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MP 7,1 Apple has lost the plot on the pro market
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I really do doubt there is gonna be any serious workstation class competitors from apple ever again. There is no money in it. Tim is not interested of it.
Sure there is going to be some stuff that is called Pro. I mean a lot of stuff that is going to be called Pro. Like it has been, and is as of today. Pro it is.
And that is it.
Sure there is going to be some stuff that is called Pro. I mean a lot of stuff that is going to be called Pro. Like it has been, and is as of today. Pro it is.
And that is it.
Yes and now. You are right that the limited selection of hardware makes it much easier for Apple to provide a stable platform, however there is no technical(!) reason why macOS couldn't have been certified for a selected number of 3rd party workstations (like the HP z Series). After all, this is what pretty much every workstation ISV does. And it wouldn't have negatively impacted the stability and reliability of the Mac platform (it probably would have increased it, considering how poor Apple hardware often is).
Besides, as others mentioned, Windows isn't really any worse in stability than macOS (and so is Linux), even less so on workstation-class hardware. The major issues with Windows aren't related with hardware, they are within the idiotic UI, the constant drive for user monetization through ads, lack of control (e.g. forced updates), the drop in quality control (which means quite often the forced updates brick your system), and the licensing nightmare.
On top of that, macOS isn't such a great experience when the hardware sucks. For example, when the only laptops that are available are a handful of models, all with poor connectivity and all made from soft aluminum, which is the opposite of what makes a great laptop for business use. Or when the only choice for a non-AIO desktop computer is between a measly Mac mini (which has its own hardware issues) or the excessively priced Mac Pro (a single processor computer with gamer graphics which costs almost as much as a dual processor HP z8 with professional-level Quadro graphics).
Yeah, I agree.
Pro is thrown about far too willy-nilly these days, iphone/ipad/earbud junk.
Isn't there a pro watch yet....
There seems to be Pro Users, and a lot them - like masses of them. You could say billions of Pro Users if you observed close enough. Paying Pro Users.
edit. I am buying and paying for an Apple Watch if there's gonna be blood sugar monitoring btw. That does not make me a Pro user though. (Apple Watch Pro.. hah.)
edit. I am buying and paying for an Apple Watch if there's gonna be blood sugar monitoring btw. That does not make me a Pro user though. (Apple Watch Pro.. hah.)
I did do my prognostications back then. It's gonna be a cube again.
I've got a couple of those for you through my times of predicting this.. sorry..
1st.
2nd.
It's gonna be a cube, one way or another. You can call it a cylinder too if you want. It just might be like that. It's gonna be a SoC. It costs a lot. No dGPU, no MemUPGD, No nVME, No upgrades like for ever. What did you think? But it will be called a Pro. That's what you all wanted, isn't it? (Pun intended)
I've got a couple of those for you through my times of predicting this.. sorry..
1st.
2nd.
It's gonna be a cube, one way or another. You can call it a cylinder too if you want. It just might be like that. It's gonna be a SoC. It costs a lot. No dGPU, no MemUPGD, No nVME, No upgrades like for ever. What did you think? But it will be called a Pro. That's what you all wanted, isn't it? (Pun intended)
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G4 cube - decorative appearance as the primary instead-of-design criteria - unreliable, overpriced failure.
Trashcan - decorative appearance as the primary instead-of-design criteria - unreliable, overpriced failure.
Definition of insanity...
Trashcan - decorative appearance as the primary instead-of-design criteria - unreliable, overpriced failure.
Definition of insanity...
I still a bit unsettled against the M series MBP and iMacs. Apple has better intel solutions then M-series solutions, that needs to change before you can consider what they might be capable of against Mac Pro's.
They made their choice. They will not serve the minorities of the computing nerds anymore. They are not willing to do that anymore. It's not anymore "the rest of us". It's more like "the all of us".
If I'd say it's totally understandable, how weird would that be?
If I'd say it's totally understandable, how weird would that be?
I'd like to see it.
The main reason for me to install Mojave would be the stability and if i'm not mistaken you'd still be depending on Cat or newer running VM...
This puts "Think Different" in a whole new perspective.....
There's literally no use-case for a "more powerful mac mini" - the only reason to get a non-iMac that's more than a Mac Mini, is to host hardware-reconfiguring expansion cards.
We know for a fact, that the "more than a Mac mini, with no PCI cards" paradigm failed, no one wanted it in any target market, it was bought begrudgingly, by virtue of being the only option available.
Take a look at this June 8th article
Even though the M1 has much better power efficiency, its score was 1711 look at Geekbench recent results for single-core Macs.
Intel Tiger Lake-U Core i7-1195G7 Outperforms Desktop CPUs In Latest Geekbench Single-Core Benchmark - wccftech
In the Geekbench benchmark which was spotted out by Videocardz, the Intel 11th Gen Tiger Lake-U Core i7-1195G7 had some pretty impressive results beating out desktop processors. In the single-core benchmark, the i7-1195G7 scored between 1662 to 1700 points. In the multi-core benchmark. the i7-1195G7 scored up to 6005 points.Even though the M1 has much better power efficiency, its score was 1711 look at Geekbench recent results for single-core Macs.
I am so afraid what Apple's gonna do with the PRO family of desktop Macs . I possibly would have to think about AMD Ryzen and Threadrippers seriously. And to the MS windows stuff as a bycome.
I hope you put the power button in the hardest to reach spot to stay true to form. Pro's love that kind of attention to detail.
If you want to top the Trashcan in this regard the next logical move would be to put it on the bottom and make it a pinhole you need a paperclip for to operate. Or consider putting it on the inside of the machine - easy enough but you can't open the case without disconnecting all the cables.
Food for thought!
Some people do actually want an upgradeable, very powerful and still silent machine that doesn't thermally throttle and doesn't blow hot air in the face of the coworker sitting on the other side of the table. Ideally with a range of affordable options when it comes to the monitor.
I 100% disagree. I don't want a Macpro (despite have trashcan) because it's too big and video orientated. Imac have built in screens, and i want to run (only) 2 x 5k 43" (which my trashcan does well (most of the time)). I do need decent rendering. And 64 GB for multiple instances of Archicad / indesign. Dont need it expandable, so long as I can configure to make it large enough (4TB) for the next 4-5 years. And I want to be able to pick it up & take it home every day.
The issue with Apple's 'pro-strategy' that many can't adjust to is that they're appealing to an elite or/and more demanding demographic, which has a lot more disposable income. I doubt very much they care about the volume of sales because the profit margin is that large that they can get away with it. The average Joe looks at a several hundred dollar Mac Pro and scratches their head, but a large movie studio, laboratory or audio producer won't think twice.
And in time this gap will only widen. The M-series chips will become stronger, meaning that the consumer product range will handle the majority of consumers tasks with ease. You only have look at how the M1 can handle Xcode projects and 4K video to see this.
And keep in mind that it was only two decades ago that you really did need a Power Mac just to complete specific tasks. Photoshop? The iMac, quite literally, over-heated and took forever to do basic things. Today, Apple's entry level Mac completes Photoshop tasks quicker than a Mac Pro...
Modularity and the largest scale projects will be the pulling factor of future pro machines, which I fear will become increasingly more expensive.
And in time this gap will only widen. The M-series chips will become stronger, meaning that the consumer product range will handle the majority of consumers tasks with ease. You only have look at how the M1 can handle Xcode projects and 4K video to see this.
And keep in mind that it was only two decades ago that you really did need a Power Mac just to complete specific tasks. Photoshop? The iMac, quite literally, over-heated and took forever to do basic things. Today, Apple's entry level Mac completes Photoshop tasks quicker than a Mac Pro...
Modularity and the largest scale projects will be the pulling factor of future pro machines, which I fear will become increasingly more expensive.
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Looks like an unforced error by Apple just confirmed another Intel-based Mac Pro soon.
www.macrumors.com
References to Intel's Latest Ice Lake SP Processors in Xcode 13 Beta Hint at Forthcoming Mac Pro Update
New Intel chips appropriate for a refreshed Mac Pro have been spotted in the Xcode 13 beta, and Bloomberg's Mark Gurman has confirmed that Apple...
www.macrumors.com
I don't see many ads on Windows. Maybe I have tuned them out or maybe I disabled the settings long ago and forgot about it. I run 10 Pro, I've simply told the machine to install security updates over the weekend and feature updates after 30 days. Often I'll install them sooner than that however.
I see plenty of ads on macOS and iOS - begging me to redeem my free year of AppleTV Plus or Apple Arcade Plus or Apple Moonbat News Plus or the Tips app wanting to show me a walkthrough. Every time I launch the Music app it wants me to sign up for Apple Music. I turn the Apple Music setting in particular off every few months (I have no intention of ever subscribing, I would use a different jukebox but I want to sync my music files to my phone and this is the only way we can do it because Apple thinks a file system is scary) but it always seems to come back.
And wasn't it Apple that enabled the root account on my Mac with no password not long ago? How's that for poor QC?
In short I have my qualms with both operating systems. But I will say that over the past let's say 3-5 years, I have had fewer issues with Windows than I have with macOS. The problems with macOS I've had are mostly related to Apple moving too fast for it's own good. Software vendors can't catch up to their quick pace. And hardware that is still plenty good for it's uses is obsoleted because Apple doesn't want to support it anymore. A 2012 5K iMac is still a perfectly good machine but you can't install Big Sur on it.
Maybe in the Pro version there are few but in the Home version its a mess of ads.
There are plenty of ads on windows, here just some places where you can find them:
Login screen - why? just why?
Start menu
Microsoft Store
xbox app
Notification Centre
ADS IN SETTINGS. Telling me to login to BING and MS account
Phone app(attached below)
ONEDRIVE - telling me to use it or login to onedrive is stupid
ADS IN FILE EXPLOER( attached below) - This one boils me mad.
Yes, Apple does have ads in macOS but not as much Windows.
Yes that happened in 2017 and Apple did patch it up. Yea, I DID NOT like that.
Please don't talk about Apple QC when comparing with Microsoft QC. Apple can be incompetent and stupid sometimes
but oh boy MS QC is horrible.
Windows Latest
Windows 10 KB5001330 issues: FPS drop, system crashes
Users are reporting game crashes, graphical stuttering and huge drops in frame rates, but the problem can be resolved by manually uninstalling ...
1 month ago
This is a recent article that listed out Windows 10 issues:
KB5001330 issues:
- Blue Screen of Death (system crashes, boot loop)
- Temporary user profile bug.
- FPS drops
- Nvidia told users to not to update to that version because of severe issues.
Windows 10 update KB5003173 causing USB port, Outlook mail, performance issues & also fails to install for some | WinCentral (thewincentral.com)
Here's another one, they are pretty recent too.
All I am saying is no body is perfect.
Been the opposite for me I switched to Linux on my desktop because windows 10 so bad in terms of performance
and I got fed up will all the broken updates. MS updates every 2 weeks its so annoying.
Yes I know on Windows 10 Pro you can disable updates but I want my security fixes.
Also the fact you have to pay for a version of Windows that disables updates is so 2010.
On macOS I can disable updates without paying for a "Pro" version.
I am on Big Sur and so far most of my apps have caught up but the ones that haven't still work fine.
Simple reason is they want to move all their macs to Apple Silicon (expect the Intel Mac Pro, thats going to supported for a long time). That's why in macOS 12 dropped for mid 2013 and 2014 MacBooks pro.
I think Apple wants to utilise the special hardware such the Neural Engine and ML in macOS as quickly as it can.
In macOS 12 some features are M1 only and this further proves my point.
For example, the Live Text works only on M1 macs as it uses dedicated hardware on the M1 to process the information.
You still can patch the 2012 iMac with Big Sur via other methods.
