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As customers we need to escape this idea that there needs to be meaningful innovations on an annual basis.

That's true, but when there aren't meaningful innovations in about 5 years I think it's ok to press for some.
 
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I own a regular 13, but I'm genuinely excited for the 16 upgrade!
The only thing that'd make me get the pro would be the improved ultra wide camera.
I love shooting pictures and videos on that lens, but the quality is so much worse than the regular camera.
 
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The guy that decided to put the 'powerbutton' on the right side instead on top should be fired (and more). Most annoying button placement ever!! how many times have you tried to take a picture and you close your phone? ffs
Yeah I kinda agree. But then I also legit feel that iPhone design peaked with the 4 and all Apple should’ve done is pack more functionality in that design.

I have my old 4S in a drawer and sometimes I take it out and just hold it. And then I get sad because that was a truly beautiful object. It was bold and distinctive and precise.

But what good does it do to obsess about the past.
 
> After the cancelation of the Bongo project, Apple moved back to mechanical buttons for the ‌‌iPhone 16‌‌.

Wasn't that for the "iPhone 15"?
 
That's true, but when there aren't meaningful innovations in about 5 years I think it's ok to press for some.
It could be argued that the iPhone 12 was the last big iPhone update so it wouldn't be until iPhone 17 we get anything 'fresh'.

USB-C last year was hardly an innovation but Apple did run with it and add some good features such as full-screen video-out and connections to all sorts of accessories. This is a lot more than most Android phones get. Google don't even have video out on their top Pixel phones.
 
Sounds good to me. Loving all the breathless comments about cases, with Apple being blindsided not having a solution.
 
Not sure what is the point of haptic buttons, that emulate real buttons, when you can just use real buttons. Thinking of the haptic home button, it was so much less likely to work than the real button on the iPhone 6 and earlier.

So more expensive and less likely to work. What’s the upside?
 
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I will say that apples track record with capacitive buttons has been stellar. Their trackpads, and solid-state home-buttons, have been insanely well-engineered.

Just because of that I am hesitant to criticize before we all see exactly how new ones are implemented.

Though I’m not sure I love the idea of a new button in the place that the fattest part of my hand holds the phone, as a right-handed individual. If it’s flush and super good at detecting/rejecting accidental touches I think it could be good.

But I swear to god if I get even one incorrect input reaction from that button when I’m trying to do something else, I will be very annoyed and question the fundamental idea.

Apples track pads are very good.

They just don’t really make a sense on the iPhone, though, which you carry outside with you. The iPhone haptic home button, frequently doesn’t work for me. Whenever I’m wearing gloves, my fingers are too cold, etc. it’s completely useless and doesn’t work at all.

I don’t care how well engineered it is, if it doesn’t work in real world conditions.
 
Not sure what is the point of haptic buttons, that emulate real buttons, when you can just use real buttons. Thinking of the haptic home button, it was so much less likely to work than the real button on the iPhone 6 and earlier.

So more expensive and less likely to work. What’s the upside?
Real buttons fail mechanically and can be damaged easily. Capacitive buttons can be anything metallic, including a chunk of metal unlikely to be damaged or worn down. Still, I don't see how this would work with either gloves/mittens or cases (and I use both).
 
This reminds me of the automakers that have replaced tried and true door handles with super fancy mechanisms of entry. Seems unnecessary, expensive and will be a pain in the ass to fix.
 
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Apples track pads are very good.

They just don’t really make a sense on the iPhone, though, which you carry outside with you. The iPhone haptic home button, frequently doesn’t work for me. Whenever I’m wearing gloves, my fingers are too cold, etc. it’s completely useless and doesn’t work at all.

I don’t care how well engineered it is, if it doesn’t work in real world conditions.
That’s a great point that I didn’t really consider. Been using FaceID for so many years now it’s something I forgot was a problem.

But yeah that is a legit issue. I remember back in the day during winter or when my hands were wet it sucked trying to unlock my phone with my finger.

Facial recognition is overall way better, barring the dark years of COVID.

Why add another button? How many buttons must we have? Jony Ive is obviously no longer in any way involved with iPhone design, because adding more buttons to the iPhone is absolutely not what he would want to do I bet.

I dunno. I’m ready for Cook to hand over the reigns. If his big idea for the future is an isolation chamber strapped to your face that costs as much as a used car and adding buttons to the iPhone, I’m not impressed.

It seems to me that in the past Apple was more design-driven. That was more exciting.
 
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One more step closer to my portless, buttonless all-screen iPhone of my dreams! (I hope.)
Reminds me of this old Garfield strip:

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I'm all for this if it means all of the buttons will have customizable secondary "deeper presses" that can do something else.
 
I wonder if the iPhone is going through the Touch Bar era of the Mac when Apple was trying to differentiate the Mac through gimmicks. Of course, the true innovation for Macs didn't arrive until Apple Silicon.

Make everything touch. Remove all physical buttons. Reduce tactile feel.
Apple needs to be careful that in the pursuit of improving the iPhone experience, they don’t end up doing the opposite.
 
Apple needs to be careful that in the pursuit of improving the iPhone experience, they don’t end up doing the opposite.
Agreed. I think they’d be fine with a Snow Leopard type update to the iPhone. No new features, just optimization. Longer battery. Louder speakers. I don’t know, just little quality of life improvements that could add up to a great user experience.

The iPhone is established. It’s a great product. Maybe just focus one year on the little things. Maybe optimize the software more.

The iPhone is legit great, and I really feel like it could use a little TLC year.
 
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The guy that decided to put the 'powerbutton' on the right side instead on top should be fired (and more). Most annoying button placement ever!! how many times have you tried to take a picture and you close your phone? ffs
I totally agree. The camera button is in the wrong side. I can never take a photo with that button , I have to resort to the one within the camera. Don't know why this weird set up hasn't changed
 
The guy that decided to put the 'powerbutton' on the right side instead on top should be fired (and more). Most annoying button placement ever!! how many times have you tried to take a picture and you close your phone? ffs
Exactly! And, what was so great about the button for ring/vibe is that there was ZERO latency and ZERO failure. With the new ring/vibe button the failure rate is at least 50% and the latency is ridiculous. It takes a few frustrating seconds a few times a day to deal with that faulty button.

Further proof that there are no UX persons, teams, units, departments, working for or with Apple in any meaningful way.
 
I wonder if the iPhone is going through the Touch Bar era of the Mac when Apple was trying to differentiate the Mac through gimmicks. Of course, the true innovation for Macs didn't arrive until Apple Silicon.

Make everything touch. Remove all physical buttons. Reduce tactile feel.

The Tapic feedback replaces the feel of a button press. Works brilliantly already on trackpads. So no significant reduction in tactile feel.
 
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