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Apple Pay Launching at Chick-fil-A on August 19
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Does that work like that if it was done on the basis of their race for example?
I'm gay and I've eaten there before while traveling and I'd do it again. I might not agree with their stance on marriage equality, but they are a privately held company so if they want to speak out that's their choice. It's the law of the land anyhow now and as far as I know they happily serve anyone who walks through the door.
Also did they not help feed Orlando volunteers on a Sunday after the terrible shooting? If the owner really hated gays I doubt he would have donated food to the cause.
I agree with you. In a previous post, I believe I actually mirrored some of what you said. Everybody has the right to say how they feel. Just because one group disagrees with another doesn't mean that one group hates the other, or that someone is intolerant, etc. They are just stating how they feel. What's so wrong with that? It makes me sad that many, many people tend to interpret opposing views as hate. Why?
Like for example, mine and your views on marriage differ. But does that mean that I hate you, DakotaGuy? Or does that mean that you hate me? Absolutely not. We disagree. Big deal. Heck man, I'd love to buy you some Chickfila (any any lunch for that matter) for filling me in on the beauty of South Dakota the the other day!
Instead, most people in this country live with blinders on. So sad.
Yet that's not entirely the case as the family donates massive amounts to causes that actively seek to take away your rights with the money you spend at their establishments. You may as well bypass the Cathy's and give your money directly to these organizations such as "The Family Research Council" and the Cathy's own organization, "The WinShape Foundation" (see below). It's tantamount to "Blacks for David Duke" or "Jews for the Third Reich".You have to realize your actively participating in your own demise. North Carolina and many other States have fought and won to overturn laws that the current administration set regarding marriage rights, discrimination based on sexual orientation, etc.
For the record, and I truly hope you read this as the few so many have encountered that make statements such as yours aren't fully informed and I'm not trying to push an agenda but rather [hopefully] inform the few who don't realize they're only hurting themselves and others.
Millions of Dollars Spent on anti-LGBT Organizations and Causes
Dan Cathy statements
The company lost massive amounts financially and began a 180 in order to bring back customers who were unaware of their strong viewpoints that actively impacted their rights as they view homosexuality as a "disease" for deviants. They view you as less than human.
They don't give us the sandwich. Which is the reason I go there. Or at Starbucks for my coffee. Or Apple for my devices.
Don't put the ethical weight of someone else's decision on the customer.
No, that's bullocks. Where you spend your money is extremely important as corporations fund millions of dollars to organizations that impact social policy and laws (see above for facts regarding the Cathy's donations, their own established organizations, and their statements on the LGBT community). This is especially important since the Supreme Court's 2010 interpretation re: "Citizens United vs the FEC" that recognizes corporations as private citizens, thus eliminating campaign finance reform and pushing corporate agenda's further into law via unregulated lobbyists and oversight.
If this weren't an LGBT issue many of your opinions would differ greatly, especially given the bigoted comments by some on this thread, so I don't expect you or anyone such as yourself to admit to this fact. However, for those who may not know, it's important to understand that your support of these companies is detrimental to many who are denied the same rights such as the right to marry or receive the same tax benefits as heterosexual couples due to the direct involvement in funding these anti-equal rights causes. Period.
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I spent more money at Apple than at CFA, although the former is against what I believe. I guess that I am bipolar.
Oh there's a meme; you win the argument there.
Do you believe he should have the right to marry as you do? That he and his partner should benefit from the same tax laws as heterosexual partners? It's one thing to disagree, which this is not about, this is about actively funding organizations that seek to take away the rights of fellow American's based on bigotry, not a difference of opinion.
Sigh. Adding light hearted humor to a seemingly tense discussion is interpreted sarcastically, but you're ok with "gay people" and don't have anything against their right to marry and receive the benefits you receive with a heterosexual partner. Right? If so, then you shouldn't be giving your money to a company that spends it to take away a fellow American's rights. Apple isn't taking anyone's rights away, they are helping to ensure they have the same rights as everyone else regardless of others' beliefs. It's one thing to believe in something and to disagree, it's another to directly or indirectly participate in taking those rights away by voting with your dollars.
Nothing wrong with gay people, I don't support gay marriage. The law allows for gay marriage, I abide by the law but I keep my opinion until something convinces me to change my opinion.
Still, I feel no ethical duty when I buy a product. You still buy gas for you car right?
Right, those aren't opposing, "bipolar" [sic] differences of "beliefs", essentially another "PC" way of stating your bigotry.
Hey, I don't agree with heterosexual marriage but I have nothing wrong with straight people. Although I'll spend my money with corporations that donate millions to take away your rights to see your spouse if they're in the hospital because you're not really "married", and to ensure you don't receive the same benefits should your spouse pass away, or are denied employment because of your heterosexuality, or.... in fact, I'm tired of the heterosexual agenda constantly shoved in our faces. Straight couples kissing in movies, holding hands in public, tv shows showing straight couples. When my kids are watching "The Walking Dead" and a commercial with a straight couple comes on I am so enraged!
If you can't understand how illogical your statements are than we're done here. Best of luck to you and I sincerely hope you become more accepting of others than you claim to be.
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You are going out of line here. How dare you offend ME, call me a bigot because I have an opinion that differs from yours? Do you have any clue of what I do? Do you have any clue if I help people? Do you have any clue of my reasoning? No. You call me names only because I oppose a law.
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Just find a Raising Cane's. Their chicken is so much better. And without all the homophobia. Better chicken/better politics. That should be their slogan.
But seriously Rasing Cane's has literally the best chicken I have ever tasted. I don't think any other chain even comes close.
Just find a Raising Cane's. Their chicken is so much better. And without all the homophobia. Better chicken/better politics. That should be their slogan.
But seriously Rasing Cane's has literally the best chicken I have ever tasted. I don't think any other chain even comes close.
Raising Cane's is good. How about Babe's?
Oh, the irony. It's one thing to disagree, which this is not about, this is about actively funding organizations that seek to take away the rights of fellow American's based on bigotry, not a difference of opinion.
It was closed the moment you told on yourself. SMH
But in all honesty... it's not "actively" funding these organizations. It's not like all sales are funneled to these orgs. If you want to argue not to eat there for these reasons you need to state that the consumer is "indirectly" funding these organizations.
Certainly, see post #131.
- In January 2011, the media reported that the American fast food restaurant chain Chick-fil-A was co-sponsoring a marriage conference along with the Pennsylvania Family Institute (PFI), an organization that had filed an amicus briefagainst striking down Proposition 8 in California (see Perry v. Brown). The PFI lobbied against a state effort to ban discrimination in Pennsylvania on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity.
- The WinShape Foundation, a charitable endeavor of Chick-fil-A founder S. Truett Cathy and his family, stated it would not allow same-sex couples to participate in its marriage retreats. Chick-fil-A gave over $8 million to the WinShape Foundation in 2010.
- Equality Matters, an LGBT watchdog group, published reports of donations by WinShape to organizations that the watchdog group considers anti-gay, including $2 million in 2009, $1.9 million in 2010 and a total of $5 million since 2003, including grants to the Family Research Council and Georgia Family Council.
- WinShape has also contributed to the Fellowship of Christian Athletes, and Exodus International, an organization noted for supporting ex-gay conversion therapy.
- The Marriage and Family Foundation received $994,199 in 2009 and $1,188,380 in 2010. The Family Research Council, an organization listed as an anti-gay hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center in Winter 2010, received $1000.
- Tax filings for 2012 showed that Chick-fil-A created a new foundation, the Chick-fil-A Foundation, to grant to outside groups. It funded only one previously funded group, the Fellowship of Christian Athletes. Other filings for WinShape Foundation showed no funding for groups opposed to LGBT causes.
Given that millions of dollars from customers line the pockets of the family owned chain, those who vote with their dollars knowing these facts are helping to fund their bigoted agenda in denying rights to others under the US Constitution. This is not about beliefs and disagreeing, the US is a free nation, it's about taking away the rights of others from the profits the corporation receives from patrons.
It's amazing to me as this is exactly what happened when many were persecuted under Nazi Fascism as people turned a blind eye or dismissed discrimination as it escalated. If we don't learn from history we're bound to repeat the same mistakes. The fact that other nations have granted full rights to the LGBT community, including Mexico which is a highly Catholic social structure while many in the US, the land of equal opportunity, seek to deny those very rights established by the Founding Fathers, that "All men are created equal", is astonishing.
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Okay, and looks like they changed their tune:
What have they done in the past year?
I think the "don't eat there cause they are funding something I don't like route" is a farce because then no one would ever eat at any restaurant. I am sure if you looked into all chain eateries, someone, somewhere in the org are going to donate to something that goes against something that you value.
No, they didn't. They're backtracking with marketing and PR films as they lost a great deal of business. The Cathy's have not changed their bigoted views or donations in support of anti-equal rights.
Hired PR firms to change their image, that's it. Nothing else has changed. Dan Cathy is still the CEO of his father's company. They still are donating their companies profits to hateful organizations when as true Christians that money could go to helping the impoverished, environmental causes, education - you know, the true meaning of Jesus and Christianity.
Only a few corporations donate their earnings to actively deny the rights of others. Suggesting that voting with your dollars would lead to not being a patron to all corporations is a straw man's argument based on a mind blowing generalization in an attempt to justify the unjustifiable.
Definitely some escalation here.
Suddenly Chick-Fil-A is Nazi Fascism at it's finest :|
I should have noticed when the employees goose-stepped my food to me. Damn my bad observation skills.
Seems like "something I don't like" isn't really just that (or as "insignificant" as that) in various cases.
SMH it's an example of how a small yet dangerous precedent such as this and others which were dismissed as "nothing" at first lead to the socially acceptable persecution of others due to a difference of opinion pushed into action. You know that, don't make that something it isn't.
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Exactly. Thank you!