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nathansz said:
You could not be more wrong

In fact animal proteins are some of the leading carcinogens for humans

The interesting thing about belief is that it doesn’t make anything true ;)
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There are decades of medical studies on the bioavailability and uptake of animal-derived proteins in the human diet vs vegetable-derived sources. The data does show that animal proteins are superior to vegetable or legume-based proteins in terms of usability by the human body. I have no doubt that animal proteins may be carcinogenic, when consumed in highly-processed, hormonally augmented, chemically and antibiotic-laden foods we have on the market nowadays. Studies DO show that as part of a healthy diet with a good amount of fiber, fresh fruits and vegetables, that meats are not unhealthy, and in fact can be healthy. That’s not marketing nor propaganda, but based on real science performed over decades and published in peer-reviewed medical journals.
 
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Expos of 1969 said:
Can you be certain that the info on animal proteins could not be flawed like the long held belief that fat was a killer and sugar was not considered to be much of a problem? Or that fake sweetener is better than real sugar? I will take natural over lab produced fake meat and other products. Nothing wrong with real veg but I will never give up some real meat and dairy.
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You can give up animal products without eating any meat or dairy or any “lab produced” products

And you won’t have to worry about cholesterol!
 
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zinacef said:
If you think that, then you really need to do some more research. I urge you to watch the following documentaries as well - The Game Changers, Eating You Alive, & Forks Over Knives.
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I prefer to read medical studies published in peer reviewed journals vs watching a ’documentary,’ which in all likelihood, was created with the intent of telling a particular story, with a predetermined narrative, ie, ‘animal protein bad vs plant protein good.’ That’s not objectively presented information. It’s fine for what is presented, but that shouldn’t be the sole source of information on a subject as important as the foundation of human health and longevity.
 
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FriendlyMackle said:
There are decades of medical studies on the bioavailability and uptake of animal-derived proteins in the human diet vs vegetable-derived sources. The data does show that animal proteins are superior to vegetable or legume-based proteins in terms of usability by the human body. I have no doubt that animal proteins may be carcinogenic, when consumed in highly-processed, hormonally augmented, chemically and antibiotic-laden foods we have on the market nowadays. Studies DO show that as part of a healthy diet with a good amount of fiber, fresh fruits and vegetables, that meats are not unhealthy, and in fact can be healthy. That’s not marketing nor propaganda, but based on real science performed over decades and published in peer-reviewed medical journals.
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Even if that is correct, it does not mean that you NEED animal products.

indeed, raising animals for rape and slaughter on an industrial scale is cruel and unnecessary

And it is an ecological nightmare, which is the question you have not answered yet
 
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FriendlyMackle said:
I prefer to read medical studies published in peer reviewed journals vs watching a ’documentary,’ which in all likelihood, was created with the intent of telling a particular story, with a predetermined narrative, ie, ‘animal protein bad vs plant protein good.’ That’s not objectively presented information. It’s fine for what is presented, but that shouldn’t be the sole source of information on a subject as important as the foundation of human health and longevity.
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Okay, that’s actually better, because I would promote peer-review and evidence-based research articles over the documentaries.
With that being said and after doing some solid research, do come back and tell me if a plant-based diet is not more healthier in the long term.
 
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nathansz said:
If you’re really concerned about that than just eat some quinoa one a week or so

It is a complete protein
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I do eat quinoa, soybeans, peas, wheat gluten (seitan), tofu, and other healthy vegetable/legume foods. Weekly. I just also continue to consume some animal protein each week. Not on a daily basis, but every few days (probably 2x per week). I also take a vegetarian protein/meal supplement* (*which is formulated with protein and nutrient balance as a prime goal) to fill in places in my day or week where I don’t have time or don’t want to spend the time to prepare a meal. So, I have a quite varied and overall healthy diet. Which is why I have ideally low blood pressure, as well as other positive health markers, despite being over 50.

I’m not saying that a person cannot have an entirely vegetarian diet and be healthy—simply that it is very difficult to do so, and beyond all but the most mindful individuals. I’m not sure I could do it adequately (or without spending an inordinate amount of time focusing just on my diet—which isn’t something I want to do), and I have spent a lot of time researching foods and nutrition.
 
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zinacef said:
Okay, that’s actually better, because I would promote peer-review and evidence-based research articles over the documentaries.
With that being said and after doing some solid research, do come back and tell me if a plant-based diet is not more healthier in the long term.
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I think one should have a balanced diet with both healthy whole foods/grains/legumes and vegetables, fresh fruit, as well as a small portion of animal-derived proteins, in general. There IS plentiful published scientific data showing these kinds of diets to be healthful and promote both longevity as well as good physical health. I have done the research, but I’m not here to persuade you of anything. All of this information is publicly available. Just don’t go looking in popular non-fiction or magazine/newspaper publishing. So-called science writers seem to have little actual science education or sense. Again, medical studies, of which there are thousands(!) documented, demonstrate everything I have said and more.
 
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FriendlyMackle said:
I think one should have a balanced diet with both healthy whole foods/grains/legumes and vegetables, fresh fruit, as well as a small portion of animal-derived proteins, in general. There IS plentiful published scientific data showing these kinds of diets to be healthful and promote both longevity as well as good physical health. I have done the research, but I’m not here to persuade you of anything. All of this information is publicly available. Just don’t go looking in popular non-fiction or magazine/newspaper publishing. So-called science writers seem to have little actual science education or sense. Again, medical studies, of which there are thousands(!) documented, demonstrate everything I have said and more.
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Good point and well said, and so we’ll leave it like that. Have a good day Sir.
 
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FriendlyMackle said:
I’m not saying that a person cannot have an entirely vegetarian diet and be healthy—simply that it is very difficult to do so, and beyond all but the most mindful individuals
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That’s not even remotely the case

Millions of people do it more or less effortlessly

It sounds like you are almost there, just give up the animal products and you’ll be fine
 
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How about Cartier’s watch strap on their SolarBeat watch. It is made from forty percent of apple peelings, and other non-animal things. Apple phone case made from forty percent apples.
 
nathansz said:
Even if that is correct, it does not mean that you NEED animal products.

indeed, raising animals for rape and slaughter on an industrial scale is cruel and unnecessary

And it is an ecological nightmare, which is the question you have not answered yet
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Well, I will say that it is correct. But, again, I’m not here to demand you or anyone agree with me. But the actual studies of nutrition and human health are published and available to read worldwide.

As to the current animal husbandry industry, I do agree that as it now exists, it is cruel, inhumane, and polluting. It should be reformed, and pollution controls enacted.

Ad to answering the question of our ecological nightmare…no one has that answer. Just by existing, humanity has destroyed, what 50% of all species on the planet? The few that survive, survive solely because we want them in some capacity. Whether as pets, workers, science subjects, or as food. There is no world in which humanity does not create ecological disaster, there are simply too many of us, and we (overall) have complete disregard for our environment, or even the future health of our own species.
Personally, I believe the problem will take care of itself. Just not in the way you might hope.
 
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FriendlyMackle said:
Well, I will say that it is correct. But, again, I’m not here to demand you or anyone agree with me. But the actual studies of nutrition and human health are published and available to read worldwide.

As to the current animal husbandry industry, I do agree that as it now exists, it is cruel, inhumane, and polluting. It should be reformed, and pollution controls enacted.

Ad to answering the question of our ecological nightmare…no one has that answer. Just by existing, humanity has destroyed, what 50% of all species on the planet? The few that survive, survive solely because we want them in some capacity. Whether as pets, workers, science subjects, or as food. There is no world in which humanity does not create ecological disaster, there are simply too many of us, and we (overall) have complete disregard for our environment, or even the future health of our own species.
Personally, I believe the problem will take care of itself. Just not in the way you might hope.
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That’s the sort of hands in the air ‘not my problem’ approach that will ensure the outcome you seem to be assuming

The fact is that as rational agents we can actually make choices to improve our chances. Ceasing to raise animals for rape and slaughter on an industrial scale is an easily attainable goal that we could decide to do as a species for the betterment of our own and every other species’ future

You just need to get the idea out of your head that you NEED to consume the products of torture to be “healthy”
 
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msackey said:
Actually, milk has long referred to not only what comes out of animals. Plant milk has long been denoted as also milk.

See for example: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/hist...-almost-every-culture-across-globe-180970008/



Don’t let an ahistorical viewpoint dictate understanding :)

I could be wrong but I think Scandinavian countries long had oat milk as part of their food culture long before it became popular in the US.
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You are of course correct and I didn't think about that. Still makes it far more accurate than the phrase "vegan leather."
 
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FriendlyMackle said:
There are decades of medical studies on the bioavailability and uptake of animal-derived proteins in the human diet vs vegetable-derived sources. The data does show that animal proteins are superior to vegetable or legume-based proteins in terms of usability by the human body.
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Which is not the same thing as saying the human body "Needs" animal proteins, of course.
 
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Cunir said:
I'm hoping one day apple will sell a case with a front cover on it. I don't see the point of protecting the back of your phone and not the front
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They did, and it tanked:
iPhone 12 Pro Max Leather Sleeve with MagSafe - Saddle Brown

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Matthew.H said:
Could be because that's not a case. It's a sleeve which is impractical for most people.
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Okay, fair…but what would be a “case with a front cover” design that is considerably more practical? Are you thinking about two separate pieces? A folio? Maybe I just haven’t seen these types of cases.
 
The back’s the same, but it just has a flat flap that folds over the front, like a book cover, and stays in a place with magnets. There are bazillions of them for sale. Its strange that apple doesn't offer one for the iphone, as they do those ‘smart folio’ ones for the ipad
 
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