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I wish people would stop focusing on the external design only. Not taking issue with most of your post only that point. My upgrade from the 6 to the 7 plus was massive - the 8 has big internal changes too. Honestly most of the Samsung phones look the same to me as well.

Truth be told I agree W/ almost everything this guy said. Apple needs to get it together. I'm
still using an iPhone 5. Between 6,7,8 you will not see difference. No one buys a car 5 years later because they changed the muffler or air filter, but kept the same body style! This is ridiculous of apple very disappointed, I passed on 6 for 7 same design. I passed on 7, waiting for 8 / X same design. Guess I'll be getting a 7s on Craig's list, for like couple of hundred bucks or so.
 
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Truth be told I agree W/ almost everything this guy said. Apple needs to get it together. I'm
still using an iPhone 5. Between 6,7,8 you will not see difference. No one buys a car 5 years later because they changed the muffler or air filter, but kept the same body style! This is ridiculous of apple very disappointed, I passed on 6 for 7 same design. I passed on 7, waiting for 8 / X same design. Guess I'll be getting a 7s on Craig's list, for like couple of hundred bucks or so.
 

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Truth be told I agree W/ almost everything this guy said. Apple needs to get it together. I'm
still using an iPhone 5. Between 6,7,8 you will not see difference. No one buys a car 5 years later because they changed the muffler or air filter, but kept the same body style! This is ridiculous of apple very disappointed, I passed on 6 for 7 same design. I passed on 7, waiting for 8 / X same design. Guess I'll be getting a 7s on Craig's list, for like couple of hundred bucks or so.
Well I find this assessment ridiculous. I went from a 6 to a 7 plus and if you think a vastly more powerful processor, 3 GB of RAM and the far better camera are nothing more than a "new air filter or muffler" than convincing you is hopeless. o_O
 

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Hi Decafjava...

You have missed the point, the point yes, the camera and such has improved, blah blah fish paste... The fact is, that is totally pointless if the data per photo is increased and you don't accommodate this... The car is limited by the rate the exhaust can be cleared, no matter how much horsepower...

Apple did not apply any logic to the new generation ifones, by not having a form of on board extension for storage, the phone is useless...yay I can take better photos. I can take fewer photos, but they are better...how is that better????
 

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Hi Decafjava...

You have missed the point, the point yes, the camera and such has improved, blah blah fish paste... The fact is, that is totally pointless if the data per photo is increased and you don't accommodate this... The car is limited by the rate the exhaust can be cleared, no matter how much horsepower...

Apple did not apply any logic to the new generation ifones, by not having a form of on board extension for storage, the phone is useless...yay I can take better photos. I can take fewer photos, but they are better...how is that better????
No you mised the point. They never had on board extension - though the storage has increased a lot.
 

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I know that...that is called an epic fail on the part of Apple..a $20 phone from 1996 had on board extension memory, yet a $1000 turd from apple does not...that is the point, yay great having a better camera/optical system that is totally useless when you have a very limited storage option..sure use the cloud..hahahahahaha...as of that is a good solution...

The point is Apple should have innovated a new way of on board storage extension along the lines of a new format...Apple used to be good at innovation..that is stealing ideas from others and making it better...days of that long gone...miss that company..

I have not missed the point..the point is, the 1st ifone and the 10th iteration are the very same useless device...On board extension storage is the point, and no you have not answered my question...How is not having a seperate on board storage extension good.???

Better quality photo's/video and less effective storage...Really is that the best apple can do?? if you improve the camera you have to improve the storage capacity...and 128GB is so not enough...like the dog turd portables, you are buggered if you run out of battery, my previous mac laptop had user swappable RAM and and and battery..joy.. now after 30 days the battery in a brand new 2017 laptop lasts about 45 minutes...and you cannot swop out...I cannot see how that is progress...please explain to me how from 2006 to 2017 we have improved the portable devices sold by apple???
 

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Do you really all forget the first iMac from 1998? The one were Steve Jobs threw out virtually all legacy ports in favour of USB? There weren't even dongles back then. You were left with a heap of completely incompatible peripherals if you came from an older Mac.

A little memory is a dangerous thing.

USB was a major step forward from the ADB (Apple proprietary) and RS423 (may as well have been proprietary) ports offered by previous Macs. - and for domestic users who just wanted to connect a Zip drive, scanner or suchlike it was far more practical than SCSI (and was quickly supplemented by Firewire). Many PCs already had USB (although it wasn't used much) and the iMac gave that the kick it needed, and rapidly brought about the end of the bad old days when Macs and PCs needed physically different peripherals.

(Oh, and yes, there were USB-to-X dongles)

Floppies were already pretty much obsolete - 1.4MB was pretty much useless, email had decimated the need to transfer files of that size and CD-R was the nearest thing to a standard replacement. Hard drives were large enough that everybody had all the files they used regularly on HD and you certainly couldn't practically back-up or transfer your hard drive contents to a new machine using floppies. Apple had been phasing floppies out of laptops for a while (they were already an optional extra for the G3 Powerbook). PCs kept floppies for ages because BIOS boot-up was floppy-centric (fun fact: booting a PC from CD - where available - was a kludge involving a floppy disc image on the CD) and you needed them for firmware updates, OS installs etc.

Oh, and the iMac wasn't really designed for existing Mac power users anyway - if you had a stack of peripherals you could get a G3 tower with PCI slots and stick a SCSI controller in it. The iMac was aimed firmly at the new generation of internet users, and if it replaced anything it was the Mac Classic that had been discontinued 5 years prior. Also, things were developing far more rapidly back in the 90s and if you had a 3-year old hard drive you could probably get a new one with twice the capacity for half the price.

Then we get to 2012 and the demise of the optical drive. Well, that's simple: the optical drive took up 20% of the space in a laptop, and those slimline drives (whether they were in a Mac or a PC) were horribly unreliable. Good riddance. There was still a place for an optical drive in 2012 - and for most people that was at the bottom of a drawer against the once in a blue moon time they needed it. Plus, if you disagreed with that its worth remembering that, at the same time as the rMBP launch, Apple updated the classic MBPs (which had already been updated the previous year) to the same processor as the rMBP, kept the classic 15" around for a year and the 13" around until fairly recently.

So how does that compare to USB-C? Well, it doesn't. The USB-C connector may be a nice replacement for the horrible MicroUSB connectors (esp. the USB 3 version) that were already getting used as multi-protocol connectors on phones and tablets that only have space for one or two ports. But, bizarrely, that's the one place that Apple haven't used USB-C. On a laptop/desktop it's pretty pointless.

All USB-C does is bundle together several existing technologies that worked perfectly well on dedicated cables: charging, USB 2/3.1 (and yes, folks, you can do 10Gbps 3.1gen2 on a USB-A connector - several PC motherboards do) and DisplayPort. The only advantage of doing that is to save space - otherwise, its a darned nuisance that just means you have to buy multiport adapters. Thunderbolt 3 could either have been implemented over TB2/mDP connectors or (better) a new connector that recognised that, if you're connecting 6 massive RAID arrays via a single connector then it better jolly well have some sort of locking device. The reason that Intel uses USB-C is that they're trying to force TB3 adoption by making their TB3 chipset the go-to USB-C/3.1 controller as well (and thereby have helpfully knobbled the adoption of DisplayPort 1.3/1.4 because they only support 1.2a).

It hasn't even produced a standard cable: instead we have a confusing array of cables which might physically fit but either won't work or will throttle performance - charge/USB2-only cables, full-featured USB 3.1 cables in at least two power-delivery flavours, Thunderbolt 3 passive cables (with USB3.1, and two power options), Thunderbolt 3 active cables (no USB3.1), fake cables that fry your computer, USB-C to DP cables that may or may not work with your Mac - oh, and coming down the pike, when HDMI alt mode takes off, we'll have old HDMI cables that convert from DP and new HDMI cables that use HDMI alt mode...

As for USB-C single-cable docking - that might have been a good idea in the days of 2k displays but USB-C (especially when limited to DP1.2 by current controllers) simply can't run 4k@60Hz while also supporting USB3.1 speeds. TB3 docks do better, but you're still burning 25-50% of your I/O bandwidth by forcing your display output over the same cable as your PCIe, just to avoid plugging in a second cable.

Except, maybe, for the 12" rMB, which is specifically designed for those who value ultra-portability over all else, USB-C just doesn't solve problems that laptop/desktop users have beyond the horrible indignity of having to plug in an extra cable when you "dock" (if you buy a dock). Meanwhile, I have bought several USB-A peripherals (for which there were no USB-C equivalents) in the last 12 months, whereas most USB-C peripherals that are available not only work perfectly well via USB-A but come with a USB-C to USB-A cable in the box.

...add to that the inconvenient truth that development is slowing down so that people's 3-year-old peripherals are no longer obsolete museum pieces. I mentioned that I'd bought USB-A stuff this year - frankly, some of those things don't even need USB 3. Of course, that's part of the game - trying to get people to replace perfectly good stuff.

At least the iMac kept the USB-A ports and just changed the TB2 to TB3 - which would have been the sensible thing to do with the MacBook Pro (while, maybe, creating an ultra-slim 14" rMB to complement the Pro range).

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As for phones - the problem is not the iPhone X/iPhone 8 per se but the fact that Apple are putting all of their money on the small subset of deep-pocketed customers who want to run 3D games or AR, fancy themselves as pro photographers/filmmakers or want a music studio in their pocket. They've completely neglected their "entry level" offerings, instead relying on old models at not-very-discounted prices... and Apple's "entry level" has never exactly been cheap.

When the iPhone came out, it re-defined the smartphone and delivered something completely different, and superior to, the competition. It was worth every penny of the premium. Now, Apple have a highly credible competitor in Android (with far bigger market share), all they are offering is incremental improvements and price hikes (oh, yes, and late delivery).

My old phone was faulty, nothing in the current high-end (Apple or Android) offered anything exciting enough to pry open my wallet, so I've just bought a £200 Huawei... So is it as good as an iPhone 8+ for a quarter of the price? No, don't be daft, of course not. However, it looks and feels the part, has a half-decent 5.2" screen, a fingerprint sensor, it makes calls, sends messages, fetches my email, browses the web, does maps and GPS, will play casual games, takes OK snapshots and accepts a cheap SD card for extra storage. If it gets lost, stolen, broken or packs up after a year because its junk then, hey, £200 vs. the thick end of £1000.

So do I expect a £200 phone from Apple? Again, don't be daft. But lets look at what my Apple alternative is: I want a 5"+ screen, and need more than 32GB storage - so the cheapest Apple has to offer me is a 128GB 6s+ at £700 for a 2-year old design that failed to loosen my wallet when it was brand new.

I've been buying Apple stuff for years, and they have always been expensive, but that is just ridiculous. Offer me a £500 iPhone that has been updated this year and I'd consider paying the premium for Apple quality and UX, but this is getting ridiculous (Samsung and Google aren't much better - I think those three are looking at each other too much instead of the big picture).

Apple need to start designing some entry-level products that include at least some of this year's sexy features instead of keeping last year's products at last year's price. They're heading out onto a limb in which their only "growth" comes from diehard followers who will pay ever-increasing premiums to stay with the brand or avoid switching ecosystems. Its hard to see how their current range will attract new customers. At best, the pool will gradually shrink - at worst, a change in fashion (especially for phones) could wipe it out. Their main salvation has been that their competitors (Samsung, Google, Microsoft, Apple) are playing the same game. That's always what happens in a bubble... as long as the results keep going up (even if its because they're selling fewer products at higher prices) nobody will dare look beyond the next quarter...
 
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I agree that over the last 20+ years there has been a radical change in how we interconnect 2 or more devices, firewire was an elegant solution, and it served a function, and was never fully implemented, and now we have so many new things, it is hard to comprehend, what is what..lightning/thunderbolt/USB...ports that are many things to many devices, power and data...

The real issue is that apple has totally lost sight of the users, who needs what, the macbook air and the macbook pro are the same thing, basically, the pro has very few features that could be classed as pro..

My first mac, the ndvidia nightmare, had 2 firewire ports, 3/4 expansion port, USB, it was professional in that I could change RAM and batteries, fans, and anything else I could solder..It was actually not that hard, and I have no experience and this thing worked..

The macbook pro should have swop out RAM, batteries, more ports, different ones, but not the abuse of solder and glue apple loves to use...my late 2013 retina is a hunk of junk, totally at sea when it comes to final cut pro x, it chokes and beachballs...horrid...

The touchbar is a gimmick, not a real professional tool, it hinders more than it helps..underdeveloped, and stupid...others disagree, but for now I cannot see it useful in my profession..I care for portable and reliable, RAM is unstable at the best of times, if a RAM module goes soft, I have to toss this tin junk in the landfill, where before I could just buy new RAM and be on my way..An all day job editing in the field, a couple of spare batteries...

Do I have to buy a ticket for aunt Jenny and her unstable flight risk fluids??? That is so stupid of Apple to ban user replaceable batteries...Not everyone can carry around a Honda in the plane or on a train..you get a couple of hours work, then the battery is dead, and for what??? What a waste of valuable time...

That was the worst mistake, sorry 2nd worst, Tim Cook, sorry he was 3rd, 2nd worst mistake, Jony Ive, then Tim, then the worst, no replaceable batteries...

The data consumed per photo taken or frame of video is more in 2017 than in 2007, yet the ifone has virtually the same storage, again..that was stupid, you pay more for less...Oh..and the introduction of bloatware on the ifone..apps you have never used, will never use, sitting there like a giant turd stain on the living room carpet...

The insanity of itunes, I dont understand itunes, what is it...what does it do..I use my ipad to watch video between shifts, so I use airdrop, to photo's on my ipad...really...this is the best the spaceship can dream up....Even the drunk in the park can do a better job...

Apple has totally lost the plot, the consumer just buys, and buys, and just believes the hype apple dish out at keynotes...
Apple was a great brand, now it is a seller of dog turd..
 
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X Cruz 187

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7s does not exist:)
Ok so 7 should be even cheaper, not wasteing my money!
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Well I find this assessment ridiculous. I went from a 6 to a 7 plus and if you think a vastly more powerful processor, 3 GB of RAM and the far better camera are nothing more than a "new air filter or muffler" than convincing you is hopeless. o_O

I'm just saying I remember when apple came out with the iPhone, Uge innovation, iPad, Uge innovation, the original apple Tv had so much potential. It's just seems like apple is becoming more of a mobile company. When the air came out I thought wow apple can change the world, & they stalled. I just seems odd to me I have a 2014 RMBP & if I want to give my my photos of my kids I have to power up my 2007 MacBook to use the CD drive. I understand processor, RAM, & camera are incremental up grades, but taking pictures of my food to post on instagram is ok with a 5 mp camera. The consumers that apple is marketing to now @ Walmart & Cricket aren't going to see any speed bump in processor speed.
 

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That was the worst mistake, sorry 2nd worst, Tim Cook, sorry he was 3rd, 2nd worst mistake, Jony Ive, then Tim, then the worst, no replaceable batteries...

Hmm - the removable battery thing is tricky. I kinda agree, but then there's a trade-off between maximising battery capacity and removability: building in a battery hatch takes space, spring terminals take space and then the battery has to have a rigid case as well to protect it when removed (or you certainly wouldn't be allowed to take a spare battery on a plane). All that takes up valuable power storage space. The 2010-2015 MacBooks had really good battery life c.f. other notebooks. Plus, laptop power on planes and trains is more common these days.

However, I'm thinking of 2011-style non-removable (as in not "field swappable") batteries, which weren't glued in and could easily be replaced if they wore out - and what they've done with the new MB-not-very-Ps is to actually make the non-removable battery smaller for the sake of cosmetics: at best, that throws away the advantage of the newer CPUs which could have given significantly more battery life if they'd kept the battery capacity. At worst, it reduces battery life because the new power-saving tech stops helping as soon as you stop updating your facebook and start running something heavy duty.

Having had a moan at USB-C I suppose one plus is that it makes external "power banks" possible if you want to extend battery life. However, Apple could have achieved that by licensing MagSafe or using non-captive cables on the charger.
 
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it wouldn't make sense to design a notch, just because they hate it...

Tim obviously likes it,, but if he hated it, why did he go with the notch ?

The non-removable stuff like battery is always gonna base in everyone's mind regardless how much u try and "change the world for the better" Even i have my own tidbits/annoyance about non-removable stuff, but we have to accept it, even if 90% of us get dragged into it.
 

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The point is, Apple should if it cared, design laptops to be both with fixed battery and removable battery, with 1 standard type of port, or many types, and yeah magsafe was a huge benefit, no tripping and smashing laptops..My room-mate bought a brand new windows laptop, and a day later, tripped on the cord, and had to buy a replacement screen that cost about as much as the laptop, so yeah I love the magsafe.

Apple would have made a mint off licence of magsafe to HP and others..Or an adapter version, matters not which, the point is Apple made a financial decision and we are stuck with that, no swop out battery, no magsafe, no swop out RAM, and space is not a problem, a few extra millimeters in the thickness for swop out parts, I am for that 100%

The retina MBP and the Air should not be twins, 1 is a cheap ipad with attached keyboard, and the other a creative tool..The Air for watching video, and the other for editing video, or doing creative audio work, think playlists in rock concerts, some times, there is just no power, and you just use batteries..

Batteries on a plane?? Not sure about that..I am sure powerbanks are OK, maybe not, I don't know...The previous laptops, the base of the battery was the base of the laptop, when it was worn out, a simple purchase resolved that..Now I toss the laptop in the garbage and buy a new one...

Tim Cook is not in the business of making you or I happy, he is employed for the sole purpose to increase payouts for the shareholders of Apple Inc, and no one else..If Apple could make more money selling loo rolls and toothpaste, than selling hardware and software, I am sure Apple would evolve into a Wallymart, selling HP laptops and fakes from China...

I don't see the real difference between the Air and the macbookPro...is there a difference???
 

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The point is, Apple should if it cared, design laptops to be both with fixed battery and removable battery
Apple cares for is phones, yet they do not have removable batteries. While I'm not a fan of sealed batteries, it gives apple the opportunity to make even thinner laptops and that is important to them.

Apple would have made a mint off licence of magsafe to HP and others.
You're making a huge assumption that HP and others would be interested in magsafe. The Surface Book has a quick release power connection, so its possible to develop their own if they (HP and others) really were interested in that. No reason to pay apple for something they could do on their own.

I don't see the real difference between the Air and the macbookPro...is there a difference???
Big difference Retina screens, battery, processing power, and GPU power. Also the new MBPs have USB-C where as the Airs do not.
 

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The point is, basically apart from minor updates in the GPU, they are the same, basically underpowered and overpriced

The macbook pro should have a varied range of ports, post purchase upgrading, post purchase replacement batteries, bigger screens, NOT 13 inches...

I cannot understand how engineers at Apple think the macbook pro is good, it is useless at most tasks, underpowered at 16GB, way too small a hard drive, the GPU chokes on playing of the screensaver...

There not a single feature of apple laptops that makes it a class leader..unless it is the worst for the most money...The audio on the mac laptops is terrible, the ports useless...
 
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They did? I can see that. Each new change will bring a series of complaints before they are accepted.

Oh yea, when Touch ID came out, everyone was worried about it and thought it would never be faster. It feels exactly the same as the current move from Touch ID to Face ID. It'll be too slow, I can do it faster now, there's a million and one scenarios where having to use Touch ID just won't work. You're right, as technology progresses, there will always be people who don't want to adapt. It's the same with no headphone jack.
 

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The problem with trimming low hanging fruit is you will soon need long ladders...

Pulling out long ladders when necessary should be zero issue for a talented company with ample resources and a vision to address valid needs while keeping the customer of primary interest (instead of focusing selfishly inward mostly on designer whims). Around 2013 after Apple had spent years pulling bushels of low-hanging-fruit off the trees, instead of realizing that the vast majority of fruit left was now pretty amazingly healthy and robust and not in need of any radical pruning, they unnecessarily pulled out the taller ladders, ripped out all the green leaves and spray painted the beautiful green & red shiny apples into a dull light grey and white theme.

After all, users no longer need a shiny, attractive & inviting apple and are much better off spending extra time working thru all the unnatural grey covering in order to get to something useful. Instead, many are forced spend an extra $20 each year in the App store buying apples from 3rd party developers that are easier & better to use than the apples that Apple decided to throw at users after ios7.

What else could be expected by someone who gives a white forest when all the customer asked for was a distinctive & attractive Christmas tree for their customers?

http://www.businessinsider.com/phot...ve-and-newson-said-to-design-mag-wallpaper-10
 
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Apple is NOT a talented company, that went a long time ago, what is obvious is that the product designed and sold by Apple is 100% pure profit, with zero real design effort put into it. I am sure there are minions at Apple that work very hard and maybe they read forums and are hurt by what I write..

From the latops to the trashcan and the watches, they are all junk, garbage, Apple are selling junk, and we buy it, the ifones are just the same from gen 1 to generation 10, the screen is better, the camera better, but the cost in data storage makes no sense..better quality photos/video but only you can store less...

Laptops with fewer real features, bad design in terms of non swap out batteries/RAM, and the stupid ports..The dog turd trash can, and now we wait to see the new garbage mac pro...

Why has it taken Apple so long? Surely they have been at it for over a decade? Did they really only have 1 idea and when that tanked, panicked?? Surely logic dictates you have more than 1 idea in design/testing...

Apple does not take into account where or how devices will be used, they make a decision and screw the user..
 

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Apple is NOT a talented company, that went a long time ago, what is obvious is that the product designed and sold by Apple is 100% pure profit, with zero real design effort put into it. I am sure there are minions at Apple that work very hard and maybe they read forums and are hurt by what I write..

From the latops to the trashcan and the watches, they are all junk, garbage, Apple are selling junk, and we buy it, the ifones are just the same from gen 1 to generation 10, the screen is better, the camera better, but the cost in data storage makes no sense..better quality photos/video but only you can store less...

Laptops with fewer real features, bad design in terms of non swap out batteries/RAM, and the stupid ports..The dog turd trash can, and now we wait to see the new garbage mac pro...

Why has it taken Apple so long? Surely they have been at it for over a decade? Did they really only have 1 idea and when that tanked, panicked?? Surely logic dictates you have more than 1 idea in design/testing...

Apple does not take into account where or how devices will be used, they make a decision and screw the user..

Well, I half agree. :) Apple still makes something we like, as those of us like me who complain loudly about their selfish & short-sighted UIx & hardware decisions keep buying what they're offering. But, I personally am buying not because Apple offers such amazingly good technology that renders the competition "invisible" (like used to be the case before 2013), but because Apple is just a little better than the competition, and also I'm kind of walled into their ecosystem since certain other devices & services still merge together enough to keep me walled in.

The fact that Apple went from "the only option to consider" down to "still the best option of the competition" is so huge but seemingly completely lost on today's design & business managers at AAPL.

I would have little problem with Apple if their current devices still used a OS/iOS that was intuitive & "just worked" like before 2012, and I would be buying even more expensive versions of their devices if they (like you said) offered upgradeable/serviceable battery, storage, and processor type of hardware. I agree with you that too much of what they offer nowadays seems focused only on profit/cash-first outlook over customer-first as well as Jony Ive's personal minimalist whims instead of customers-first.

Why is this so obvious to some but not others, especially Tim, Craig, Jony, etc?
 

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Tim Cook is employed to make decisions for his bosses, the shareholders of Apple Inc..Tim makes decisions that will make the most return for the shareholder and no one else..If he did he would be fired...

Jony Ive has never had an original thought since puberty..The fact the air and pro laptop are functionally the same, same basic template was used..

Apple and Intel have no problems with the delays, why should Intel bother to progress?? It is not in Apple interests to progress to a 32GB RAM laptop, Apple have chosen a path that prevents Intel from designing a mobile chip that would work with user swop RAM and so on..Apple feel ,and I don't understand why, that non swop out parts is better...

This is a step backwards from the ndvidia GPU in the silver key macbook pro laptops...That had swop out RAM/battery, and fans, which needed replacing, it was easy to do most things on the logic board, without any training!!

Take the trashcan, the demo it looked great, wow, but when I saw it in the fake news istore here, I thought really, is this better than the cheesgrater?? Impossible to upgrade and the cords, and the shape made it impossible to rack mount, what works on paper not good in reality...That and it being underpowered...

Now we wait for the replacement...it has taken way too long, really Apple does take it's time, why announce it before it is ready??

I am just waiting for the first lawsuits to hit Tim's desk when someone is abused as a result of the insane log in using the face...That was not a good idea...again looks great but in the wild, just wait....NAACP will be calling Apple...

Back in the day, in the work I do, you had 2 "shops" those on macs and those not...Only the big shops used macs and you knew they were good, others used stolen copies of Premiere 5.0 on desktops...It was for me a huge day when I bought Final Cut Studio 2, I thoght now I am something...The BBC uses Final Cut...this must be good...

Now every granny doing knit 1 purl 1 youtube video uses Final Cut...It is no longer a game changer, but just one of many apps...Even Apple hates it...they refuse to update it..months and months we wait for an update....Then nothing...

Apple does not value the operating systems, from early versions of Sierra and Safari Technology Preview, the same bugs, never fixed...Apple just ignore feedback...

Tim Cook is killing Apple, I cannot understand how so many cannot see it...The decision to not innovate a shiny new external on board removable storage device for the ifone X makes no sense....If you are going to have a new log in system, why not go all out and innovate the turd out of it...

The stores are bland, boring, dull as ditchwater places, the denists office is more exciting than going into a brown floored turd room....
 

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I've been tempted for a while to snap up a clean pre-owned 15 inch mac pro from a few years ago and save it for upgrading the battery, memory, GPU, processor, etc. for when my 2014 i7 MBAir w/8GB & 128GB needs upgrading. What's the latest year, or best model# from which to do this, in your opinion?
 
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Tim Cook is employed to make decisions for his bosses, the shareholders of Apple Inc..Tim makes decisions that will make the most return for the shareholder and no one else..If he did he would be fired...

Jony Ive has never had an original thought since puberty..The fact the air and pro laptop are functionally the same, same basic template was used..

Apple and Intel have no problems with the delays, why should Intel bother to progress?? It is not in Apple interests to progress to a 32GB RAM laptop, Apple have chosen a path that prevents Intel from designing a mobile chip that would work with user swop RAM and so on..Apple feel ,and I don't understand why, that non swop out parts is better...

This is a step backwards from the ndvidia GPU in the silver key macbook pro laptops...That had swop out RAM/battery, and fans, which needed replacing, it was easy to do most things on the logic board, without any training!!

Take the trashcan, the demo it looked great, wow, but when I saw it in the fake news istore here, I thought really, is this better than the cheesgrater?? Impossible to upgrade and the cords, and the shape made it impossible to rack mount, what works on paper not good in reality...That and it being underpowered...

Now we wait for the replacement...it has taken way too long, really Apple does take it's time, why announce it before it is ready??

I am just waiting for the first lawsuits to hit Tim's desk when someone is abused as a result of the insane log in using the face...That was not a good idea...again looks great but in the wild, just wait....NAACP will be calling Apple...

Back in the day, in the work I do, you had 2 "shops" those on macs and those not...Only the big shops used macs and you knew they were good, others used stolen copies of Premiere 5.0 on desktops...It was for me a huge day when I bought Final Cut Studio 2, I thoght now I am something...The BBC uses Final Cut...this must be good...

Now every granny doing knit 1 purl 1 youtube video uses Final Cut...It is no longer a game changer, but just one of many apps...Even Apple hates it...they refuse to update it..months and months we wait for an update....Then nothing...

Apple does not value the operating systems, from early versions of Sierra and Safari Technology Preview, the same bugs, never fixed...Apple just ignore feedback...

Tim Cook is killing Apple, I cannot understand how so many cannot see it...The decision to not innovate a shiny new external on board removable storage device for the ifone X makes no sense....If you are going to have a new log in system, why not go all out and innovate the turd out of it...

The stores are bland, boring, dull as ditchwater places, the denists office is more exciting than going into a brown floored turd room....

Take your meds dude. This is black hole density crap.
 
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