD card reader with HDMI/USB/whatever to the ipad.. Maybe even include a small SSD of 500GB or 1 or 2 TB, for under $1000... thoughts really...
Apple clearly has not had much faith in the ipad, this shows as why should it have it's own OS, when it is now with the M1/2/3 a touchscreen Mac laptop, just has the keyboard separate from the screen..
I have found it really baffling that since the migration from Mototola [G series] to the Mac [Intel generation] and now M1/ [Silicon] Apple has never brought to market a battery bank, or eGpu [Blackmagic tried-chip shortage..no don't believe that to be true...]...
The ipad has been starved of development, and if it was more capable than it is now in 2023, it would have been more popular, but the lack of SD card support [no dongles] no HDMI, what the Ipad could have been is a video stream recorder, akin to the BlackMagic Video Assist, so that you could through HMDI, caputure a video stream, this is saved to the internal SSD, or an external Apple taxed SSD, then you you imovie/garageband/fcp on ipad..
Had the ipad been video capable 10 years ago, around 2013/2015, I am sure FCP on Ipad would have been viable...
This video shows what might have been had Apple paid attention, and what I believe could/rather shopuld have been the evolution of the ipad to the next obvious step in the range of the ipad...
If you add the ATEM Mini Pro ISO, connected to the ipad, OMG, insane raw power, you can cut live, record then edit...all on the ipad, and nope...Apple gave up...tragic case of what could have been...
At 1:29, "I was editing on a phone..." then cut to her editing on Resolve... That is where it all goes wrong from Apple's perspective, and right for Blackmagic, had Apple paid attention, then there would have been a reliable "micro NAS" that accepted 3 4 5 SD cards that could be connected to an ipad, and this NAS, allowed for bi directional editing, a compact small "dongle" that you could plug power into, that drives the dongle and supplies power to the ipad...
In the case of Daily Aus, I am pretty sure a couple of ipads would work so much better than a mac/HP running Resolve..and if it so requires, send the project off to the graphics or finishing editing...
Apple gave up on the ipad, that is very very obvious, as this video really speaks to what might have been... A collaboration with BlackMagic to engineer a compact 5 SD card reader with HDMI/USB/whatever to the ipad.. Maybe even include a small SSD of 500GB or 1 or 2 TB, for under $1000... thoughts really...
there is nothing to be confused about, this is good for their bottom line. No expansion means you need to overspend on storage etc if you want to "future proof" your device. Apple is not a charity, they are there to make as much profits as possible
You’re clearly overthinking this. At the same time mobile phones and iPhones in particular have wiped video recording devices from the mainstream consumer market. And all that without hdmi sockets and as card reader attachments.
I think the iPad "Pro" moniker and Apple's "What's a computer?" ads are throwing people off. In reality, the iPad Pro is a more luxurious and slightly more capable Chromebook machine. The animations are fun and smooth and you can do more things, like editing on Final Cut Pro, but who in their right mind would edit with their fingers or a pencil? Time is money and using such an inefficient tool for your work is questionable at best.
If we zoom out a bit, internally, Apple employees don't think highly of the iPad either. I knew someone who interned at Apple and they barely saw employees use iPads. Everyone worked on Macs. I think the executives are pushing it because iPadOS is a walled garden and more users mean more App Store revenue.
If we zoom out a bit, internally, Apple employees don't think highly of the iPad either. I knew someone who interned at Apple and they barely saw employees use iPads. Everyone worked on Macs. I think the executives are pushing it because iPadOS is a walled garden and more users mean more App Store revenue.
When Apple switched to Intel chips, there was the macbook, and the macbook pro, the macbook was plastic, and robust, for kids and students, the PRO, was aluminium and it had the ability to drop the battery, replace RAM, I assumed back then the P R O was for Professional...As one does assume without anyone correcting you....
Apple felt that the macbook in plastic was a bad idea, so came the macbook air, a wedge, and the PRO... now we have PRO stuck on everything...A bit like in the 1970's and early 80's every thing from cars to sunglasses to bikini's were labelled with a "TURBO" badge, as if the sun would tan you faster if you wore Turbo sunnies...
Apple ran out of ideas in the 1980's... Now just "Pro" it, no one cares.. If it was Pro it should have more options.. SD Card, HDMI, come with a dongle in the box...
Apple felt that the macbook in plastic was a bad idea, so came the macbook air, a wedge, and the PRO... now we have PRO stuck on everything...A bit like in the 1970's and early 80's every thing from cars to sunglasses to bikini's were labelled with a "TURBO" badge, as if the sun would tan you faster if you wore Turbo sunnies...
Apple ran out of ideas in the 1980's... Now just "Pro" it, no one cares.. If it was Pro it should have more options.. SD Card, HDMI, come with a dongle in the box...
What ARE you talking about? Millions use the iPad, it's a long way the most popular and successful tablet computer.
I don't think anyone is confused (outside of the people here and places like it, whom nitpick at the tiny things because THEY think theyre the only things that matter). Pro clearly means better features than non pro - it's a pretty universal truth with any device.
'What's a computer' is (unbelievably obviously) simply a question.. and considering that now, as opposed to not even ten years ago, when many make do with just a phone for general computing tasks - it should be very very obvious as a meaning. I mean it is to everyone, except for the seemingly 'in the know' and supposedly 'tech heads' of forums like these.
The millions of people that find an iPad more useful than a regular computer can counter each point that someone else makes as to why it's not as useful as a regular computer. So why keep on and on? Just let it go, and use what you want.
By the way, for a long time before the Apple Pencil and the iPad we have had graphics tablets - not to mention actual pencils for probably thousands of years before that. They're fairly useful devices. I assume I don't need to tel you how long we have been manipulating things with fingers for, do I?
What? Apple is the one confused about the PRO and how and where to use it.. I thought it meant PRO as the macbook was not pro [plastic] and PRO [not plastic] the PRO was better, and the adverts showed professionals using macbook PRO laptops, so without Apple confirming or denying..We can only assume... Yes making ass of u me..
Photo editing is more enjoyable on my iPad Pro than it is on either my iPhone or MacBook Pro.
Pro has always just been a fancy name referencing better specs compared to the lower tier model.
There are tons of people making a living with the aid of all different kinds of Apple products. Some even have the Pro sticker attached. The rest just carry on without a fancy marketing term.