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MyMac1976

macrumors 6502a
Apr 14, 2013
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1
I like my one mini just the same as I like my iPhone...meh

I'd prefer the Apple Computer Company back if I had my druthers.
 

eastamherstbias

macrumors 6502
Original poster
Mar 18, 2012
394
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Again NFC is a chip set. Not a feature, the programming is the feature. If the GS4 did not have NFC it would still have the same features.

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Logitech app/system a much better solution than IR. If you have a home theater your equipment is likely in another room so IR is a no go. The peel system is another great iOS remote solution

Yep it is a chip that the program uses. A FEATURE!

Eh, I get it. There is always a hack/3rd party item that can fix something. All of my items are jailbroken.
 

snberk103

macrumors 603
Oct 22, 2007
5,503
91
An Island in the Salish Sea
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I do not have a single Samsung product but Samsung at least tries a bunch of things and sees what sticks....

I think you've just answered your own question. Throwing ideas at the wall to see what sticks doesn't necessarily mean that good ideas are created. If Samsung's innovations were actually worthwhile you'd probably have invested in a product or two.

Tangental to this discussion ... there was real innovation announced this week.... Intel's computer on an SD card - Edison. That has some very interesting possibilities.
 

eastamherstbias

macrumors 6502
Original poster
Mar 18, 2012
394
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I think you've just answered your own question. Throwing ideas at the wall to see what sticks doesn't necessarily mean that good ideas are created. If Samsung's innovations were actually worthwhile you'd probably have invested in a product or two.

Tangental to this discussion ... there was real innovation announced this week.... Intel's computer on an SD card - Edison. That has some very interesting possibilities.

Ha it is actually more complex than that. At this point I am heavily invested and have built a pretty functional system of Apple products. I am sure there are more than a few people who are in a similar place.
 

janitor1999

macrumors regular
Sep 9, 2008
103
0
Its a matter of opinion, i havent seen an iphone that has had the same wow factor that the first one had, but on the other side the samsung galaxy has a load of Samsung bloatware on it.and i have ios7 on my iphone 5, but am still waiting for KitKat on my S4, so its swings and roundabouts, but i do think android is catching up fast.
 

aajeevlin

macrumors 65816
Mar 25, 2010
1,427
715
Why would Google bought Boston Dynamics?

I got no problem with that, but we are talking about Samsung and Android here. I think Google bought Boston dynamics for other purposes, probably would like their expertise to help with Google car.
 

osofast240sx

macrumors 68030
Mar 25, 2011
2,545
22
Yep it is a chip that the program uses. A FEATURE!

Eh, I get it. There is always a hack/3rd party item that can fix something. All of my items are jailbroken.
Not a feature! A chip set that is useless and a waste of space. My point NFC is not need for the features.
 

cynics

macrumors G4
Jan 8, 2012
11,959
2,156
What progression are u talking about. Do u care to elaborate?


A better/faster processor.

64 bit computing isn't anything new. In a smartphone yes but it's no different then the progression to a dual core or quad core. And actually in real world use using current apps and mobile OS's increasing cores has had a more noticeable impact on usage.

In the future 64 bit is going to be a big deal and a must have. But in a couple months both nVidia (Tegra) and Qualcomm will be releasing their 64 bit mobile cpu's which we will see in devices running Android.

That's what I mean by progression vs innovation. It's just nothing to get excited about and what has and will continue to happen.

To me it's just another "spec" to compare on a chart of phone a vs phone b.
 

osofast240sx

macrumors 68030
Mar 25, 2011
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A better/faster processor.

64 bit computing isn't anything new. In a smartphone yes but it's no different then the progression to a dual core or quad core. And actually in real world use using current apps and mobile OS's increasing cores has had a more noticeable impact on usage.

In the future 64 bit is going to be a big deal and a must have. But in a couple months both nVidia (Tegra) and Qualcomm will be releasing their 64 bit mobile cpu's which we will see in devices running Android.

That's what I mean by progression vs innovation. It's just nothing to get excited about and what has and will continue to happen.

To me it's just another "spec" to compare on a chart of phone a vs phone b.
Android cannot run 64 bit. At least in its current state.
 

dvoros

macrumors 6502
Sep 1, 2010
421
18
Wasted Time

I absolutely agree with you. Apple has indeed slowed to a snails pace. Its reported in major news agencies across the globe so we are not the only ones noticing this. Apple needs to get off this once a year schedule and release products as soon as they roll off the assembly line. The Sept/Oct. time frame is a thing of the past.:(
 

osofast240sx

macrumors 68030
Mar 25, 2011
2,545
22
I absolutely agree with you. Apple has indeed slowed to a snails pace. Its reported in major news agencies across the globe so we are not the only ones noticing this. Apple needs to get off this once a year schedule and release products as soon as they roll off the assembly line. The Sept/Oct. time frame is a thing of the past.:(

What smartphone manufacture releases their flagship phone twice a year. They are all on a yearly cycle.
 

cynics

macrumors G4
Jan 8, 2012
11,959
2,156
Android cannot run 64 bit. At least in its current state.


Depending on how it utilized it can and will, at least that's the rumor with the S5. Plus Qualcomm and nVidia aren't dumping major $$ into something that can't be sold to anyone.

Regardless that's beside my point. My point is it's a spec bump that currently has little to no real world use. I'm on my 4S right now in tapatalk and a 64 bit processor won't make my experience any better. I personally don't find innovation in uselessness. To me a 64 bit processor is just something that needs to be done to stay with the times.
 

osofast240sx

macrumors 68030
Mar 25, 2011
2,545
22
Depending on how it utilized it can and will, at least that's the rumor with the S5. Plus Qualcomm and nVidia aren't dumping major $$ into something that can't be sold to anyone.

Regardless that's beside my point. My point is it's a spec bump that currently has little to no real world use. I'm on my 4S right now in tapatalk and a 64 bit processor won't make my experience any better. I personally don't find innovation in uselessness. To me a 64 bit processor is just something that needs to be done to stay with the times.
I'm 100000000% sure this 64bit chip will
Be operating in 32 bit mode for the next 2 years
 

cynics

macrumors G4
Jan 8, 2012
11,959
2,156
I'm 100000000% sure this 64bit chip will

Be operating in 32 bit mode for the next 2 years


Again beside the point I'm making. We keep going back here. :)

Aren't Apple sources saying it won't be till 2015-2016 when Apple plans on using 4gb of RAM to really utilize 64 bit?
 

osofast240sx

macrumors 68030
Mar 25, 2011
2,545
22
Again beside the point I'm making. We keep going back here. :)

Aren't Apple sources saying it won't be till 2015-2016 when Apple plans on using 4gb of RAM to really utilize 64 bit?
That's under the assumption that 64bit only advantage is using 4gb + ram. I hope we all know that there is a long list of advantages to having 64bit and the 4gb ram is just one item on the list.
 

cynics

macrumors G4
Jan 8, 2012
11,959
2,156
That's under the assumption that 64bit only advantage is using 4gb + ram. I hope we all know that there is a long list of advantages to having 64bit and the 4gb ram is just one item on the list.


Yeah yeah. We can tell, Facebook check ins are so much better on 64 bit.

Anyway, point was that was another spec, nothing earth shattering, every manufacturer will be doing it out of necessity just as personal computer have. That's why I said it was as innovative as cores. We all knew Apple was going dual core over a year prior then doing so.

Obviously the OP doesn't see it as more then the natural progression of technology not innovation.
 

MyMac1976

macrumors 6502a
Apr 14, 2013
511
1
I absolutely agree with you. Apple has indeed slowed to a snails pace. Its reported in major news agencies across the globe so we are not the only ones noticing this. Apple needs to get off this once a year schedule and release products as soon as they roll off the assembly line. The Sept/Oct. time frame is a thing of the past.:(

No hey don't Apple needs to fast continue on with what they're doing
 

snberk103

macrumors 603
Oct 22, 2007
5,503
91
An Island in the Salish Sea
Ha it is actually more complex than that. At this point I am heavily invested and have built a pretty functional system of Apple products. I am sure there are more than a few people who are in a similar place.

I could argue that the 'innovation' is how well your 'system' interconnects and works well together. As an analogy - Instead of innovating new bricks Apple is creating a new mortar... a way to stick the bricks together.
 

Max(IT)

Suspended
Dec 8, 2009
8,551
1,662
Italy
Again beside the point I'm making. We keep going back here. :)

Aren't Apple sources saying it won't be till 2015-2016 when Apple plans on using 4gb of RAM to really utilize 64 bit?

Is it so difficult to understand that 64 bit advantage IS NOT ONLY IN ADDRESSING MORE RAM ??? Ooh please stop speaking about things you don't really understand ....

Apple A7 uses a new instruction set, ARMv8, with new registers and much more efficient than ARMv7.
It's not only about memory .... for the millionth time :(
 

rainbowmagik

macrumors newbie
Jan 5, 2014
20
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Comparing iphone 4 to 5 there is a difference. They upgraded to arm 64 bit and upgraded the ram to 1GB. but that doesn't compare well with lets say a HTC One max with 2GB of ram and a snapdragon cpu which supports ddr3 over the iphone 5 ddr2, although the 5S has ddr3. But that doesn't necessarily mean that its UX will be better, and for that iPhone may still come out on top. But if you want to play 3d games or run emulators then that particular HTC would probably be a better choice. Also everyone I know using an iPhone 4 or 5 seem perfectly happy with their phone. I think the yearly cycle is better because it allows developers to target hardware more easily and fine tune for devices which must lead to better applications, at least potentially.
 
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cynics

macrumors G4
Jan 8, 2012
11,959
2,156
Apple Money and Wasted Time

Is it so difficult to understand that 64 bit advantage IS NOT ONLY IN ADDRESSING MORE RAM ??? Ooh please stop speaking about things you don't really understand ....



Apple A7 uses a new instruction set, ARMv8, with new registers and much more efficient than ARMv7.

It's not only about memory .... for the millionth time :(


Is this post real or sarcasm? I ask a question to someone else which is totally taken out of the context of what my point was (read my other post). And you blow up? Lol. Act like an adult an answer a question or better yet ignore a post that isn't quoting you. :)
 
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