We may just travel in different circles. I've watched a fair amount of youtubers who keep that stuff to a minimum. But this is a full 5 minutes of me me me, before presenting ANY "evidence" of his assertion.
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Other Apple is Really Bad at Design - Joshua Topolosky [MERGED]
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The pinnacle of modern apple design perfection Poor magic mouse 2 it's Victim to pure idiocy. Who ever would think you'd want something more aesthetically pleasing if not ability to use mouse while charging by placing it where a mouse cord usually is on corded mice? Duh!
Not just a lack of attention to detail. I would argue a complete disregard for attention to ANY even the most obvious non-detail detail
Oh my gosh this is my first time seeing this. What in heaven and earth....?
I’m an iPhone guy to my core, but some of the other stuff they’ve come out with...It’s like Apple has decided that they can literally deficate on a table and sell it to people as an “innovative product”. Like they’ve bought into their own marketing hype and really believe that they have magical powers.
There was also this hideous creature.
I feel like the whole thing with the notch comes down to a fairly simple question: Do we want to hide the notch but have less usable space or leave the notch and have more usable space?
Personally I don't view it as the notch cutting in the screen but as the screen wrapping around the notch. I know lots of people are kind of OCD about this kind of thing and having it breaks the pleasing symmetry but I have no issues with it and I think the screen wrapping around it looks kind of cool.
Personally I don't view it as the notch cutting in the screen but as the screen wrapping around the notch. I know lots of people are kind of OCD about this kind of thing and having it breaks the pleasing symmetry but I have no issues with it and I think the screen wrapping around it looks kind of cool.
Oh man, you and I are so totally 180º from each other!
You think Apple got it right. I think Apple got it uglier each and every release.
I don't care for the antenna lines and camera bulge on my 6s+ but at this point between that and an 8+ I'd take my 6s+. All I see with the 7/8 is a boil and with the 7+8/+ all I see is Bender from Futurama.
The X is even worse IMO.
Totally opposite sides!
But that’s not what’s happening. Go look at any of the hands-on when someone is watching a full-screen video. The content doesn’t “wrap around” the notch, it goes under it. You have a trapezoid-shaped obstruction on top of your video.
And the solution seems to be to zoom out and pillbox the video, which actually makes the screen the same size as the regular sized iPhone....and people are totally fine with this.
I honestly don’t get it.
So you would argue that the notch is good design? That the port on bottom is good design, that the need to charge the Apple Pencil so often and have it stick out from a device is good design?
But that’s not what’s happening. Go look at any of the hands-on when someone is watching a full-screen video. The content doesn’t “wrap around” the notch, it goes under it. You have a trapezoid-shaped obstruction on top of your video.
And the solution seems to be to zoom out and pillbox the video, which actually makes the screen the same size as the regular sized iPhone....and people are totally fine with this.
I honestly don’t get it.
You’ve got it back to front. A normal video will be just fine - it’ll be 16:9 like on the other phones. If you zoom in (like double tapping an iPhone now) it’ll force full screen with the limitation that it’ll crop some of the video - just like it does now on iPhone
People need to stop fixating on the video playback as evidence of the notch being evil. Most of the time it works just like a status bar, and isn’t actively available for apps.
The notch is a necessary part of the design you don't like,
The port on the bottom ??, give me a break, that's nitpicking, putting the mouse on it's back to charge, so you don't have to look at a charging port when using it ?, it looks fine when sitting on my iPhone charger.
Be glad you can charge the pencil in the port if you need to
If I’m understanding you correctly...you’re saying that “normal” video on the iPhone X is supposed to be 16:9, which will look like this:
If that’s what you’re saying, it literally proves that having a notch there (as opposed to a thin bezel) is pointless.
You don't get it:
Apple mouse: sit down to work, dang! mouse battery is flat: lay it on its back and wait for 2 minutes to give it a partial charge before you can get on with your work. Next day/day after: sit down to work, dang! mouse is flat... rinse and repeat...
Logitech mouse: sit down to work, dang! mouse battery is flat: plug it in (and continue using it for an hour - because the cable plugs into the front, making it no worse than any non-wireless mouse - while it gets a full charge then unplug the cable and forget about charging it for a couple of weeks.
Then there's the pencil - the charging position is an accident waiting to happen because Mechanics 101 - the slightest knock puts a huge strain on the connector. Again - great for a quickie top-up but if you want to give it a proper charge (e.g. while you're not using your iPad because it is also on charge) you need a fiddly little adaptor which should have been built into the pen lid (so then there's only be one fiddly bit to lose). However, it gets worse: Apple gave zero thought to storing the Pencil when not in use (let alone the cap or adapter) - there isn't even a loop on the smart keyboard accessory and there's no clip on the Pencil so it won't stay in a loop.
...and yet, at the same time (presumably) when they were designing the Pencil, they were also designing the new smart connector (which is present on all the iPads that are Pencil compatible). So why the (beep) wasn't the new Pencil designed to snap on to the new Smart Connector to store and charge?
Is the Pencil or the mouse unusable because of this? Of course not, but these aren't just non-name imported cheap peripherals - they are premium products from a company that likes to crow about its design chops and create onanistic $300 coffee-table books about how magical their creations are. Apple used to be brilliant about balancing form and function. Now, attention to detail and nice touches (even glowing apple logos, start-up chimes, gently pulsing power LEDs, Magsafe, the little cable-storage ears on power supplies) are being thrown under the bus.
#1 annoying feature of my new iMac: is it on? is it asleep? is it awake but with the screen blank? is it maybe locked up? Who knows... (equal first: why did making the full-sized keyboard wireless require reducing the key travel and the slope of the near-perfect previous wired keyboard?)
Oh my gosh this is my first time seeing this. What in heaven and earth....?
I’m an iPhone guy to my core, but some of the other stuff they’ve come out with...It’s like Apple has decided that they can literally deficate on a table and sell it to people as an “innovative product”. Like they’ve bought into their own marketing hype and really believe that they have magical powers.
There was also this hideous creature.
It looks like they slapped a battery underneath the silicone case and called it a day. I get that non battery parts of the back feel thin but when you hold the thing it still feels just as bulky as if the entire back was that thickness
Aesthetically it's a monster
Oh my gosh this is my first time seeing this. What in heaven and earth....?
I’m an iPhone guy to my core, but some of the other stuff they’ve come out with...It’s like Apple has decided that they can literally deficate on a table and sell it to people as an “innovative product”. Like they’ve bought into their own marketing hype and really believe that they have magical powers.
There was also this hideous creature.
that case is actually not that bad. I bought for a backup for when I travel it since the footprint is a lot smaller than other monstrosities that pass as battery cases or even regular cases. It works great and the looks are not that bad and you can actually fit it in your pocket.
The notch is a necessary part of the design you don't like,
The port on the bottom ??, give me a break, that's nitpicking, putting the mouse on it's back to charge, so you don't have to look at a charging port when using it ?, it looks fine when sitting on my iPhone charger.
Be glad you can charge the pencil in the port if you need to
No, the notch isn't a necessary part. If you look at the top of a Note 8, the cameras could have been there. This was a design CHOICE. If Apple wanted to have no notch, they'd have no notch.
Also, I'm not glad I can charge it when I need to. My Surface Pen is a quick unscrew and battery replacement every year or so instead of every twelve hours of use because Apple decided to put the twch in the pencil mostly to make a thinner screen.
And the port on the bottom still sucks.
We haven't used them properly yet, but the notch seems to be an impediment to the screen and functionality of how one uses the phone.
It really doesn't make sense from a design perspective, it rubbishes Apple's claim that this is "all screen" (c'mon) and it wouldn't surprise me it the notch is gone in 2 years.
But, of course, people will still buy the iPhone X, primarily because the other features are better than anything they've released before.
It really doesn't make sense from a design perspective, it rubbishes Apple's claim that this is "all screen" (c'mon) and it wouldn't surprise me it the notch is gone in 2 years.
But, of course, people will still buy the iPhone X, primarily because the other features are better than anything they've released before.
I would be willing to forego the Xbox Kinect if it meant a heavily reduced chin, or no chin at all and a little bit of top bezel as any slimming of bezels would be appreciated coming from the MASSIVE bezel Plus models
If I’m understanding you correctly...you’re saying that “normal” video on the iPhone X is supposed to be 16:9, which will look like this:
If that’s what you’re saying, it literally proves that having a notch there (as opposed to a thin bezel) is pointless.
why does a notch/no notch have anything to do with video? its a taller aspect ratio screen, of course 16:9 content will have bars either side.
The notch is there so that status infromation doesn't take up usable app space. The 'ears' are not black because then you can see the wallpaper/app background behind the status icons, just like you can now on iphones with normal bezels. It gives a sense of a bigger screen.
But that’s not what’s happening. Go look at any of the hands-on when someone is watching a full-screen video. The content doesn’t “wrap around” the notch, it goes under it. You have a trapezoid-shaped obstruction on top of your video.
And the solution seems to be to zoom out and pillbox the video, which actually makes the screen the same size as the regular sized iPhone....and people are totally fine with this.
I honestly don’t get it.
Where did I say content? I said the SCREEN wraps around the notch. I am absolutely aware of what happens to what is displayed on the screen
[doublepost=1507043705][/doublepost]For everyone who says this is bad design: is it outlined in design text books or design college classes somewhere that notches are bad? Like is there some design law that we can site that shows that the notch is objectively bad?
I think all that money maybe went to his head when he sold minecraft? Still subjective to call him bad though.
Are we really getting any value by having “usable space” in the form of ears, especially when most of the time it’ll be completely blacked out anyway?
Maybe I’m just odd, but I really can’t imagine how having less than a square inch of viewable space for wallpaper will enhance my enjoyment of the phone.
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Isn’t the whole purpose of the screen to display content?
How is it a good thing that something has been done to the screen that impedes on its primary objective?
As you’ve acknowledged, the notch obscures content. Unless you derive most of your enjoyment from looking at a black screen, that is objectively bad.
The notch can obscure video if you zoom, it doesn't inherently obscure anything at all times. It is not objectively bad design in any way, and I actually quite like the design.
And I guess this is what I really don’t understand....you saying you like it. If the iPhone X had been introduced with a thin bezel at the top instead of a notch (maybe similar to the S8), would you have thought there was something lacking?
And sure, you can view video in the little pillbox, but that’s not even remotely edge to edge in an application where edge to edge should matter. Isn’t that the point? To give us more viewable space?
i think the left looks better than the right. you cant call the phone on the right an edge to edge screen