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Unfortunately that would be the wrong form factor to choose for the popular “classic”
This isn’t true and you’re uniformed. When Face ID wouldn’t unlock for Craig on the stage, it didn’t fail to not recognizing Craig, it was due to someone else setting up the phone previously for the demo, the iPhone locked itself when to many attempts were processed before Craig demoed the iPhone X. In theory, Face ID did exactly what is was supposed to by locking the user due to not successful unlocking the phone after so many attempts. It never failed.
Right, which I did mention, but unless Apple finds a way to incorporate it into the entire screen (not a specific spot like on the new Samsung series), I don't see apple going back to the finger-print scanner in a small designated spot on the phone screen, which is more or less the same technology it used on the iPhone 7 and 8 models (the home button/finger-print scanner was not a button but part of the glass screen).
I didn't see Apple releasing a plastic iPhone in 2013 and when I woke up I saw the iPhone 5C so... You can't expect anything from Apple, they do whatever they want.
Apple is stuffing Touch ID into cheap devices.
The new iPad Air was put together using leftovers from the parts bin, hence no Face ID.
The cheap iPhone with Touch ID is the iPhone 8 and it will be around for a while.
The new iPad Air was put together using leftovers from the parts bin, hence no Face ID.
The cheap iPhone with Touch ID is the iPhone 8 and it will be around for a while.
Fair enough. I don't think its an equal comparison, As you are talking about bringing back old materials rather than actual technology, not to mention the fact that the 5c lineup didn't last incredibly long and wasn't followed-up with a like designed model.
I still think we aren't going to see TouchID come back except on products that are just continuations of old designs. I highly doubt there will be any newly designed versions (other than respecced old design models) of the iPhone, iPod and iPads that will contain TouchID, unless its incorporated into a full screen capacity, where you can touch anywhere on the screen to unlock the device.
The same way FaceID wasn't well received compared to Touch ID it may as well be discontinued. Since Touch ID is easier to use and more reliable why bother with worse technology? On screen fingerprint is the next step. Do I know if Apple is doing it? No. I don't work there. Should they? Definitely yes.
To be honest, I haven't really seen enough data to be convinced that the FaceID hasn't been well received. Of the dozen or so people I know who have an iPhone X or newer, everyone of them loves FaceID and has no issue with it. I personally greatly like it much much better than TouchID. Again though, that is really just speculation, but I don't think there is a mass group against FaceID, except for hardcore fans of the TouchID. If it wasn't a success, I doubt Apple would have extended it to the new iPad Pro designs.
You forgot Macs are coming with Touch ID. Even if your friend group says Face ID is good, it doesn't mean it is well received. They don't represent the global audience. You can Google and find out how the majority of people are having issues with Face ID, I personally like it but Touch ID is more convenient and easier also works while I'm on bed.
I'd care to argue that FaceID on Macs is not out because Apple wants to but they can't fit the hardware necessary into the excessively thin monitor of the current MacBook Pro generation.
Also, you can also Google a lot how many people like FaceID over TouchID and there are plenty of articles showing people liking FaceID better. I don't think there is enough to say FaceID is a poorly received feature anymore than my personal experience that it is well received.
Not saying that either of us are wrong or right, all I'm sayings that it is my opinion and logic to say that Apple isn't likely to implement TouchID on new designs anymore, outside of devices where they can't incorporate FaceID into the hardware.
We don't know if it's due to hardware problems or not. Remember before everything Apple is a business.
If Apple is filling out the iPad line to maximize profits at all pricepoints, it makes it very obvious that the iPhone line will most likely get the same treatment.
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I cant see that happening. All new iPhones have FaceID older models have touch ID, with maybe the cost of FaceID being cheaper and a improved version available for the new phones possibly the older FaceID tech may be what is in the cheaper iPhones. I find FaceID about the same as TouchID at times , especially on the iPhone XS, and on the ipad its
a bit more of a pain because my palm covers the sensor, it really needs it built into the long side not the short side at the top more so on the 12.9" iPad really. However websites unlocking and apps unlocking without having to press anything is so much more pleasant than pressing the screen. On my iPhone XS it hardly fails at all, I would say about the same as variant 2 of Touch ID.
FaceID is more of a pain on the iPad tbh and thats about ergonomics and thin bezels ironically in landscape mode. Yes it would be nice to have a choice if ultrasonic TouchID was brought aboard as well as FaceID, but Apple are not big on giving users choices really and are more likely to mess up a feature by taking support for it away, like FireWire 800 on old iMacs where suddenly with a new OS external hard drives used for time machine would never sleep when the iMac did because Apple decided it was time to move on to USB, they just didn't tell the user with FireWire 800 hardware! Getting a new iMac sorted that out as no more Firewire 800, but having gotten a maxed out BTO 2017 iMac I wont be upgrading that for a long time, especially when this years update is just a stop gap till they come up with a new iMac design, hell its the same chassis as mine even down to bluetooth 4.2 and the awful 720P Facetime camera it seems, and that's just an insult considering the price point of the iMacs. New iPhones and iPads have moved to bluetooth 5.0. This years iMac update feels rushed and a lazy update tbh, but that's a different subject.
Both technical solutions have pros and cons - FaceID is more secure (unless you are a twin/triplet etc) and convenient when you have gloves/wet hands etc, but TouchID is better for speed as you can unlock your phone as you take it out of your pocket or pick it up so when it is front of your face it's ready to go. I can see why Touch ID had to go - the full screen phones leave no room for TouchID and Apple will have seen the ergonomic issues with putting the sensor on the back or side of the phone.
I take the executives comments about TouchID under the screen with a pinch of salt as there was a lot of talk at the time that apple couldn't get it to work at all rather than it didn't give a good experience. I can fully appreciate that only having one part of the screen 'active' to under the screen TouchID isn't idea as this doesn't retain the 'out-of-sight' unlocking ability that traditional TouchID offers. However with the development of organic photodiodes (similar in concept to OLED) means that large area sensors could be realised. In fact, the true 'next-gen' TouchID could also incorporate vein-imaging to boost the security of TouchID to much higher levels.
I take the executives comments about TouchID under the screen with a pinch of salt as there was a lot of talk at the time that apple couldn't get it to work at all rather than it didn't give a good experience. I can fully appreciate that only having one part of the screen 'active' to under the screen TouchID isn't idea as this doesn't retain the 'out-of-sight' unlocking ability that traditional TouchID offers. However with the development of organic photodiodes (similar in concept to OLED) means that large area sensors could be realised. In fact, the true 'next-gen' TouchID could also incorporate vein-imaging to boost the security of TouchID to much higher levels.
Wait...what?! Majority hate FaceID??? Not well received?!
Wasn’t there a survey of customer satisfaction of X owners and over 90% of folks like FaceID?
Geez, let’s talk reality, not unfounded ramblings.
Lol
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FaceID is the biometrics of choice for full screen phones. There is no debate on this. Even TheVerge, Android sites, etc. all agree.
Wasn’t there a survey of customer satisfaction of X owners and over 90% of folks like FaceID?
Geez, let’s talk reality, not unfounded ramblings.
Lol
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[doublepost=1553509992][/doublepost]Let me remind folks here the "other" option and how well it works: Straight Poll - Face ID or Ultrasonic ID
FaceID is the biometrics of choice for full screen phones. There is no debate on this. Even TheVerge, Android sites, etc. all agree.
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No it’s not. It’s only there because Apple couldn’t get Touch ID under the iPhone X’s screen. It created more problems than it solved.
Now Samsung has technology that will eat Apple’s lunch very soon (I think it will be perfect in next year’s S11) and we’ll be left with the equivalent of USB 1.1.
Lol. Read the link above in my post. Apple made the right decision. Samsung S10 biometric decision is now suffering from its misfire!
S11? Let’s talk about current state of affair instead of speculating on something that you have zero clue about.
FaceID is the GOLD STANDARD of biometric for full display smartphone.
Quoting iVerge and announcing a Samsung “misfire” is very poor technique.
I am absolutely sure Samsung’s ultrasonic touch will be perfect come the next generation. This is not speculation, it’s evolution.
Meanwhile Face ID’s shortcomings are not going away anytime soon.
Low end devices will retain Touch ID until Face ID models and the design language becomes cheaper to mass produce. In the future, low end models may have Face ID/Notch, while high end models have everything under the screen.
I don’t understand all the hate for FaceID. It works infinity better than TouchID for me. I’ve had my XS Max for 6 months now and I can count the number of re-scans needed on 1 hand in that time. It was that per month with TouchID.
Apple’s FaceID is the gold standard for Biometric unlock as far as I’m concerned.
Apple’s FaceID is the gold standard for Biometric unlock as far as I’m concerned.
Speculation on S11. Not even rumors! LOL smh
FaceID will improve and will get better...see REAL evolution with the iPad PRO. And it will get better.
More info:
TheVerge REAL S10 review: https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/1/1...lus-android-phone-review-price-specs-features
“The target area for the reader is rather small (though the lockscreen will show you a diagram of where to place your finger) and I had to be very deliberate with my finger placement to get it to work.
Even then, I often had to try more than once before the S10 would unlock. I’d just rather have a Face ID system that requires less work to use, or at the very least, an old-school fingerprint scanner on the back of the phone. The S10 does have a face unlock feature, but it’s just using the camera to look for your face and compare it to a previous image — there’s no 3D mapping or anything. I was actually able to unlock the S10 with a video of my face played on another phone.
But here’s my feedback to Samsung: go copy Apple’s Face ID system. It’s far easier and more reliable to use than the S10’s nifty-looking but ultimately disappointing in-screen fingerprint scanner.”
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Android Police review:
“More substantial an issue is the dreaded in-screen fingerprint reader. I don’t want to say I hate it. I really, really don’t like it, though. After a patch to address its performance was issued to my phone mid-review, it got better, but this is still such a downgrade from even Samsung’s badly-placed capacitive scanners in terms of experience. Even after over two full weeks with the phone, my thumbs never developed good enough muscle memory to land dead on the scanner more than 50% of the time, and there’s no haptic feedback to let you know the scanner is reading or if an unlock was successful (this boggles my mind). While it’s not Nokia 9 bad - Ryan is all but prepared to call that phone unrecommendable - it’s that terrible - the in-display fingerprint scanner is in all material respects a regression from the capacitive sensors in last year’s phones. What's worse is that it's gotten even more unreliable the more I've used it, as though the phone is unlearning my fingerprint. It's maddening. This was a bad decision, and it’s the one thing that I think truly mars the Galaxy S10 in my eyes. It’s not a deal-breaker, it’s just… not good.”
In every way, a functional and practical regression from a capacitive scanner. Go back to the drawing board (read: Face ID), Samsung.
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Another Android reviewer who are disappointed:
https://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-galaxy-s10-plus-review-961423/
“In my testing, the fingerprint reader on the Samsung Galaxy S10 was extremely inconsistent. Samsung issued a software update a couple of days after we received the device which was meant to help with accuracy, but I didn’t see much improvement after re-registering my thumbs. The optical reader on the OnePlus 6T has been much faster and more reliable so far....”
And this site rarely say anything bad about Android!! Lol
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TheVerge did another review on smaller S10...same conclusion:
“Speaking of the fingerprint scanner, it is the same as the one on the S10 Plus, which means that it’s not very good. It is slower and less accurate than the capacitive fingerprint scanners on many other phones, including last year’s Galaxy S9, and it’s nowhere near as convenient as the facial identification system on Apple’s iPhone XS and XR. Removing the preinstalled screen protector did improve my hit rate, but I’m still not a fan of this fingerprint scanner.”
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CNET:
“The ultrasonic fingerprint reader in the other Galaxy S10 phones is supposed to be a huge advantage. It's meant to be faster, more secure and work through water and grease. But the Galaxy S10 Plus' in-screen fingerprint scanner hasn't lived up to the promise. Fingerprint recognition is hit or miss, and it takes a beat to unlock the phone. There are definitely limitations for wet and greasy fingers, and that's after two software updates.”
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PCMag:
"But that's the thing—you have to hit the screen at the exact right spot. Hitting it off-center results in rejected touches. There's no visual guideline to do so when the screen is off, and no physical guide (like the ridge of a physical sensor) at all. The sensor is less accurate with a wet finger, and not usable at all with a dirty or goopy finger.
The fingerprint sensing area is a small spot near the bottom of the phone. There's no physical guide to it, and you do have to press that spot precisely. An off-center touch won't work, and too quick a tap will result in a message saying, "Keep your finger on the sensor a little longer." A definite press of the pad of your finger is the best bet."
My results with dry fingers depended on the style of touch and which finger I used. With a definite press of my right thumb, I got 100 percent accuracy. With my left thumb, I only got 80 percent, perhaps because of the different angle I was pressing at. With quick, thoughtless touches or swipes of my thumb, recognition went down to 50 to 60 percent, leading me to turn facial recognition on.
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Enough said.
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The problem is that the current ultrasonic scanner (in S10) has a small area. So, while driving, you won't be able to unlock your phone unless you get it just right.......and to do so, requires much more attention from you than FaceID. In my car, i have my iPhone mounted on AC vent up high. I just glance and it unlocks. With S10, you have to look at your phone much more to guide your finger to appropriate area. You canNOT unlock S10 by "feel".
There is only so much space inside a phone for all these techs. That's why Samsung also got rid of iris scanner.
BTW, how can you be critical of FaceID when you have not used it?
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Choice? Half-assed choice? Sorry, i rather Apple keep on concentrating on and improving FaceID...for example, like how it did with the iPad Pro FaceID.
I think it's so little acceptance that people have different experiences with their devices. The person who loves FaceID and has a failure rate of once per month might have a different experience than the person who uses their device in different ways and they struggle with FaceID in ways TouchID never did. It's not the same for every individual.
But you are absolutely sure ultrasonic reader will? Where do you get this stuff from? Just look how Face ID was improved on the iPad compared to previous iPhones. If a fingerprint reader ever comes back it will work in conjunction with Face ID. Not replace it.