Drop in a US McDs mid-morning when the retired crowd hangs out. Tons of flip phones!
You'll be there one day, kid.
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iPhone X Apple is losing its mainstream, non-fan core with the X
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You'll be there one day, kid.
Yea well I’m part of that retired crowd and I have a X. Not all retired people have flip phones.worked all my life put two kids through college with only a high school education. I take that as an insult.
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Who said all? I'm 68 and use several models of iOS and Android phones - and write apps for them. Still, look around McDs sometime. Lots of flip phones among the older set, even if you and I don't have one.
Well I’m the same age as you and if anyone would know it should be you and I that not all retired people can have high dollar phones.if I read you wrong I apologize.
Hey, Dave, I didn't say mine were high dollar. No X for me.
I'm guessing, though, that the 80-something I see with a flip phone is perfectly happy with it and sees no need to change. Hope I'm still using any phone by then!. Bought the X because I’m a iPhone freak. Shouldn’t have though,it’s pretty salty. Just really like this tech. Sorry if I p——- you off. One day I too may go back to flip phone.Used to really like my old razor.ha ha!
Sorry I derailed the thread over to flip phones, but it is a little germane to the OP's premise of the latest batch of iPhones lacking mojo:
Each of us has our own use case and buy phones accordingly, within our threshhold of financial comfort. For the 80-yr-old who only makes phone calls, it's hard to argue that a flip phone isn't the best phone for him. A flip phone is faster and easier for simple phone calls for any of us. Similarly, for someone (like me) who only wants a phone for surfing (reading), texts, email, and rare phone calls, but no video or music streaming, the latest round of phones do nothing more than previous models - why upgrade? The gamers, Netflix addicts, and phone enthusiasts are always going to want the latest, fastest, coolest models.
The question becomes how big this last field is, and how much can technology continue to leap year after year. Or, even, how can these latest features increase my joy and use of a phone, versus their being novelties soon to wear off.
Each of us has our own use case and buy phones accordingly, within our threshhold of financial comfort. For the 80-yr-old who only makes phone calls, it's hard to argue that a flip phone isn't the best phone for him. A flip phone is faster and easier for simple phone calls for any of us. Similarly, for someone (like me) who only wants a phone for surfing (reading), texts, email, and rare phone calls, but no video or music streaming, the latest round of phones do nothing more than previous models - why upgrade? The gamers, Netflix addicts, and phone enthusiasts are always going to want the latest, fastest, coolest models.
The question becomes how big this last field is, and how much can technology continue to leap year after year. Or, even, how can these latest features increase my joy and use of a phone, versus their being novelties soon to wear off.
These "top notch" iPhone designs will probably still sell about nearly a half billion combined. Maybe 300M minimum since Apple has iOS all to itself.
Thanks, iPod. It set the table for third-party accessories ecosystem. An ecosystem within the ecosystem.
I remember when Apple used to reach for the stars. Now they only reach for your wallet.
https://www.theverge.com/2017/2/21/14691586/apple-ecosystem-walls-nilay-patel-show-notes
APPLE’S ECOSYSTEM WALLS KEEP GETTING HIGHER
Thanks, iPod. It set the table for third-party accessories ecosystem. An ecosystem within the ecosystem.
I remember when Apple used to reach for the stars. Now they only reach for your wallet.
https://www.theverge.com/2017/2/21/14691586/apple-ecosystem-walls-nilay-patel-show-notes
APPLE’S ECOSYSTEM WALLS KEEP GETTING HIGHER
- Dieter reviewed Android Wear 2.0 with an iPhone, and found that it just isn’t very good. Basically everywhere Google couldn’t get access to something on the iPhone — iMessage, for instance — it tried to build the entire feature into the watch. Messy!
- Apple has some weird incentives around the iPhone right now — as sales taper off, the company has publicly said the next plan is to extract more revenue from every iPhone owner. Part of that is services like Apple Music, but another big part of that is the huge iPhone accessory market — and Apple is setting itself up so that its own products have major advantages over everyone else.
- Take headphones, for example: Sean O’Kane reviewed the new Doppler Labs Hear One wireless earbuds and found that they sound better than AirPods, but have some frustrating Bluetooth issues.
- No one else has access to the simplified pairing and management APIs Apple uses to make the AirPods and other Apple W1 products work better on iOS, so if you want the simplest wireless headphones to use with Apple products, you have to buy Apple. If you’re Doppler Labs and you come up with a killer competitor to the W1, you’re still stuck with Bluetooth, unless you convince Apple to open up the new API hooks in iOS and macOS so your chip can use them, too.
- In another era, Doppler Labs would solve this problem by shipping a custom driver for Windows or Mac, but none of that is allowed on iOS. How do headphone manufacturers compete in a world where Apple doesn’t have a clear incentive to make standard Bluetooth work as well as its custom W1 Bluetooth experience?
- Same with wearables: the killer features for wearables are basically fitness tracking and notifications. Apple won’t ever let anyone else touch iMessage replies, so the only wearable worth buying if you’re an iPhone owner interested in a smartwatch is the Apple Watch. Fitbit might struggle along with its popular fitness trackers as long as they’re better at fitness features than the Apple Watch, but the company’s hazy ambitions to take on the smartwatch market are eventually going to hit a brick wall made of Apple API restrictions.
- In a world where Apple sells around the same number of phones every year, it’s more important than ever that the company increase sales of high-margin services and accessories. And if the two most expensive hardware accessories for a phone are headphones and some kind of wearable, Apple is in a position to make sure it has significant advantages over any potential competitor.
- It’s great to say that everyone else should just compete, but if you can’t get Apple to update iOS to support whatever new wireless thing you invent, it might as well not exist for an iPhone owner. This has already happened once before: there are tons of Bluetooth headphones out there that support better-quality aptX audio, but iOS doesn’t support it, so... yeah.
Agreed.
Hell I still see iPhone 5s (or below maybe) out in the wild. I saw a guy at the bar a few days ago who had to have been a construction contractor of some sort using his iPhone 4/5/5s conducting business with it. To me that feels like a dinosaur and I'd be miserable. To him, he's probably disconnected from tech and it does the job and what it needs from him. Somewhat jealous of those people in a way (lol) don't have to spend $1k yearly on a new phone, track FedEx shipments every October, examine their new phone and involved in MacRumor minutiae on a daily basis.
Yesterday I met some old friends, one of them has an X. After "on-hand", rest of us agree that it is not worth about 1300$ for a 64Gb X, it is crazy. My friend said that FaceID in his X only works 95%.
Tell your friend to re-do their FaceID setup. My first one was flawless out of the gate...my replacement didn't seem as reliable, so I reset it. Much faster and more reliable now.
I think it's possible that there are better methods to doing the setup that Apple should have shared. (eg. try to keep your facial expressions neutral while you're doing it).
When I got the X at a store, two other Apple sales folks were right beside the first, trying to sell me screen cover and wireless charging dock, felt like I was mobbed. (I have since returned the phone, screen too narrow for video, my nagging feeling they will redesign the notch next year to be smaller.. ).
Last year at this time an Apple store employee cheerfully hand fit a screen protector to my 6s. Yesterday I came in for my SE. The employee told me with a straight face that no one knows how to do it anymore, as they bought a Belkin machine that does it for them. You just have to buy a $35-40 belkin screen protector and they will cheerfully put it on.
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Out of about 15 employees, I'm the only one with an iPhone. Everyone else has Samsungs or other phones. I bought a 7+ about two weeks ago and have been using it but I frequently show up with an SE, 6S+ or a Note 8.
I've never seen anyone with an iPhone X. I've never even seen one except for pics and vids on the net.
Hoping this goes with the grain of this thread so here goes.
I suspect I have bought my last iPhone. I just went from an SE/6S to an 8 a week ago and in all honesty, I am somehow diappointed. Hear me out.
The only thing I got for my money was a faster iPhone when I use an app. But if I honestly look at my overall iPhone usage, I only use apps for 5% of my usage. Yes that means i use my iPhone to make/receive calls 95%+ of the time. Being retired and on a fixed income, which is under constant attack it seems, my priorities are shifting to economics and an iPhone, for me, isn't a good use of my money.
Now, I understand that folks like me constitute MAYBE 1% of the installed user base. So me and my ilk no longer buying a new iPhone every 1-2 years wont even show up as a wrinkle on Apples bottom line. Where our influence lies is only in our social circles where folks like me are asked about our thoughts on iphones vs non iphones vs flip phones.
I think what is going to happen is i am going to keep my SE, and my 6S as a backup or use them kind of like iPods (the SE).
There are other concerns also like the miserable last 3 months or so of Apples stumbles with iOS and MacOS. Terrible times. No updated headless computers, and mainly, i think, Apple is going to go the route of everybody else and going to a subscription model.
Essentially, I can't afford to stay current with Apple. it was a good run but I think I'm done.
I suspect I have bought my last iPhone. I just went from an SE/6S to an 8 a week ago and in all honesty, I am somehow diappointed. Hear me out.
The only thing I got for my money was a faster iPhone when I use an app. But if I honestly look at my overall iPhone usage, I only use apps for 5% of my usage. Yes that means i use my iPhone to make/receive calls 95%+ of the time. Being retired and on a fixed income, which is under constant attack it seems, my priorities are shifting to economics and an iPhone, for me, isn't a good use of my money.
Now, I understand that folks like me constitute MAYBE 1% of the installed user base. So me and my ilk no longer buying a new iPhone every 1-2 years wont even show up as a wrinkle on Apples bottom line. Where our influence lies is only in our social circles where folks like me are asked about our thoughts on iphones vs non iphones vs flip phones.
I think what is going to happen is i am going to keep my SE, and my 6S as a backup or use them kind of like iPods (the SE).
There are other concerns also like the miserable last 3 months or so of Apples stumbles with iOS and MacOS. Terrible times. No updated headless computers, and mainly, i think, Apple is going to go the route of everybody else and going to a subscription model.
Essentially, I can't afford to stay current with Apple. it was a good run but I think I'm done.
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I felt the same way. The 8 would be a good upgrade for an iPhone 6 user. For my 6s, the 8 plus has a better screen for video use and a better camera so is somewhat tempting. But I think Apple knew they did not have enough sizzle in the lineup and they couldn't afford to wait a year for the iPhone X to be refined; that is why they released "the future" iPhone X today.
I think the $799 or whatever 2018 LCD iPhone with the edge to edge screen will ultimately be the model that gets a lot of casual fans into the new, Face ID world
congratulations for proving my point for the 437th timeI have over 100 people working in my company, not one has ordered an iPhone X. Its easy to make stats work for your argument.
I guess that’s better than saying half the weird people at my business have the X
[doublepost=1513378920][/doublepost]4 weeks ago I didn’t see 1 othe X on the trains in and out of Boston.
The last week I am seeing more and more X’s.
Just look for air pods and most likely there will be an X in hand. (generalization)
Watch 3 walk out the door tonight during my visit at the Apple store tonight.
