Apple is really terrible without Steve Jobs

[BenTrovato]

It’s called cognitive dissonance. Works both ways.

Haha cognitive dissonance is a big umbrella to throw over that discussion.

 

[SteveJobzniak]

macOS really sucks. I love its Unix core, and the fact that all 3rd party apps follow their great design language, but the whole OS is really basic. No touchscreen support, no Virtual Reality support, no slick/modern design anymore. Their desktop OS feels stuck in the past.

And Windows is about to surpass them very soon. It already has "WSL" ("Linux Subsystem for Windows") which runs a real Ubuntu Linux terminal directly on Windows via an emulated kernel which remaps all Linux kernel features to the Windows kernel instead (which means very little overhead for system calls), which means that developers can now natively run all Linux applications (which is a massively bigger developer software library than what's available for macOS' Unix core!), so macOS "Unix core" isn't a Mac-advantage anymore either. In fact, Windows can now run more Unix/Linux-software than macOS does.

And on the GUI/user-side Windows 10 is already pretty damn good (very fast and stable and huge app library), but needs to become a bit prettier.

I've already decided months ago that my next computer will be a regular Windows PC. Microsoft are innovating constantly (holographics, touchscreens) and they're working on a new GUI design which blows away Apple.

I'm a musician and software developer, and one of my reasons for choosing Apple in the first place was them purchasing Logic and making it Mac-exclusive. I still utterly love Logic and it's an amazing program, but I have to admit that Cubase (which runs on Windows) is more powerful and I've often been considering switching. When I build my Windows workstation, I'll have Cubase and a touchscreen (to control the mixer), and easy access to CPU/RAM/hardware upgrades over the years. Apple cannot compete with that...

And I've recently been thinking that my next tablet and phone may be Android, after seeing some powerful and inexpensive Android tablets that beat the iPad. I'm tired of Apple deciding that I can't have classic console emulators and other fun apps. And the whole iOS is starting to feel stuck in the past too.

 

[BenTrovato]

macOS really sucks. I love its Unix core, and the fact that all 3rd party apps follow their great design language, but the whole OS is really basic. No touchscreen support, no Virtual Reality support, no slick/modern design anymore. Their desktop OS feels stuck in the past.

And Windows is about to surpass them very soon. Windows 10 is already pretty damn good (very fast and stable and huge app library), but needs to become a bit prettier.

I've already decided months ago that my next computer will be a regular Windows PC. Microsoft are innovating constantly (holographics, touchscreens) and they're working on a new GUI design which blows away Apple.

And I've recently been thinking that my next tablet and phone may be Android, after seeing some powerful and inexpensive Android tablets that beat the iPad. I'm tired of Apple deciding that I can't have classic console emulators and other fun apps. And the whole iOS is starting to feel stuck in the past too.

I use Windows 10 everyday and while it's pretty good, it's still not as nice as MacOS. However, with what Microsoft is working on, if they can really execute that new design, I will gladly stop paying the Apple tax on that hardware. They're not there yet though.

 

[SteveJobzniak]

I use Windows 10 everyday and while it's pretty good, it's still not as nice as MacOS. However, with what Microsoft is working on, if they can really execute that new design, I will gladly stop paying the Apple tax on that hardware. They're not there yet though.

Definitely. It's currently at the point where I've moved from "Anti-Windows, ughhh it's so disgusting and ugly and slow and terrible and ancient" and have totally changed my opinion to "Hmm, it's currently not that bad... pretty slick and fast actually! I can do everything I do on my Mac. And I love the huge app availability and hardware possibilities!".

But then, when I saw the new "Fluent Design Language" they're working on, I knew that Windows would soon fix the one and only thing that kept me tied to suckling on the Apple-breast: Windows will soon grow a nice pair of breasts of its own... err, I mean a brand new GUI design. xD

Here's a video picking apart their trailer frame by frame:

And here's a tiny preview of a work-in-progress build of Windows 10 which has *some* of the aspects of Fluent Design in it already:

I think it's fantastic that Windows is finally going to give Apple real competition among creatives who want a beautiful and slick OS. And hopefully their new design language infects all big, serious applications. They're following Apple's lead by putting together an "app design guidelines" document, telling developers how to make Fluent Design applications themselves. So, as time goes on, we'll see Windows and even its 3rd party applications surpass Apple's design.

Amazing times and finally an antidote to the "Apple tax" is on the way! ;-)

 

[Lioness~]

If the day ever come to move away from my Mac to Windows, that would be when  is dying.
I can get upset for  gadgets not measuring up to what my standards are, but leaving my Mac, oh no.
If  is going down that hard, hopefully I'll be gone before that

 

[pat500000]

When Samsung is now beating Apple in terms of design, then you know how much backwards Apple has gone since Steve left the place.

And now they dare to charge $999 for a Chinese made phone with a terrible design?

I'm seriously wonder when Samsung starts to sue Apple as the iPhone X has features that Samsung phones had for many years? It used to be the other way around when Steve was around.

You know...IMHO, What made Apple great wasn't from hardware related. Apple was about software with user experience.

 

[DaveOP]

You are totally right. But here is the thing...

Apple is no longer and innovation technology, it is a cash cow. Jobs was a creative mind who wanted to change the world, the people at Apple today are old man who just want to retire and wants to make money. Samsung wants to innovate because they need to do so.

I just sold my 2008 Mac pro for $800 with two 30" Apple cinema displays included, no one wanted to buy that configuration because is old even it works like a wonder. Now Apple wants to sell a $1000 phone for leisure because you do not need any of those features for anything, it could be an status symbol at the most. But that is who is Apple today, a cash cow.

...and wait until the new iMac comes out with all those 18 cores.. $20K at least. I still have my iPhone 5 up and running just fine.

Apple has been extremely innovative in the Health sector, Augmented Reality, Chip design, Cameras, etc.

 

[Starfia]

It seems like a lot of the basic visual appearance of Apple products during its last 15 years with Steve were largely because of Jony, who's still alive and working there. But basic visual appearance doesn't equal design.

Design of Apple products means intention all the way down to beneath the basic level of software and the forethought of how it all ends up working together with the hardware – and increasingly, with the network. I'm pretty sure Samsung has never beaten Apple at that.

 

[gnasher729]

And now they dare to charge $999 for a Chinese made phone with a terrible design?

Samsung avoids manufacturing in countries like China, where workers have started to get rights and make decent money. They prefer countries that have cheaper workers with fewer worker rights. Google for "Samsung worker treatment".

 

[kdarling]

Samsung avoids manufacturing in countries like China, where workers have started to get rights and make decent money. They prefer countries that have cheaper workers with fewer worker rights. Google for "Samsung worker treatment".

Well, of course that's the same reason companies like Apple originally went to China: super cheap workers willing to work long hours. It wasn't until news reporters started exposing conditions that everyone started straightening up.

Also, don't confuse subcontractors with Samsung itself. Like Apple, Samsung has rules against work mistreatment, which are often ignored by local managers making extra bucks.

 

[I7guy]

Well, of course that's the same reason companies like Apple originally went to China: super cheap workers willing to work long hours. It wasn't until news reporters started exposing conditions that everyone started straightening up.

Also, don't confuse subcontractors with Samsung itself. Like Apple, Samsung has rules against work mistreatment, which are often ignored by local managers making extra bucks.

Seems a great parallel to the rise of the unions in the early 19th century.