iPhone X Apple is losing its mainstream, non-fan core with the X

[Applejuiced]

Cold, hard truth eh? Minimal bezel isn’t a “gimmick”. Don’t know what you’re using a smartphone for but I use mine for the convenience of a computer in a pocket. Maximizing screen size in as little physical space isn’t a gimmick, it’s the holy grail for smartphones. Unless you prefer brick forms with tiny screens. Animoji is a gimmick to show off technical abilities. Speaking of which, FaceID isn’t a gimmick either. Alternative of a TouchID in the back and unnaturally contorting my hand is kind of ridiculous for unlocking a hundred times a day.

You don't maximize anything when you put out an uneven screen with a notch cut out on top.
And you put out a screen that's narrow and long.
That's a pointless attempt to remove a bezel just to be different but with impractical use.
Nobody wanted a taller and thinner phone

 

[Applejuiced]

Well, a simple look at their posting history tells the story, so you're right. Could have been, from the sound of it.

Or maybe they have different likes, uses or preferences than you?
There's many posters here that own androids. And also use macs and other iOS devices.
They're all paid by Samsung?

 

[thesaint024]

You don't maximize anything when you put out an uneven screen with a notch cut out on top.
And you put out a screen that's narrow and long.
That's a pointless attempt to remove a bezel just to be different but with impractical use.
Nobody wanted a taller and thinner phone

Um ok. Maximizing screen size is unrelated to the aesthetics of the notch or the aspect ratio. But since you're reaching for things to hate on, I don't think it's pointless to have more screen real estate regardless of aspect ratio. I personally don't watch movies often on my phone, I use it for content, like reading emails, news, etc. The more info you can put on a screen is quite useful and hardly pointless. When I do watch a movie, I don't have a conniption fit when the notch is visible. The fact that the notch is there is a necessary evil, but only the most symmetrical minded people let it bother them for more than a day. There's a point to taller and thinner, more screen yet still fits in most people's single hand. I'd say this is all ergonomically reasonable and purposeful. This is why I have never owned a plus phone, but I don't go around telling the world that the plus is the worst phone in history, or that it's a indication that Apple has lost it's way. Don't know why it's hard to believe that this actually suits some people like me. For those that it doesn't, good thing you have 14 days and so many other choices.

 

[nordique]

I’m the only person I know with an X


Most of the people I know in my circles (health care) have iPhones but have chosen to stick with or purchase the older models or the 8/8+

 

[Steve686]

The X seems to be appealing to the core fan base, but so many people I know are either sticking with their current iPhone or going to another phone vendor. In our office not a single person out of 30 is remotely interested in the X. Of these, about 3/4 are iPhone users. Five of those (including me) have switched to an S8 or Note 8. In past years, there was a palpable excitement about the new phones. This round has fallen very flat. Where does Apple go from here? Yes, the X is selling well overall, but Apple is losing its mojo and edge as they slowly run out of ideas. Are the exciting days gone? Is the iPhone just another phone to most people outside of the fan base?

It’d be great to hear any samples why your office isn’t “remotely interested” in the X.

Demographics plays a big part and I’m genuinely interested in your office’s demographics.

 

[kp98077]

The X seems to be appealing to the core fan base, but so many people I know are either sticking with their current iPhone or going to another phone vendor. In our office not a single person out of 30 is remotely interested in the X. Of these, about 3/4 are iPhone users. Five of those (including me) have switched to an S8 or Note 8. In past years, there was a palpable excitement about the new phones. This round has fallen very flat. Where does Apple go from here? Yes, the X is selling well overall, but Apple is losing its mojo and edge as they slowly run out of ideas. Are the exciting days gone? Is the iPhone just another phone to most people outside of the fan base?

what part of the country? yeah that seems bad
[doublepost=1512451287][/doublepost]Seattle here, they can't keep them in stock ANYWHERE, and most i work with have the X or 8 PLUS. I must say being stuck with no computer large part of the day today and just the X in a medical clinical i was SOOOO surprised how much on that little powerful phone i got done. Mainly because it was easy to handle, and speedy. I was very impressed compared to how bulky and cumbersome it was with my 7 Plus and then my hands hurt after! X workflow reminds my of the old blackberrys, just work horses.... and after that 5hrs of intense work, editing etc. I have 59 percent battery! I am a happy man!

 

[pika2000]

Some users will go, new users will come. It's the nature of any platform.
I do know people that really use their phones for work wants consistency and minimal learning curve when getting new phones. These people will stick to one platform/manufacturer. Now comparing all the different manufacturers, Apple is arguably the most consistent one in terms of user experience.

 

[riverfreak]

Agreed. And to be clear, it's not just Apple. It's Samsung and all the rest too. Smartphones can't do anything different anymore. Texts, phone calls, web browsing, games, social media. ZZzzz. Oh, remember "the internet of things"? LOL. That's the same thing as the HDTV manufacturers trying to force 3D on us.

From the financial perspective, this is what happens in the electronics industry, it's been this way for decades. When a technology matures the hardware manufacturers stop worrying about market share and batten down the hatches and make it all about maximizing profitability. Apple must be making 5x on an iPhone 8 as they did on an iPhone 5 with the subsidies ending. Can't say I blame them.

You’re joking about IoT, right? It’s only driving just about everything in computing these days with embedded sensors everywhere generating massive amounts of data and new ML workflows for processing and analyzing.

 

[rjp1]

I work in an office of 57 people and they all have iPhones and we’ve bought a total of 465 iPhone X’s. We have had our neighbors complain daily that it sounds like a bee hive, because of all the buzzing.

 

[dk001]

I work in an office of 57 people and they all have iPhones and we’ve bought a total of 465 iPhone X’s. We have had our neighbors complain daily that it sounds like a bee hive, because of all the buzzing.

So you each bought 8 iPhone X’s?

 

[rjp1]

So you each bought 8 iPhone X’s?

Damn, he did the math.

 

[Deeds500]

Nobody saw it happening when London overtook Rome many years ago as the biggest city in tbe world.

And nobody is seeing now that Android is slowly overtaking ios as the superior platform.

Like a lot of Apple diehards in this thread alone, Apple is taking for granted what people want in an ios device in 2017 and taking for granted the offerings of Android relative to ios.

Sales may be going well for Apple at the moment but if Apple keeps up the incremental change appraoch, they will start losing ground. Every year Android becomes more and more refined. The days of poking stick at Android for being a disjointed, laggy and malware prone software are long gone. People who still assert that today are stuck in 2012. Things change, except Apple's philosophy of increnental change. London overtook Rome and Android is catching up to ios.

Incremental change won't get you more market share, but continued refined improvement and added features which add to the user experience will.

I give it 10 years before Apple loses its crown as the smartphone king. Look at what happened to Nokia. Things change.

This is based largely on what happens with these bendable screens both Apple and Samsung are working on. How each approach it will go a long way to deciding who is the biggest seller in a decade's time. Knowing Apple, it will build a fold out screen device to simply mimmick an ipad-like screen. Think Plus model which really didn't offer anything to take advantage of the extra real estate other than offer extra real estate. And knowing Samsung, it will do a lot more than that, it will be Note 8ish-like where the wow factors will be through the roof.

Apple, you've been warned, change your approach or be the next Nokia within 10 years time.

 

[Breezygirl]

Nobody saw it happening when London overtook Rome many years ago as the biggest city in tbe world.

And nobody is seeing now that Android is slowly overtaking ios as the superior platform.

Like a lot of Apple diehards in this thread alone, Apple is taking for granted what people want in an ios device in 2017 and taking for granted the offerings of Android relative to ios.

Sales may be going well for Apple at the moment but if Apple keeps up the incremental change appraoch, they will start losing ground. Every year Android becomes more and more refined. The days of poking stick at Android for being a disjointed, laggy and malware prone software are long gone. People who still assert that today are stuck in 2012. Things change, except Apple's philosophy of increnental change. London overtook Rome and Android is catching up to ios.

Incremental change won't get you more market share, but continued refined improvement and added features which add to the user experience will.

I give it 10 years before Apple loses its crown as the smartphone king. Look at what happened to Nokia. Things change.

This is based largely on what happens with these bendable screens both Apple and Samsung are working on. How each approach it will go a long way to deciding who is the biggest seller in a decade's time. Knowing Apple, it will build a fold out screen device to simply mimmick an ipad-like screen. Think Plus model which really didn't offer anything to take advantage of the extra real estate other than offer extra real estate. And knowing Samsung, it will do a lot more than that, it will be Note 8ish-like where the wow factors will be through the roof.

Apple, you've been warned, change your approach or be the next Nokia within 10 years time.

Or Blackberry.

 

[1rottenapple]

Smartphone craze ia waning. Most of the features are really gimmicks.

New way to unlock your phone
Taller display
Curved display
Bezel-less display
Animoji
Dual lens

You know what are underrated features? Google's computational photography focusing on only one lens and Pixels' 24/7 customer support where you don't need to call or go to your carrier or retail store for answers. Apple's underrated products are AirPods.

Nothing lasts forever. Remember, AOL?

Yeah I agree. Nothing last forever that's true. All phones these days from LG, One Plus, Samsung, HTC, Apple are pretty good! Its not like 4 years ago where there was big differences in camera or screen. All high end phones are pretty much great phones. Its a matter or IOS or Android. Pros and cons abound on both sides. My parents stick to IOS cause they're used to it, and my cousins love galaxy phones cause theyre used to it. Most phones have great cameras, great screens, great functionality, good battery, etc... My friends stick to iPhones cause... they're used to it.

I do find it interesting that I haven't seen the X yet at work... Usually apple iphones when released spreads like wildfire.

 

[Another Day]

What’s the average salary at your office?

At my firm ~90% has the X and the rest has the note 8.

 

[maka344]

In my office out of my current team of 6 - 3 of us have the X.

I’ve seen an additional two and we are a department of 130.
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What’s the average salary at your office?

At my firm ~90% has the X and the rest has the note 8.

Average salary of my office location is 100k. I work in London’s Wall Street.

 

[44267547]

18 employees here. Nobody has the X.

In fact, I'm the only one, with the 8 Plus, who doesn't have either the 7/7 Plus or a Samsung.

That's how it is when you're a CNC machinist in a shop full of guys working in metal fabrication. .

Weird, half the people at my business have the iPhone X.

Look exactly at how these two post(s) contradict each other. One individual is saying that he works in a metal fabrication shop and he's the only one with an iPhone 8+ With no one else having anything newer.

And another member who works in the technology related field, and half of the people have the iPhone X they are aware of. So there is no real definitive answer as to how you can correlate how often someone sees the iPhone X or not just based on ones chosen field. Which also really isn't any type of real Metric to show how popular the iPhone X is or is not.

But the reality is, the iPhone X is very expensive and likely wouldn't be the first choice based on somebody's price point. But it all depends if somebody wants the latest device or if they are content with what they currently have or are using for a smart phone.

 

[1rottenapple]

Status symbol that's for sure.

 

[maka344]

Nobody saw it happening when London overtook Rome many years ago as the biggest city in tbe world.

And nobody is seeing now that Android is slowly overtaking ios as the superior platform.

Like a lot of Apple diehards in this thread alone, Apple is taking for granted what people want in an ios device in 2017 and taking for granted the offerings of Android relative to ios.

Sales may be going well for Apple at the moment but if Apple keeps up the incremental change appraoch, they will start losing ground. Every year Android becomes more and more refined. The days of poking stick at Android for being a disjointed, laggy and malware prone software are long gone. People who still assert that today are stuck in 2012. Things change, except Apple's philosophy of increnental change. London overtook Rome and Android is catching up to ios.

Incremental change won't get you more market share, but continued refined improvement and added features which add to the user experience will.

I give it 10 years before Apple loses its crown as the smartphone king. Look at what happened to Nokia. Things change.

This is based largely on what happens with these bendable screens both Apple and Samsung are working on. How each approach it will go a long way to deciding who is the biggest seller in a decade's time. Knowing Apple, it will build a fold out screen device to simply mimmick an ipad-like screen. Think Plus model which really didn't offer anything to take advantage of the extra real estate other than offer extra real estate. And knowing Samsung, it will do a lot more than that, it will be Note 8ish-like where the wow factors will be through the roof.

Apple, you've been warned, change your approach or be the next Nokia within 10 years time.

I agreed however, they won’t quite be the new Nokia, they have too much money and are also looking at different products. They even tried their hand at a car because the know the iPhone gold coin isn’t forever.

 

[Michael Scrip]

Nobody saw it happening when London overtook Rome many years ago as the biggest city in tbe world.

And nobody is seeing now that Android is slowly overtaking ios as the superior platform.

Like a lot of Apple diehards in this thread alone, Apple is taking for granted what people want in an ios device in 2017 and taking for granted the offerings of Android relative to ios.

Sales may be going well for Apple at the moment but if Apple keeps up the incremental change appraoch, they will start losing ground. Every year Android becomes more and more refined. The days of poking stick at Android for being a disjointed, laggy and malware prone software are long gone. People who still assert that today are stuck in 2012. Things change, except Apple's philosophy of increnental change. London overtook Rome and Android is catching up to ios.

Incremental change won't get you more market share, but continued refined improvement and added features which add to the user experience will.

I give it 10 years before Apple loses its crown as the smartphone king. Look at what happened to Nokia. Things change.

This is based largely on what happens with these bendable screens both Apple and Samsung are working on. How each approach it will go a long way to deciding who is the biggest seller in a decade's time. Knowing Apple, it will build a fold out screen device to simply mimmick an ipad-like screen. Think Plus model which really didn't offer anything to take advantage of the extra real estate other than offer extra real estate. And knowing Samsung, it will do a lot more than that, it will be Note 8ish-like where the wow factors will be through the roof.

Apple, you've been warned, change your approach or be the next Nokia within 10 years time.

Players like Nokia, Blackberry and Palm were caught completely flatfooted by the iPhone and later Android phones. They were still peddling "old" tech while other companies moved forward with "new and shiny" tech.

And they couldn't react in time. That's why Palm is gone... Nokia is basically a brand name... and BlackBerry is, well, I don't know what BlackBerry is today.

The good news for Apple is... they're still highly regarded in the smartphone game. It should be no surprise that some people LIKE the iPhone. A lot of people, actually.

While the entirety of Android absolutely dwarfs the iPhone.... the iPhone is still a 200 million units a year product. With massive margins too. No other company has those kinds of numbers. (Samsung sells more units... but at FAR lower margins)

Could Apple's iPhone sales numbers decrease rapidly? Perhaps... but I still think they are in a MUCH better place than Palm, Nokia and BlackBerry ever were.

I see your point though... incremental changes aren't always enough. But at the same time... massive changes aren't always good either!

It's "damned if you do, damned if you don't"

Apple does too little and people complain. Apple does too much and people complain too! It's a tough balancing act.

Your comment was a well-worded warning to Apple: watch out or you will become the next Nokia or some other defunct company.

But I've heard the same basic warning hundreds of times over the last 10 years of the iPhone... and over the last 30 years of the Macintosh.

Somehow Apple stays afloat. They march to the beat of their own drum... and fortunately they get enough customers to march along with them.

The same can't be said for Nokia, Blackberry and Palm...

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

The X seems to be appealing to the core fan base, but so many people I know are either sticking with their current iPhone or going to another phone vendor. In our office not a single person out of 30 is remotely interested in the X. Of these, about 3/4 are iPhone users. Five of those (including me) have switched to an S8 or Note 8. In past years, there was a palpable excitement about the new phones. This round has fallen very flat. Where does Apple go from here? Yes, the X is selling well overall, but Apple is losing its mojo and edge as they slowly run out of ideas. Are the exciting days gone? Is the iPhone just another phone to most people outside of the fan base?

My experience is pretty much identical to yours. My work place is a corporate environment where the iPhone is king. I’d say out of 50 people in the offices I have not seen a single iPhone X. My boss was very pro Apple until recently but has recently upgraded to an S8 to which he is enjoying. It’s mostly iPhones 6S’s and 7’s with a handful of 8’s in my office. The sales team have just been issued iPhone 7’s due to super low business deals at the moment. My wife’s company is similar. There’s one X there with mostly older iPhones making up the rest. None of my close friends or family have one either.

I think it all comes down to cost. The X is well over a £1k on contract and with the iPhone 8 sold alongside it’s just making people more aware that they don’t need to spend that much to get a new iPhone. I read an article yesterday that stated as a guesstimate the X had sold around 20m units worldwide. The iPhone 8 similar but the 8 Plus 23m. It’s no wonder our workplaces aren’t flooded with them.

At the end of the day an iPhone is an iPhone. One maybe shiner than the other but the interface is identical.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

18 employees here. Nobody has the X.

In fact, I'm the only one, with the 8 Plus, who doesn't have either the 7/7 Plus or a Samsung.

That's how it is when you're a CNC machinist in a shop full of guys working in metal fabrication. Everybody cares more about beer than what phone they or someone else is using.

The guys who run the Hurco’s, Doosan and the Elumatic on the shop floor where I work are the same. They spend most of the day on their phones but use older iPhones or Android devices. Motorbikes and getting smashed at the weekend is their preference over spending money on a latest phone.

 

[Michael Scrip]

To everyone who is talking about workplace iPhone adoption... how does this year compare to previous years?

Let's be honest... the current generation of iPhones hasn't been out very long... iPhone 8 for 2 months and iPhone X for 1 month.

But the iPhone is sold 365 days a year. How many people buy new iPhones within 30 or 60 days of launch?

 

[maka344]

To everyone who is talking about workplace iPhone adoption... how does this year compare to previous years?

Let's be honest... the current generation of iPhones hasn't been out very long... iPhone 8 for 2 months and iPhone X for 1 month.

But the iPhone is sold 365 days a year. How many people buy new iPhones within 30 or 60 days of launch?

Last year was the same. Most people outside of here wait for upgrades or for their phones to be damaged/broken before replacing. The 7 took a while in my work place.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

To everyone who is talking about workplace iPhone adoption... how does this year compare to previous years?

Let's be honest... the current generation of iPhones hasn't been out very long... iPhone 8 for 2 months and iPhone X for 1 month.

But the iPhone is sold 365 days a year. How many people buy new iPhones within 30 or 60 days of launch?

In my experience the first month after a release is where I used to see the flurry of people upgrading. When the iPhone 6 came out my office was full of them and people actually discussed it. Probably because it was the first big iPhone. I didn’t see much of a buzz last year with the 7 and this year is perhaps more muted again. Since the size increase I think people are perhaps keeping phones longer. I think i’ll see a few more 8’s around the office over the next 6 months rather than the X. It reminds me of the Apple Watch in that it sells well, but not everybody needs it.