It’s amusing to me how some ppl discount bug reports (and make accusations of media fabrication, etc.), simply on the basis that their own phone hasn’t been affected.
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Apple iOS 12.1.2 Has A Serious Problem
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Yeah. When these things pop up and I am not affected I just count myself as one of the lucky ones!
I'm not discounting them, I'm just saying that if this were a widespread problem, we'd be hearing a lot more about it here and Apple Stores would be mobbed.
What's interesting is that there are TWO iOS 12.1.2's floating around there, one of them is 16C101 the other is 16C104. You only get 16C104 if you update with iTunes; you still get 16C101 if you update OTA.
Maybe there's an issue, but so few people are affected that Apple is telling people who are affected to use iTunes to update to 16C104, and not releasing that OTA to avoid annoying the tiny number of people affected with a second update in a row.
Just a hunch.
I’ve had a lot of problems with the update. From the random No Service message to No SIM with the Invalid SIM pop up.
Very frustrating having to reboot the phone every couple hours.
Very frustrating having to reboot the phone every couple hours.
Again mainly referencing the same Forbes article and some Twitter activity.
And, again, that is certainly not to say that some might not be experiencing it, just that it doesn't appear to be some huge widespread thing that Forbes usually makes out pretty much any update to have (essentially doing nothing more than crying wolf in vast majority of the cases and undermining any actual potentially useful information about an actually widespread issue that might really surface at one point).
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Most of that isn't happening actually. Most of the commentary related to that is actually on the unnecessary extremes, absolutes, and hyperbole when it comes to it all, and how it often enough serves to undermine anything actually serious.
But then again, going down that path, it's amusing how some people overlook a lot of what's actually said and simply pigeonhole various responses into something that just fits a narrative.
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There's a difference between that and the typical "the sky is falling" type of narrative that is being sold over and over again. That's basically a big part of the issue with it all.
There's "Apple iOS 12.1.2 has a serious problem" and then there's "iOS 12.1.2 update might affect cellular data for some". Kind of speaks for itself (especially when you factor in that the same headline, with "serious problem" sometimes being interchanged with "nasty surprise", being used essentially with every update).
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I installed ios 12.1.2 (first version) the release day via iTunes, so far no issues with it, however if i connect the devices to iTunes right now the software is telling me there's still a 12.1.2 firmware update available...guess i should skip it....
They released an updated build, offered only via iTunes. Sounds like in your case it won't really make much of a difference one way or another as you already have 12.1.2 running.
I experienced it on my iPhone 8. Full bars, LTE and no data. Had to reboot.
Loss of cellular data is a “serious problem” for those affected. There’s no way to know how widespread the issue is — as the Forbes piece acknowledges — but the article includes quotes / links to numerous tweets from the U.S. & India to support its claims of widespread Twitter complaints.
The writer’s language may be somewhat hyperbolic in spots (users “blindly upgrade”; reports are “flooding in,” etc.); and the advice not to upgrade may (or may not) be extreme... but, well, that’s the Internet in 2018. Perhaps if/when MacRumors publishes an article on the issue, they will use the more measured language that you prefer!
When the same hyperbolic language is used repeatedly for essentially every update over and over that effectively almost exponentially amplifies all of that. This very thread could have easily still commented on it all without the unnecessary support (even if perhaps unintentional in some sense) of that type of hyperbole. "That's the Internet" isn't really an excuse, and if anything, it's more of a problem statement.
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Kelly has done it even with 12.1.1
https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordon...em-4g-cellular-data-not-working/#45cfd80450e3
This guy is basically an idiot and a troll and his favourite word is "nasty". Browse the title of his "articles" for the last few months.
nasty surprise: https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordon...em-4g-cellular-data-not-working/#45cfd80450e3
more nasty surprises: https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordon...eals-ipad-tmobile-walmart-sales/#15d43c116eea
If there was a widespread issue with the update this forum would be flooded with messages.
Forbes is basically clickbait garbage and made up bull*hit.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordon...em-4g-cellular-data-not-working/#45cfd80450e3
This guy is basically an idiot and a troll and his favourite word is "nasty". Browse the title of his "articles" for the last few months.
nasty surprise: https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordon...em-4g-cellular-data-not-working/#45cfd80450e3
more nasty surprises: https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordon...eals-ipad-tmobile-walmart-sales/#15d43c116eea
If there was a widespread issue with the update this forum would be flooded with messages.
Forbes is basically clickbait garbage and made up bull*hit.
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There are some messages in the T-Mobile support forums that **might** refer to an issue with cellular data; however, all of the users are also sorting eSIM v physical SIM and it is hard to tell whether it is an issue with cellular data in general or a problem with understanding what the users have undertaken with early adoption of eSIM capabilities.
They could be switching between cellular plans too quickly and not considering the effects, and I am not sure I can trust their reports completely.
I am on 12.1.3 with an XS Max and dual SIM turned on, and three cellular plans on one iPhone.
On one single occasion, I drew the XS Max out of my coat pocket and noticed that neither cellular plan had a signal, but both plans had a signal by the time I even got my other hand on the device to do anything.
I have not noticed a duplication of the anomaly since and the recovery on that one occasion was so quick that it didn’t even occur to me to report it as a bug.
They could be switching between cellular plans too quickly and not considering the effects, and I am not sure I can trust their reports completely.
I am on 12.1.3 with an XS Max and dual SIM turned on, and three cellular plans on one iPhone.
On one single occasion, I drew the XS Max out of my coat pocket and noticed that neither cellular plan had a signal, but both plans had a signal by the time I even got my other hand on the device to do anything.
I have not noticed a duplication of the anomaly since and the recovery on that one occasion was so quick that it didn’t even occur to me to report it as a bug.
Don’t worry about nayers. They can’t tell the difference. Let them blow their data.
I scrolled back thru the thread and can’t find the “unnecessary support” for the hyperbole that you’re complaining of. On the contrary — the handful of posters citing the article seem measured and are including caveats; while those on the other side are essentially crying “Fake news!” and trying to dismiss the idea that the issue could exist at all, by attacking the sources of the reports.
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The very title of the thread does it by simply repeating the hyperbole. It's already skewed before anyone even gets into the thread to read it.
I think, sir, that you might be trolling us. I don't see any other reason to start a thread here referencing a notorious clickbait and discredited source for a supposed issue that by the way you are not experiencing (nor the majority of the users on this forum) and insisting to make an argument that totally lacks merit.
The Forbes article includes links to over 40 reports gathered via Twitter; unless you’ve investigated and “discredited” the Twitter accts. by showing them to be Samsung sock puppets or something, I don’t follow your point. IMO, the ones who are “trolling” are those who insist on dismissing the reports simply because they’re not personally experiencing the problem.
My take on what's wrong with this article.
- The title is worded in a way to draw in readers without attempting to categorize the problem that the article focuses on. This raises my "clickbait" flag.
- The writer attempts to support the current article by linking to previous articles that were also written by him. The support would have held more weight had he linked to articles written by known techies.
- The writer uses language that suggests that the state of iOS 12.1.2 was already bad prior to writing the article - implied bias.
I'm going to stop reading the article right there because I can already tell where it's headed. All I hear from the first two paragraphs of this article is Chicken Little screaming that the sky is falling.
I don't believe what I read on any format where a 10 year old with a computer can post anything they want without requiring them to show proof (that's.. well, all of social media?).
It's not skewed at all. The problem is certainly very serious for those who are experiencing it. Just because you and I are not affected by it, does not mean anything.
It also doesn't mean that everyone would be experiencing a serious issue with the upgrade, which is what the clickbait article title tries to imply and what the thread title carries on as well, as has been demonstrated before.
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Is that what's actually happening, or people mostly pointing out the unfortunate "cry wolf" nature of the article that such articles and the author themselves have created, and simply framing the issue in a more realistic way rather an unnecessarily (aside from basically clickbait) hyperbolic way.
Interesting stuff from Forbes over the last year, everything that shows up in my newsfeed from them RE is totally negative news, everything.
I am done reading anything from them regarding apple.
I am done reading anything from them regarding apple.
Ok, the hundreds(Forbes own words) that have been effected is hardly considered serious. If a few hundred caught the flu and the rest of the population wasn’t effected would you consider it a serious outbreak?
Let's remember to the troll here that Apple has 750+ million active iphone base of which about 75% should be running IOS 12. I appreciate that forty people maybe had a problem according to twitter but if just 1% of the installed base "had a serious problem with ios 12.1.2" there will be a thread of hundreds of pages on this forum.