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iPhone Apple Mail or Outlook app?

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If you said do you trust Microsoft security, who host millions and millions of 365 accounts and I have not heard any major issues, or Readdle/Edison with a limited track record. Who would you choose?
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This, of course, opens up the whole can of worms that traditionally plague arguments about which OS is more secure. In that argument, which is a bigger, more rewarding target? A big company who host 'millions and millions' or a smaller company with fewer users? Of course, neither Microsoft nor Apple are small companies (and that also argues for AV software on both platforms) and are open to attack. Or are companies looking for opportunities to monitize our use for their bottom line.

And again, for email, that relies on how comfortable you feel with either (any) company having that data and how 'secure' they actually are.
 
I've been a staunch Outlook user for years - never had a problem (never use stock apps outside of Apple's Calendar anymore)
 
Speaking of Apple Mail, I really wish Apple would offer the passcode security option when opening the app.

I don’t use Outlook anymore. But when I did, passcode for the app was a feature I liked.

Having to wait for mail to download after I already see the badge telling me there is mail, is a pain in the butt.

Apple uses Amazon for their cloud service. You take a risk with any app or company. The best you can do is mitigate the pofpr bad actors as best you can.

I also think the mail retrieval delay is mostly a iOS problem. I hope we see better from Apple with iOS 14.
 
Bazza1 said:
This, of course, opens up the whole can of worms that traditionally plague arguments about which OS is more secure. In that argument, which is a bigger, more rewarding target? A big company who host 'millions and millions' or a smaller company with fewer users? Of course, neither Microsoft nor Apple are small companies (and that also argues for AV software on both platforms) and are open to attack. Or are companies looking for opportunities to monitize our use for their bottom line.

And again, for email, that relies on how comfortable you feel with either (any) company having that data and how 'secure' they actually are.
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That's a logical fallacy. Being bigger and more of a target doesnt mean they arent spending an infinite more amount of money securing it than a little guy. That is like saying you shouldnt use 1Password or Lastpass because they are "bigger" Well no, they spend a TON of money on cybersecurity/monitoring; far more than any little guy or yourself hosting your own password vault could. The fact that you can sync your own 1Password vault yourself over say Dropbox, is yet another point of high vulnerability. That is all that causes, it is not "more secure" because its not in the hands of the big company with the resources to protect it.

That relates directly to this 3rd party email app argument; another point of ingress and what is the most vulnerable point.

Your data is already "somewhere" be it Exchange/outook, gmail, yahoo, etc. It is NEVER 100% foolproof secure iron vault. That is another fallacy. Even with the Apple Mail app your data is in the cloud somewhere still. We cant pretend its ever 100% safe.

But if you asked me who do you trust more MS with decades of experience and a track record in the corporate world, or Edison who has been around in mail since 2016 (formerly Easilydo), with an already HORRIBLE publicly exposed track record for user privacy rights/data usage, its an easy A or B choice. MS is the stronger of the 2 possibl vulnerability spots in my opinion.

There is no exact science here, merely opinions. Everyone can do what they want with their data.
 
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Outlook on iOS is useless wrt contacts unless you either are talking to Exchange or keep your contacts in iCloud. It's ridiculous that every other email application on iOS has no problem with using any Contacts source configured, but Outlook just... can't. It's 2020, and MS can't support CardDAV?
 
I’m sticking with Apple Mail.
One interesting I noticed, and maybe this is a bug, is under notification sounds for the Apple Mail app is None (default).

Next question, if someone sends me a Teams or Skype for Business meeting invite, will Apple Mail support it?

Will the meeting request be automatically imported to Apple Calendar?
 
iphonefreak450 said:
One interesting I noticed, and maybe this is a bug, is under notification sounds for the Apple Mail app is None (default).
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No big, change it to what you want the notification to be. I disremember whether it's ever selected a sound by default.

Next question, if someone sends me a Teams or Skype for Business meeting invite, will Apple Mail support it?
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Support? If you have either app installed, they will launch if you click on the link, if that's what you mean.

Will the meeting request be automatically imported to Apple Calendar?
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Depends on what sent the notice. Most normal ones are recognized.
 
gaanee said:
So either you have to share your data to use the app or not use it at all, so how is that an alternative to Mail or Outlook?
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Because Apple Mail doesn’t work good and Outlook does only show me iCloud emails a few days later after a tone. Is Outlook better in privacy? It was always my favorite mail app.
 
So what are people using if "anything but Apple Mail?" We get is bad but elaborate what you are using and why, that would be a but more helpful to the discussion.

I beta test most of these big 3rd party ones so I jump around between betas. I am not a prime example.

But yes, Outlook contacts not linking with iOS is a bit baffling. And their thread competition is pretty poor. Apple Mail and Spark both combine threads with similar links (from the same company) but Outlook leaves them separate. Which for me is a paint since one is a request and one is a reply so knowing which original email goes with is essential rather than matching the links in the emails manually for dozens a week.

Readlle Im not sure how much I trust their privacy we wont sell your data. I cant imagine the paid Teams feature makes enough to subsidize the free users (probably 100 to 1 free to paid users)

Edison lost my trust long ago with the media attention only then giving an opt out of data sharing. They wont get my trust back. Plus the app was always meh. Their threading was very weird where each reply was its own email you had to click into rather than on top of the rest in one view, and not worth using.
 
I have yet to find a "perfect" email client solution. I use Gmail for personal stuff, and Office365/Outlook for work. I beta test Canary, Airmail and Boomerang but all of those have their own quirks that eliminate them as daily drivers. Spark has been the closest to perfect I can find for my needs. Edison is second, and would probably be first except for all the unnecessary "assistant" garbage. I can turn most of it off, but the most annoying thing is getting package delivery notifications. I use a dedicated app for package tracking so I don't need this feature, but per Edison support there is no way to disable it. So when using Edison I get double notifications for packages.

I like Outlook a lot but since I work for a company on the "government" plan I can only have my work email in the app and I would prefer to have both accounts in the same place.

Another requirement for me is an in-app browser which is lacking in some email apps. I find it annoying to have to go back into Safari and close tabs opened by email.

All of these apps come soooo close. It seems like it shouldn't be that hard to create a really great email app!

Also, none of these opinions take into account privacy issues either.
 
Cogsworth said:
Edison is second, and would probably be first except for all the unnecessary "assistant" garbage. I can turn most of it off, but the most annoying thing is getting package delivery notifications. I use a dedicated app for package tracking so I don't need this feature, but per Edison support there is no way to disable it. So when using Edison I get double notifications for packages.
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Good point forgot about that one. I just dont like their threading system, it is not intuitive and makes no sense versus every other mail app (I think Airmail did it this way too, but last time I tested for them was before they went subscription, and always hated it)

Another requirement for me is an in-app browser which is lacking in some email apps. I find it annoying to have to go back into Safari and close tabs opened by email.
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Another good point and something for some reason they refuse to add to Outlook. I think the rest all do
 
Sorry for thread hijack, I’ve asked separately but never had a answer, as this is discussing the merits of Outlook and it seems fine for all of you can I ask my question.

Virgin media is my provider. I have Office 365 subscription or whatever it’s been renamed as recently.

Outlook is configured IMAP on MacBook Pro and for a while on my iPad. What happens is I’ll delete an email in the iPad app and it will create a duplicate in trash or I’ll move an email I need to keep to it’s relevant folder and again it will create a duplicate of that email. Only in the iOS app, it even does it on the iPhone too.

I’ve searched for help all over the net, there seems to be mention of its its gmail or yahoo there are fix suggestions but this is neither, like I say Virgin is my provider.

I delete the profile and re-add it, sometimes it’s okay for a couple of days then it will start happening again. I have created no rules, don’t know if that helps you any more. Thank you.
 
On my work Exchange email there are currently 4 items in the inbox. The Outlook app only shows 3, Apple Mail shows all 4. One of them is quite old but I can’t find a setting in the Outlook app to fetch all mail like I can in Apple Mail.
 
iphonefreak450 said:
Does anyone recommend to use the default Mail app or is Outlook the to choose?

My main concern is security. Which mail app would be secure and stable? The Mail app or Outlook?

Please don’t suggest another app. All I need is either Mail or Outlook.

Thanks
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RIGHT NOW there’s a security vulnerability in Apple’s Mail program that’s supposed to be fixed in the next version of iOS (13.4.5 or whatever it is) and the company that found it recommends using a third party program until the update,I think specifically mentioning Outlook and Gmail.

so for now, I actually have mail accounts shut off in Mail.

after it gets patched, then both should be fine, just use whatever you like best. I’ve got Mail, Outlook, and Gmail installed on both my devices and(normal) use them in various ways.
 
I use the outlook app, before that the gmail app just got more and more annoying. Like having a summery of the email on top of the actual email! That was just weird. Plus they didn't add dark mode for a long time and outlook had it longer iirc.

outlook actually has handy features like remembering some recent folders you moved emails to.
 
Does anyone test 3rd-party email apps for security vulnerabilities? Apple Mail app will get a fix in the next update, but who know about Spark, Edison, Canary and such apps. These apps offer some nice features but I tend to come back to either Apple Mail, Outlook or Gmail simply because these apps are developed by well known companies.. doesn't mean that they don't have bugs but at least the bugs are disclosed and patched.
 
gaanee said:
Does anyone test 3rd-party email apps for security vulnerabilities? Apple Mail app will get a fix in the next update, but who know about Spark, Edison, Canary and such apps. These apps offer some nice features but I tend to come back to either Apple Mail, Outlook or Gmail simply because these apps are developed by well known companies.. doesn't mean that they don't have bugs but at least the bugs are disclosed and patched.
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Wouldnt touch Edison with a 10 foot pole after the employees reading your emails scandal.

And now https://9to5mac.com/2020/05/16/edison-mail-unauthorized-access/ Ouch. Would never use them again

R'uh R'oh.
 
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