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steventheapple

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Aug 9, 2017
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I beta test Spark and Outlook and have been a loyal Apple Mail user for the longest time. I myself haven't found the perfect e-mail app and I am really hoping that Apple will improve it in iOS14.

Dealbreakers for me in Apple Mail are
  1. delay in receiving e-mails (Spark and Outlook always show the emails first. Even if it's to my iCloud address
  2. Format function is buggy and stupid
  3. can't collapse subfolders. So if I have several folders with 10 subfolders each, it requires a lot of scrolling to get to the last subfolder vs just collapsing the other folders.
  4. No snooze function
  5. No scheduled function
What I like about apple mail vs outlook/spark
  1. I can expand the threads (ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT FEATURES FOR ME)
  2. E-mails which are connected show me how they are. For example If I receive an email and forward it to someone, it will all show up above each other
If I could code, I would create the perfect e-mail app, thats for sure
 

Mitthrawnuruodo

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Mar 10, 2004
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My work email goes to my Outlook app. My personal Outlook email account, gmail and yahoo are all in the Apple Mail app. Just like personal stuff separated.
This is (basically) how I'm set up, too.

Using the Outlook app on the iPhone (without notifications to assure my sanity when at home), and using Outlook from the Office suite on my work Mac (and home Mac).

My personal mail account(s) - I've gotten it down to 3 after having too many for a while - uses Apple Mail on the iPhone, iPad and both Macs.

I do - however - like to bring my work mail up in Apple Mail (on the Mac) whenever I'm doing a "housecleaning" where I can choose both Inbox and Sent, sort the mails by conversation and then go through loads and loads archive and delete in bulk to achieve Inbox Zero.
 
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iDaniel88

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Jun 16, 2017
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I'm definitely not a "power user" but if you're already in the Apple ecosystem I see no reason to not use their stock mail app - unless you have some very specific requirements.
 

bransoj

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This is (basically) how I'm set up, too.

Using the Outlook app on the iPhone (without notifications to assure my sanity when at home), and using Outlook from the Office suite on my work Mac (and home Mac).

My personal mail account(s) - I've gotten it down to 3 after having too many for a while - uses Apple Mail on the iPhone, iPad and both Macs.

I do - however - like to bring my work mail up in Apple Mail (on the Mac) whenever I'm doing a "housecleaning" where I can choose both Inbox and Sent, sort the mails by conversation and then go through loads and loads archive and delete in bulk to achieve Inbox Zero.
This is exactly what i do. I have my work email, my own and our generic support inbox, in Outlook with no notifications so i can use it when out on sites etc or to check should i want to whilst i have my own personal gmail account in the stock app although again with no notifications other than the unread figure on the icon. I dont need emails urgently enough to need banner notifications etc for them.
 
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bheathain

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Oct 5, 2015
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I have had issues with finding one app that works exactly how I would like for all my accounts. I have an MS Office360 email with my work, and Outlook works awesome for that. The built in calendar (not separate) is great, and matches the desktop experience.

Then I have a Yahoo email address....I have utilized it within Outlook, Yahoo Mail app, and Spark. I keep going back and forth between the products, but with the most recent update to the Yahoo app, I have gone back to it from Spark. I still use Spark on my Macbook for my Yahoo account. It seems to work better, especially for searching, than the web Yahoo interface. And it has a focused inbox which is nice.
 

dudeslife

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Jul 25, 2011
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As someone who uses both, I find outlook to be way more organized and have a better interface. Not sure about security and stability, though most email is encrypted nowadays. Outlook's "Focused" inbox feature is very helpful.

where is the share sheet in Outlook?
 

jahala

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Feb 7, 2008
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I used Apple Mail for Office 365 for years. Since Catalina 10.5.4, Apple Mail respects the Office 365 security policies so now I have to use Outlook. If we are talking only about email, I much prefer Apple Mail. I think Apple Mail's search is excellent, and it has some great plugins like Mail Act-On.

If we are talking about all the Exchange Calendar features and integrations with Teams and Skype for Business, then Outlook is the better choice.
 

Le Big Mac

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How does Outlook integrate with gmail these days? It used to be a mess because gmail's labels weren't really IMAP folders. Has that been fixed?

I like Outlook over Mail, but haven't dared try to sort out the gmail thing since I tried 6-7 years ago.
 

WorldIRC

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Sep 25, 2005
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I have yet to find a mail app that can reliably manage push on all of my folders and provide an All Mail virtual folder (shows contents of all of my synced folders in one folder).

Mail does sync all folders, but however they do it, causes my 365 server to temporarily black list access due to too many requests.

Nine Mail finally has an iOS app that does sync all folders and offers the All Mail folder, but every few days the app stops pushing notifications until I reboot.

Outlook is a nice app, but for some reason, only the inbox folder can be pushed.

Email is my most important use case in Mobile. Because of this, I still use Android as Nine on Android checks all my boxes.
 

maclawyermom

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Mar 9, 2021
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I have been a loyal Apple Mail user since 2003. I found the IMAP folder list in the newest version cumbersome and our software person convinced me that Outlook was far superior and raved about its interaction with calendar and made me feel like Apple Mail is just so widely accepted to be inferior. I was also hoping impressed by a CLE demo of Netdocs which we later realized we cannot afford. And so, stupidly, I allowed myself to be convinced and thereafter spent days, possibly over a week, making the switch, dealing with the GMAIL label issue, etc. Holy cow it took forever.

Finally I got it all transferred over and then realized that Outlook won't let me make folders on Gmail accounts. While I guess we could blame this on Gmail and not Outlook, my super special new version of Outlook won't let me make folders at all. The capability is gone entirely. I Googled it, only to find that thousands of users have been complaining about it for a full year and there's no response from Outlook suggesting that they plan to add the capability. The Microsoft ToDo is a freaking joke -- again with the thousands of people saying the 'My Day' function is faulty and no response.

And suddenly, I'm reminded of the millions of reasons why, 17 years ago, I stopped using a PC. They suck. This is why. It's still freaking true!!!

Anyway, I'm now switching back, I guess, which makes me want to cry because it's going to be so much work and important emails that I need to feel and carefully label/file will certainly be lost in the process. Maybe this isn't an issue for non-lawyers but I feel like the bar rules require me to be very careful about having all client correspondence available and to me-- that means in separate folders and carefully maintained.
 
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