Apple is losing me: that's why.

[maflynn]

There are THREE platforms, Mike. Three.

Yes I know that since I own a windows phone and I've been very active in the WP threads

You seem to have an issue letting go. Just use what works best for you and don't worry about iOS.

I moved on and I have not looked back If the iPhone 6 looks greats maybe I'll switch but for now I don't see any draw with iOS8 that is tempting me.

You're making it a huge deal when its only a phone

 

[Menneisyys2]

Is NFC etc etc really that useful?

It is. See my post at, say, https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/19099063/

 

[Robster3]

It is. See my post at, say, https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/19099063/

Yep i have a Sony a6000 and NFC works great, also wifi to S5/ipad.

 

[AndroidBlows]

U people have way too much time on yer hands.

Same damn threads and posts every year. All the same.

 

[gotluck]

a tower ? you are living in the past, mate.
BTW we are going off topic here ...

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my "problem" actually is choose what fits my needs/tastes, thus this thread.
You didn't read the thread, if you think this is about jump/not jump the ship.
If you understand what "ecosystem" means, then you'll understand that you can't really be "platform agnostic". And what about the $$$ spent in apps ? It's not an easy decision to leave all behind and just "jump the ship".

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just out of curiosity, what is your interest in this forum ?
You clearly don't love iphone / ipads (I know you very well in this section of the forum), and with this post you clearly don't have an interest in Macs also (they don't even have a tower as workstation anymore).

I'm puzzled ...

I love my iPad just fine, its the limitations with iOS that frustrates me. I am a former iPhone user as well and like to keep up on things.

I also like Mac osx as well, apple just doesn't make hardware that fits my needs. Sure tell me I'm living in the past but an iMac only has disadvantages when compared to a full tower. Why on earth would I want a mobile GPU in a small case that's just begging for cooling issues? The only advantage is looks

I could say the same about you. You always come in here stirring up crap with likely no true intentions of switching with your constant nonspecific, vague criticisms of android. This forum is great for alternative viewpoints, I figured I am one of them.

Your viewpoint is a dime a dozen , go back to the iPhone section

oh and nfc isnt a gimmick

 

[TsunamiTheClown]

I am always puzzled by the fact that a lot of people pick NFC as an example of something seemingly useless.

Having used it on a daily basis for around two years now I find it very useful by having a handful (actually 4) NFC tags at different spots - all of them set as toggles that turn on one set of features at first 'bump' and then a second one on the next 'bump'. Here are some examples from the top of my head - there are actually more things going on with each of the tags than this:

Near my door: Switches off wi-fi, increases screen brightness, turns off the main lamp in my living room (I have a couple of WeMo-switches in my home, and the main lamp is always on when I am home). This is when leaving, the opposite happens when returning.

On my desk at work (below my desk pad - can't be seen): Switches to the work wi-fi, disables work-mail checking on the phone so I don't get lots of notifications for stuff that I already get on my computer, turns off sound.

On my night stand: Switches to silent mode and only gives audible notifications from a few selected contacts - and alarms of course. Turns off all WeMo-connected lights.

In my car: Switches different settings to car mode and hooks up bluetooth.

All in all very useful. Of course you could toggle all these settings manually each time, but how uncool is that

Just a quick run down of what NFC can be used for in daily life - things like payment that many think is the main use is just a fraction of what it actually can be used for.


So, how is this for daily use of the phone? NFC surely saves me from lots of switching stuff around during the day.

Your usage of NFC looks awesome. I can see how this would really be a time saver. My point is not that NFC, specifically, is useless. It has its benefits for sure.

It is. See my post at, say, https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/19099063/

Honestly I'm not picking on NFC. Use it, love it.

My larger point is that what commonly falls under the heading of 'innovative' is often very nebulous. I must say that current smart phones really appear to share the same basic feature set. Beyond that feature set, see my first post, what is it that they lack?

Does the OP want his next phone to be a full blown workstation? A tricorder? A light saber? I am really trying to see the obvious innovation failure of any modern smart phone.

 

[AustinIllini]

Does the OP want his next phone to be a full blown workstation?

A guy at work said he wanted "a full OS on his phone". I really don't get that logic. Android or iOS is plenty OS for a phone.

I think he's in the minority, however. Regardless of which OS you have, I don't think anyone wants to be their own IT support.

 

[balamw]

I think he's in the minority, however. Regardless of which OS you have, I don't think anyone wants to be their own IT support.

This remains the number one reason why I lean Mac/iOS, though I was only truly Mac/iOS only for about 6 months back in 2009.

After using Windows/Linux boxes all day for work it's really refreshing not to have to think about the devices you use.

This is not really mobile related, but I added a Dell Venue Pro 8 to the mix last week and it is a great little box. Just this morning though I was reminded that it's still just another Windows box when it insisted on installing upgrades and got hung on the needed reboot.

I'll probably add an Android tablet to the mix this summer as my older son lives in the Google ecosystem (Gmail/docs/Google+) for school. My only previous semi Android experience is the Kindle Fire (1st gen) that sits idle because it's so much slower and heavier than the iPads or even the Dell.

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[AustinIllini]

This remains the number one reason why I lean Mac/iOS, though I was only truly Mac/iOS only for about 6 months back in 2009.

After using Windows/Linux boxes all day for work it's really refreshing not to have to think about the devices you use.

Agreed on this. you get the "Well, I don't understand the file system" or "I want to find my C: drive" because people have become so accustomed to having to work on those things, almost to the point the Mac is too simple and intuitive for them. For most users, the Mac has three folders: Applications, Downloads, and Documents.

It's beyond me why anyone would want to work on their own machine.

Android is mostly the same as iOS and good for the same reason. There's a file system, but I don't need to use it ever.

 

[gotluck]

well speak for yourself, i love access to the file system

anything that keeps me from having to run back to my PC. I would like to be able to do as much as possible with my phone. So I can be untethered from my desk. I also love access to the file system on my iPad too, makes functionality much closer to that of a full computer. some people do care, otherwise there would be no jailbreak community. The subforum here is quite active.

 

[bembol]

Apple (iOS) lost me after the iPhone 4S. The only advantage it had left was I made $400+ when I used my upgrade and sold the 5 & 5S.

I only have the 64GB iPad Air LTE because being a Mac user, I invested in iTunes and need it to playback my purchases. The second is for whatever reason there's no LTE Samsung/Sony tablet up here.

 

[sentinelsx]

The problem is that Apple needs to innovate because they're so far behind. They're announcing features like "third party keyboards" that Android has done forever. Remember their huge "look, a pulldown notification center!!" announcement?

I have yet to see any iOS announcements that show off features that don't currently exist in some incarnation on Android.

I don't get this at all. Many of us said we would consider iOS if they added some android features. Now that they do, we are all complaining about why they did it?

Would you be happier with just health kit, continuity, and swift with no inter-app talk, or keyboards, or opened up APIs?

At least this makes the future iPhone very interesting. Previously it wasn't even on the radar for me. A 4.5-4.7 inch screen iPhone and I might just drop android for it.

 

[balamw]

well speak for yourself, i love access to the file system

in Mac OS X, I still love the fact that it's still Unix underneath the hood so I can get some real work done in Terminal if I ever need to.

From the iPhone/iPad, I just connect to one of my other more powerful boxes when such needs arise. Reliability is worth more to me than the slight power I could gain.

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[sentinelsx]

well speak for yourself, i love access to the file system

anything that keeps me from having to run back to my PC. I would like to be able to do as much as possible with my phone. So I can be untethered from my desk. I also love access to the file system on my iPad too, makes functionality much closer to that of a full computer. some people do care, otherwise there would be no jailbreak community. The subforum here is quite active.

I use root explorer on my phone but even I feel that the filesystem concept needs a revamp. Something smarter and less "clunky". Every time I hunt a file in my filesystem I feel like I am going back to the dos days of command line. There has to be an innovative solution. Just that I can't point to one sadly.

 

[jamezr]

I use root explorer on my phone but even I feel that the filesystem concept needs a revamp. Something smarter and less "clunky". Every time I hunt a file in my filesystem I feel like I am going back to the dos days of command line. There has to be an innovative solution. Just that I can't point to one sadly.

agreed...I use Root Explorer too....but there has to be a better more appealing way....maybe an app that will let you speak the file name or search for files by name that has root access as well? That works across the whole device no matter where it is......

 

[gotluck]

in Mac OS X, I still love the fact that it's still Unix underneath the hood so I can get some real work done in Terminal if I ever need to.

From the iPhone/iPad, I just connect to one of my other more powerful boxes when such needs arise. Reliability is worth more to me than the slight power I could gain.

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I do not have any reliability problems though

there are caveats to being on 7.1b3 jailbroken, but I would not say reliablity is one of them

On android there really arent any negatives to being rooted as long as you have an 'open' phone (ie. not carrier branded)

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I use root explorer on my phone but even I feel that the filesystem concept needs a revamp. Something smarter and less "clunky". Every time I hunt a file in my filesystem I feel like I am going back to the dos days of command line. There has to be an innovative solution. Just that I can't point to one sadly.

Yea that is all fine. I dont care about how it is done, as long as I have the ability.

stop restricting my freakin permissions!

its a scary precedent for computing IMO, pretty soon everything will be as locked down as cable boxes, etc..

 

[AustinIllini]

well speak for yourself, i love access to the file system

I contend you are in the vast minority.

 

[gotluck]

I contend you are in the vast minority.

xda has many members that care, sure we are the minority, but vast is a bit strong imo

there are plenty of oldschool people that want full control over their devices.

there are enough of us that some vendors still sell bootloader unlockable devices

your own nexus is based on freedom nerdvana

 

[AustinIllini]

xda has many members that care, sure we are the minority, but vast is a bit strong imo

there are plenty of oldschool people that want full control over their devices.

50 million devices sold a month? "Old school people" probably account for less than 0.01%. Sounds like a vast minority.

 

[gotluck]

50 million devices sold a month? "Old school people" probably account for less than 0.01%. Sounds like a vast minority.

??? nice statistics, what orifice did those come from?

apple is effectively adding a filesystem with icloud drive btw

 

[SomeGuyDude]

I don't get this at all. Many of us said we would consider iOS if they added some android features. Now that they do, we are all complaining about why they did it?

Would you be happier with just health kit, continuity, and swift with no inter-app talk, or keyboards, or opened up APIs?

At least this makes the future iPhone very interesting. Previously it wasn't even on the radar for me. A 4.5-4.7 inch screen iPhone and I might just drop android for it.

No one's complaining about WHY they did it. You misunderstood the post. My point was that Apple is just playing catch-up. Yeah it's alleviating some of the issues I had with iOS before and I'm far more interested in the iPhone 6 than I was previously, but they keep doing it like they've hit upon huge innovation when it's just playing catch-up.

 

[Kariya]

I don't get this at all. Many of us said we would consider iOS if they added some android features. Now that they do, we are all complaining about why they did it?

Would you be happier with just health kit, continuity, and swift with no inter-app talk, or keyboards, or opened up APIs?

At least this makes the future iPhone very interesting. Previously it wasn't even on the radar for me. A 4.5-4.7 inch screen iPhone and I might just drop android for it.

Because those complaints were more a weapon for trolling rather than objective criticism.

Which is why now that the weapon has been taken away. They've been forced to reveal their true objective (hating on Apple) by coming up with laughably flimsy complaints.

 

[bunchofpenguins]

The problem is that Apple needs to innovate because they're so far behind. They're announcing features like "third party keyboards" that Android has done forever. Remember their huge "look, a pulldown notification center!!" announcement?

I have yet to see any iOS announcements that show off features that don't currently exist in some incarnation on Android.

Sorry but why does everyone always say this? Compared to what? Look at the changelogs for the past versions of Android... how is that any different? Yet, nobody is criticizing them the same way?

Why does everyone feel that Apple needs to make some big, grand gesture or else they're DOOMED!!!1?

The limit on mobile has been peaked; if you're holding out for some great big breakthrough, you're just going to be disappointed.

 

[TsunamiTheClown]

well speak for yourself, i love access to the file system

anything that keeps me from having to run back to my PC. I would like to be able to do as much as possible with my phone. So I can be untethered from my desk. I also love access to the file system on my iPad too, makes functionality much closer to that of a full computer. some people do care, otherwise there would be no jailbreak community. The subforum here is quite active.

Yeah, I like (read need) filesystem access on my mac. On a phone, I hope i never have to really interact with the low level filesystem stuff.

But I totally get that some people want that. If I ever have to shell to a server and want to use my phone, the Terminal app by Panic is my go to, but I don't want to actually mess with my phone's OS in that way. Thats just me.

in Mac OS X, I still love the fact that it's still Unix underneath the hood so I can get some real work done in Terminal if I ever need to.

From the iPhone/iPad, I just connect to one of my other more powerful boxes when such needs arise. Reliability is worth more to me than the slight power I could gain.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[SomeGuyDude]

Sorry but why does everyone always say this? Compared to what? Look at the changelogs for the past versions of Android... how is that any different? Yet, nobody is criticizing them the same way?

Why does everyone feel that Apple needs to make some big, grand gesture or else they're DOOMED!!!1?

The limit on mobile has been peaked; if you're holding out for some great big breakthrough, you're just going to be disappointed.

They're not doomed. Not by a longshot. Apple is going to truck along, be successful, make billions, and make a bunch of devices that people enjoy and love. I don't have an account here because I hate Apple.

My point was just that people react to Apple announcements like they're full of game-changing innovation, when most of it is playing catch-up to Android. That's all.