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I think it's so little acceptance that people have different experiences with their devices. The person who loves FaceID and has a failure rate of once per month might have a different experience than the person who uses their device in different ways and they struggle with FaceID in ways TouchID never did. It's not the same for every individual.

Perhaps... but calling it out as "unreliable junk" and "a gimmick" seems over the top. He's free to believe that from his personal experience (IF that's even true), but to label it so for everyone is nothing more than simple trolling.
 
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Perhaps... but calling it out as "unreliable junk" and "a gimmick" seems over the top. He's free to believe that from his personal experience (IF that's even true), but to label it so for everyone is nothing more than simple trolling.

Was just about to type the same thing. His last remark was also already pointed out as being incorrect.

In my own personal experience and also being a skeptic in buying the 8 plus instead of the X as I wasn't sure how good it was going to be. I'm still amazed with my XS in both the angles or when I have parts of my face covered where it still unlocks. Especially the iPad. During the opening of the folio keyboard the iPad is already unlocked.
 
Nice. I guess you and I live in different worlds. FaceID is incredibly reliable for me... and is significantly more secure (faces vs fingerprints)... but yeah, if you think it's "unreliable junk" and "a gimmick", then it must be true,

I don’t understand all the hate for FaceID. It works infinity better than TouchID for me. I’ve had my XS Max for 6 months now and I can count the number of re-scans needed on 1 hand in that time. It was that per month with TouchID.

Agree. For me Face ID is incredibly accurate. It works when I'm holding the phone in front of me, when the phone is propped up on a stand on my desk, when I'm wearing my sunglasses, etc. It's very rare that I have to retry a face scan. I would never buy a Touch ID device again.
 
I think it's so little acceptance that people have different experiences with their devices. The person who loves FaceID and has a failure rate of once per month might have a different experience than the person who uses their device in different ways and they struggle with FaceID in ways TouchID never did. It's not the same for every individual.

This is a good point. I've been very impressed with FaceID. Works like a charm - for me. But I know there are people out there who legitimately can't get it to work consistently. Why, I don't know...perhaps something went awry when they registered their faces (though if that's the problem, they should just register again). Whatever the case, if I couldn't get it to work I'd probably be down on the technology and wishing for the return of TouchID.

Fortunately it seems that only a small minority of users experience issues with FaceID. It works very well for most of us. Same could be said for TouchID.

Perhaps... but calling it out as "unreliable junk" and "a gimmick" seems over the top. He's free to believe that from his personal experience (IF that's even true), but to label it so for everyone is nothing more than simple trolling.

A huge overreaction/generalization for sure, but - if it's true - I can understand the frustration. Of course, there's certainly a chance it's simply an attempt at trolling.
 
But you are absolutely sure ultrasonic reader will? Where do you get this stuff from? Just look how Face ID was improved on the iPad compared to previous iPhones. If a fingerprint reader ever comes back it will work in conjunction with Face ID. Not replace it.

My main issue with Face ID is not speed or recognizing my face. It's good and quick at that.

However, when you're not looking at your phone, when you're lying in bed, face is covered, wearing certain sunglasses etc. etc. it doesn't work and Touch ID worked perfectly fine. I hate hate hate how it simply will refuse to work on a sunny Saturday morning with my Persol sunglasses that have been around since at least the 1960s.

Meanwhile, Touch ID didn't work when you were wearing gloves (but then neither would your phone unless you had one of those Robocop gloves) and when your fingers are covered in delicious KFC grease. And that was about it.

And that stuff is inherent to how Face ID works (having a clear shot at your face).

I'm absolutely sure Samsung is throwing resources at Ultraosnic to improve it and it will eventually evolve
 
I would buy a new iPhone SE in a heartbeat. My current SE just hit two years and will soon need a battery replacement. I'm starting to show signs of gadget lust but all the current iPhones are too large for my tastes.

Hopefully we get some word of something coming soon.
 
I don’t understand all the hate for FaceID. It works infinity better than TouchID for me. I’ve had my XS Max for 6 months now and I can count the number of re-scans needed on 1 hand in that time. It was that per month with TouchID.

Apple’s FaceID is the gold standard for Biometric unlock as far as I’m concerned.

Generally, I don’t think Face ID is complained of too much outside these forums. On sites like this, _everything_ Apple is scrutinized, that’s just how it is per se. Altogether, everyone I have encountered who has used Face ID, has had no negative remarks. Now, it’s not perfect, but nothing biometric security is perfect, it’s the nature of ‘evolving tech’. Face ID has a very promising future, it’s just getting started.
 
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My main issue with Face ID is not speed or recognizing my face. It's good and quick at that.

However, when you're not looking at your phone, when you're lying in bed, face is covered, wearing certain sunglasses etc. etc. it doesn't work and Touch ID worked perfectly fine. I hate hate hate how it simply will refuse to work on a sunny Saturday morning with my Persol sunglasses that have been around since at least the 1960s.

Meanwhile, Touch ID didn't work when you were wearing gloves (but then neither would your phone unless you had one of those Robocop gloves) and when your fingers are covered in delicious KFC grease. And that was about it.

And that stuff is inherent to how Face ID works (having a clear shot at your face).

I'm absolutely sure Samsung is throwing resources at Ultraosnic to improve it and it will eventually evolve

Have you used Face ID?
Doesn’t sound like it.

Yeah about the ultra Sonic fingerprint sensor, its an off the shelf component by qualcomm, Samsung or any other one can just buy it and use it in their phones.

Face ID is an apple exclusive.

I bet you will change your tune regarding 3D facial recognition and their limitations compared to fingerprint sensor when Samsung finally ditches fingerprints and replaces it with a 3D facial recognition system.

Let’s see what happens next year with the s11.

Does anyone remember when every Samsung user touted the superiority of iris recognition over 3D facial biometrics, wonder what happened to that technology, you know because it was so great, probably what’s going to happen with the off the shelf ultrasonic sensor next year.

What color iPhone XS or xr do you have?
 
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Have you used Face ID?
Doesn’t sound like it.

Yeah about the ultra Sonic fingerprint sensor, its an off the shelf component by qualcomm, Samsung or any other one can just buy it and use it in their phones.

Face ID is an apple exclusive.

I bet you will change your tune regarding 3D facial recognition and their limitations compared to fingerprint sensor when Samsung finally ditches fingerprints and replaces it with a 3D facial recognition system.

Let’s see what happens next year with the s11.

Does anyone remember when every Samsung user touted the superiority of iris recognition over 3D facial biometrics, wonder what happened to that technology, you know because it was so great, probably what’s going to happen with the off the shelf ultrasonic sensor next year.

What color iPhone XS or xr do you have?

You wrote 6 paragraphs and incredibly not one single letter aimed at dismissing or countering anything I said except for “havent you used faceid lolol rofl”. That’s very impressive.

I have a white 64GB iPhone XR, which I bought with my own money for personal use, and these are all real limitations of Face ID. I’ve had probably around 6 or 7 iPhones since the 3GS and the only other smartphone I ever had was a Nokia N95, and that was over 10 years ago.

You probably have very serious limitations if you really believe anyone that isn’t an unconditional Apple fanboy can only be a Samsung fanboy. I feel sorry for you in that case.
 
You wrote 6 paragraphs and incredibly not one single letter aimed at dismissing or countering anything I said except for “havent you used faceid lolol rofl”. That’s very impressive.

I have a white 64GB iPhone XR, which I bought with my own money for personal use, and these are all real limitations of Face ID. I’ve had probably around 6 or 7 iPhones since the 3GS and the only other smartphone I ever had was a Nokia N95, and that was over 10 years ago.

You probably have very serious limitations if you really believe anyone that isn’t an unconditional Apple fanboy can only be a Samsung fanboy. I feel sorry for you in that case.

So get rid of your XR. Get 8+. Or Get Samsung since they’re throwing money at the horrendous biometric that they have now.
 
You wrote 6 paragraphs and incredibly not one single letter aimed at dismissing or countering anything I said except for “havent you used faceid lolol rofl”. That’s very impressive.

I have a white 64GB iPhone XR, which I bought with my own money for personal use, and these are all real limitations of Face ID. I’ve had probably around 6 or 7 iPhones since the 3GS and the only other smartphone I ever had was a Nokia N95, and that was over 10 years ago.

You probably have very serious limitations if you really believe anyone that isn’t an unconditional Apple fanboy can only be a Samsung fanboy. I feel sorry for you in that case.

Sure you have an iPhone XR “which you purchased with your own money”, I mean how else would you purchase a phone?

You claimed Face ID was both quick and accurate did you not?
The went on with some asinine claims such as doesn’t work when your not looking at it ? Or doesn’t work when your face is partially covered? Asinine claims indeed, especially when it’s next to impossible to unlock an s10 without looking at it to hit the ultrasonic sweet spot, or that it won’t work if your finger was partially covered either. Doesn’t really warrant a rebuttal, not to mention owning a pair of persols that work fine with Face ID. Hence why I don’t believe your claim and frankly still don’t. I bet you never tried the ultrasonic fingerprint sensor either, doesn’t seem to stop you from praising it incessantly, Serious limitations indeed.
 
People are subjective. Some are never going to be fully happy with Face ID or Bio-metric Scanners. Both are good technologies and Apple users should be pissed off that they can't have both to choose from. Instead of choice, all we see is this^^. Apple users fighting other Apple users. Yeah, lets attack each other. Great plan.
 
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Arguing semantics about ‘what is wrong with Face ID’ v.s. ‘Who prefers what’ is completely variable. Obviously everybody’s experience is different, some have negative things to say about Face ID and others have nothing but positive things. The reality is, -who cares- what someone else’s opinion is, as long as you appreciate the technology working for you, then great. And if it doesn’t work to your expectations with Face ID, then move on to something else that does.
 
can't blame them, faceid is unreliable junk.

nothing more than a gimmick with a failure rate 3x that of touchid.

it didn't even work when it was demo'd to the entire world lmao.

Source?

One, it is not a gimmick. Also, what is this about a 3x failure rate? Two, the device was locked for a long period of time and required the use of a passcode in order to turn on FaceID.

Don't fall for his bait.
 
People are subjective. Some are never going to be fully happy with Face ID or Bio-metric Scanners. Both are good technologies and Apple users should be pissed off that they can't have both to choose from. Instead of choice, all we see is this^^. Apple users fighting other Apple users. Yeah, lets attack each other. Great plan.

Oh since you’re here too...let me update ya...Consumer Reports this time:

“For me and many others, the fingerprint scanner on the back of Samsung’s older Galaxy phones was a routine source of irritation. While reaching for it with my finger, I invariably smudged the rear camera lenses.

The S10 and S10+ eliminate that problem by embedding the scanner in the front display. And that’s great when it works. To unlock the phone, you simply place your finger on the screen. But the new technology can be buggy. More often than not, I fell back on the option of drawing the phone’s unlock pattern or using the less than perfectly secure 2D facial recognition to unlock my phone.“
 
Touch ID is going to be around, I believe. It has uses.

I’m curious if the iPod touch is actually updated as it has been rumored, if it retains touch ID or not. That was the one product I was interested to see if it would launch or not last week, (Which it didn’t), but I still think the iPod touch will be updated again at some point in Apples lineup, maybe around WWDC or even in the fall. My point being, it still shows that touch ID has an extended life if Apple uses it for the iPod touch, just like they used it for the entry-level $329 iPad and the newest iPad mini.
 
I don't see why some people complain about Face ID so much. It's extremely rare that it fails for me. Touch ID worked most of the time but had much more failures. Maybe if I was an office worker or someone with smooth hands Touch ID would work better for me. Don't get me wrong I liked Touch ID and the old style iPhone when it was out but now that I have Face ID with the new gestures there's no way I could go back. Every time I pick up my old iPhone 7 Plus I realize how much the new iPhone design has improved.
 
Back to the subject at hand: Apple has not introduced any "new" TouchID applications. Instead, Apple has updated the innards of existing hardware. None of these applications are groundbreaking. Odds are still FaceID will reign king from this point forward as under screen sensors just are not very good.
 
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I’m curious if the iPod touch is actually updated as it has been rumored, if it retains touch ID or not. That was the one product I was interested to see if it would launch or not last week, (Which it didn’t), but I still think the iPod touch will be updated again at some point in Apples lineup, maybe around WWDC or even in the fall. My point being, it still shows that touch ID has an extended life if Apple uses it for the iPod touch, just like they used it for the entry-level $329 iPad and the newest iPad mini.

And new MacBook Air.
 
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