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Good to see the EU actually doing something good for the consumers. Can't wait to see how apple gets slapped for their "compliance" with DMA on app store/payments, etc. Good to see the DOJ stepping int too, and we'll likely see similar cases in other jurisdictions as well.

The EU and CMA in the UK are hitting the wrong end of it all.

Why isn't there an API and documentation for reminders and notes? Our data is impossible to extract from the ecosystem or back up in a portable manor. It's cut and paste it and cross fingers they don't lose it.

I don't care about the hardware of the store. That's all transient. My data is not.
 
Why isn't there an API and documentation for reminders and notes? Our data is impossible to extract from the ecosystem or back up in a portable manor. It's cut and paste it and cross fingers they don't lose it.

While that would also be nice, one can very easily use other reminders and notes apps

Hardware lockdown is something that can only be addressed through regulation and forcing Apples hand
 
Innovation doesn't mean sales.

No, but economic success is usually involved.

"The concept of innovation emerged after the Second World War, mostly thanks to the works of Joseph Schumpeter (1883–1950) who described the economic effects of innovation processes as Constructive destruction. " -Wikipedia

Joseph Schumpeter is best known for his concept of creative destruction, where innovation disrupts existing markets, creating new opportunities and rendering old technologies or businesses obsolete. Schumpeter emphasized that entrepreneurs are central to this process by introducing new products, processes, or organizational methods that drive economic growth.

Again from the Wikipedia-article on innovation:
Surveys of the literature on innovation have found a variety of definitions. In 2009, Baregheh et al. found around 60 definitions in different scientific papers, while a 2014 survey found over 40.[7] Based on their survey, Baragheh et al. attempted to formulate a multidisciplinary definition and arrived at the following:

"Innovation is the multi-stage process whereby organizations transform ideas into new/improved products, service or processes, in order to advance, compete and differentiate themselves successfully in their marketplace"[8]
In a study of how the software industry considers innovation, the following definition given by Crossan and Apaydin was considered to be the most complete. Crossan and Apaydin built on the definition given in the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) Oslo Manual:[7]

Innovation is production or adoption, assimilation, and exploitation of a value-added novelty in economic and social spheres; renewal and enlargement of products, services, and markets; development of new methods of production; and the establishment of new management systems. It is both a process and an outcome.
 
Nope, I didn't forget, but what you said doesn't really address that.

It literally does. You can't imagine it, therefore implying it's not exciting to many. meanwhile, pages of people saying they do want it implying many people are excited. see the contradiction?

Again, not a rebuttal to anything I said. Plenty of things can have a ton of users and still be utter trash.

lmao. so you're using evidence of pages of people complaining about hard to replace batteries but ignoring millions of pages of people loving ChatGPT.

your essential argument is: it's not exciting to you and you think it's garbage, therefore it represents EU's view. meanwhile, you're ignoring millions of pages of evidence that disagree with you.

nah, I'm done.
 
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Apple has begun mass producing the new iPhone lineup, including the Pro series, in India just days after starting to manufacture the high-end handsets in China, underscoring the tech giant's push to build up supply chains outside Asia's biggest economy, Nikkei Asia has learned.
 
Really? Should a car manufacture force you to use one of their dealers to repair your car or make it harder/impossible for a consumer or 3rd party to work on it?

Yes, as long as you as a potential customer was made aware of it before buying the car, a car manufacturer should be allowed to not support third party repairs.

Of course, it shouldn't be illegal for third parties to TRY to repair such cars.
 
lmao. so you're using evidence of pages of people complaining about hard to replace batteries but ignoring millions of pages of people loving ChatGPT.
If you really want/need it that badly, why not download the OpenAI app and just start using it there? There are also other nice models and apps to choose from. Apple AI won't be using the most compute intesive models anyway. So it's better to go directly to the source.
 
No, but economic success is usually involved.

"The concept of innovation emerged after the Second World War, mostly thanks to the works of Joseph Schumpeter (1883–1950) who described the economic effects of innovation processes as Constructive destruction. " -Wikipedia

Joseph Schumpeter is best known for his concept of creative destruction, where innovation disrupts existing markets, creating new opportunities and rendering old technologies or businesses obsolete. Schumpeter emphasized that entrepreneurs are central to this process by introducing new products, processes, or organizational methods that drive economic growth.

Again from the Wikipedia-article on innovation:
Surveys of the literature on innovation have found a variety of definitions. In 2009, Baregheh et al. found around 60 definitions in different scientific papers, while a 2014 survey found over 40.[7] Based on their survey, Baragheh et al. attempted to formulate a multidisciplinary definition and arrived at the following:


In a study of how the software industry considers innovation, the following definition given by Crossan and Apaydin was considered to be the most complete. Crossan and Apaydin built on the definition given in the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) Oslo Manual:[7]
And yet innovation is still not sales. It just means doing something in a new way. You would assume you'd choose to do something in a new way to further a goal or interest (and for companies that's usually just getting more profit) but that still doesn't make them analogous.


It literally does. You can't imagine it implying it's not exciting while pages of people saying they do want it implying many people are excited.
I can say I can't imagine being excited about anything I want. That means I don't see myself ever being excited about that thing. You're getting hung up on your own misunderstanding of a fairly straightforward sentence.

lmao. so you're using evidence of pages of people complaining about hard to replace batteries but ignoring millions of pages of people loving ChatGPT.

your essential argument is: it's not exciting to you and you think it's garbage, therefore it represents EU's view. meanwhile, you're ignoring millions of pages of evidence that disagrees with you.

nah, I'm done.
No, I'm showing you that even by the standard of evidence you presented, my point is still more widely supported. You presented internet comments as proof, I just pointed out that there are more comments for the other side of things.
 
See the many hundred of pages of complaints about Apple making batteries hard to service.

See the hundreds of complaints about AI being garbage.

See your point not being as good as you thought it was.
See the over half a million iPhones sold every single day. It seems more people are happy with Apple and its products than the same old vocal-minority complainers on this site would want you to believe.
 
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Apple has begun mass producing the new iPhone lineup, including the Pro series, in India just days after starting to manufacture the high-end handsets in China, underscoring the tech giant's push to build up supply chains outside Asia's biggest economy, Nikkei Asia has learned.
"30 million iPhones were assembled in India last year". apple made ~240million last year (https://www.statista.com/statistics/276306/global-apple-iphone-sales-since-fiscal-year-2007/) total where at least 70 million of iPhone 15 series were shipped by October 2023 (https://www.displaysupplychain.com/...her-than-the-iphone-14-series-through-october). Extrapolating, iPhone 15 likely exceeds 120 million but let's assume 120 million in 2023.

India accounts for about ~12% of that 240 million production. apple continues to make SE, 14, 15 models. of that 12%, we're talking maybe 5% of 240 million being latest gen phones or about 12 million production in India. 12 million of 120 would be 10% of all latest gen phone production at best. and then we have to worry about how much of that 12 million is domestic vs for export.

hardly enough to offset a more expensive part while keeping the price tag the same for global shipments.
 
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LOL...I owned a 5S for five years and the battery capacity was still above 80% when I traded it in. Same thing with the XS. So it's not actually that hard to get long battery life from an iPhone. This law seems more like it's targeting the used/refurbished market than anything else.
 
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See the over half a million iPhones sold every single day. It seems more people are happy with Apple and its products than the same old vocal-minority complainers on this site would want you to believe.
Complaining about a product doesn’t mean you don’t have one. I have an iPhone and have all sorts of complaints with it. At no point did I suggest any of this would mean people wouldn’t buy iPhones.
 
Yes, as long as you as a potential customer was made aware of it before buying the car, a car manufacturer should be allowed to not support third party repairs.

Of course, it shouldn't be illegal for third parties to TRY to repair such cars.

restricting AI is hardly good.
Jury is out on that for me- I'll be interested to see how Apple implements it (US and elsewhere). I hope (not likely) that they'll allow customers to opt out of it/turn it off. Google's implementation of Gemini in the latest android release kind of blows and there is no real way to turn it off.
 
If you really want/need it that badly, why not download the OpenAI app and just start using it there? There are also other nice models and apps to choose from. Apple AI won't be using the most compute intesive models anyway. So it's better to go directly to the source.
the other person's argument was that AI is trash. it is not.
 
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which increased the cost of producing the iPhones and Apple subtracted new features that was originally planned just to comply with EU.

but that doesn't get talked about. just "bUt MuH CoNsuMeR rIgHtS" bro talk. annoying af.
Let's not act like apple has been one to give lots of new features each year. Gotta keep them to use as an upgrade when you have nothing else to (look at AI).
 
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It’s already veeeery easy to replace both battery AND screen.
I remember when Apple updated the iPhones to make this process easier a good few generations back, but making it even easier is definitely a good thing.

Noticed the Pixel 9 (just released) is as hard as ever for battery replacement from ifixit's review, maybe they'll get there eventually.... (not sure where Sammy is on this).
 
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