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I think you’ll see a new, updated mini at the lower price point. Why? This is based on anecdotal experience, but a mini fits much better into a purse than a 9.7”. My daughter just bought a keyboard for her mini and uses it to take client notes on the go. I just offered to buy my wife the 9.7 iPad to read emails and Facebook in bed at night (she loves her SE but it’s a pain for her to read at night) and instead she offered to switch with my other daughter for her old mini. My wife has friends that carry the 9.7 from the Black Friday sales in their pocketbook and they would have preferred something smaller but this hit the price point. Me? I want the 12.9 but refuse to pay their price for it so I’m at my Air 2 for the moment unless I decide to trade it in... i’ll decide that after I see hers. The way I look at .. the Air2 is worth a $185 in trade in. My daughters new iPad was $410 after AppleCare and tax. So for a little over $200, I get a new device and an extra 2 years warranty. I never take pictures and rarely use it outside so it doesn’t matter.

Apple probably doesn't anyone to carry a low price iPad mini a purse. They want you to carry the 6.5" iPhone coming this September for $1,149.
 
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Apple probably doesn't anyone to carry a low price iPad mini a purse. They want you to carry the 6.5" iPhone coming this September for $1,149.

My current setup is a Pro 10.5 and a large format Android phone - a 6.44 inch Mi Max 2. I'd love to trade that setup for a smaller phone (go back to SE) and an updated iPad Mini LTE.

My use case is travel blogging. I sometimes do live blogs with the Mi Max 2, it is large enough but does have its limitations. To me, an updated iPad Mini would be the perfect setup for travel blogging. Small enough to hold on the go, yet big enough to do some more serious photo editing and even use the camera.

I recently saw a young guy on the train with a Mini in a durable case with a shoulder strap - now this would be perfect to use without a carry bag and whip out when you need it. I think full-size iPad would be just too much.
 
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Apple probably doesn't anyone to carry a low price iPad mini a purse. They want you to carry the 6.5" iPhone coming this September for $1,149.

It’s funny, I think part of the reason some people want big phones is so that they don’t have to buy two devices, a small phone and a small tablet, and therefore save money. But Apple has jacked up the price of big iPhones so much that it costs about the same. Actually my SE 128gb and iPad mini 4 128gb together was only 800 usd brand new. Of course I’m missing out on some flagship iPhone features.
 
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It’s funny, I think part of the reason some people want big phones is so that they don’t have to buy two devices, a small phone and a small tablet, and therefore save money. But Apple has jacked up the price of big iPhones so much that it costs about the same. Actually my SE 128gb and iPad mini 4 128gb together was only 800 usd brand new. Of course I’m missing out on some flagship iPhone features.

Consumers place significant value in the convenience of having one device. I think many people can envision themselves having more screen time with a larger iPhone. As a result, they can justify the higher price tag.
 
Consumers place significant value in the convenience of having one device. I think many people can envision themselves having more screen time with a larger iPhone. As a result, they can justify the higher price tag.

Sure, that’s a large portion of iPhone Plus users, probably the majority. I wasn’t trying to state otherwise.
 
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This may be a dumb question, and I think I know the answer but: will the rumoured 6.5 inch iPhone also have a longer, thinner screen (different ratio), should there be one?
 
Consumers place significant value in the convenience of having one device. I think many people can envision themselves having more screen time with a larger iPhone. As a result, they can justify the higher price tag.

The problem I see with having one device is battery life. If I want to spend a couple of hours reading on my iPad I can do that without worrying I’ll be unable to make to take a call if I need to. Such is the crappy iPhone battery life, mine gets four hours of use on a charge if I’m lucky and apparently my battery health is good. The iPad on the other hand gets over 10 hours on a charge.
 
Add me as a strong +1. I recently got an iPad Pro 10.5" to replace my iPad Air but still have my mini 2 aka Retina mini as I do like the small form factor for some uses.

Mini 4 is way old and long in the tooth so, to me, it's not worth the price Apple wants for it, even as a refurb.
 
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When things normalize, I will politely email Tim Cook about this (and wired keyboards). I would love a mini with pencil support.

All they need to do is update the internals and add pencil support.
 
When things normalize, I will politely email Tim Cook about this (and wired keyboards). I would love a mini with pencil support.

All they need to do is update the internals and add pencil support.
Let us know what Tim says :rolleyes:
 
actually Apple should use back the iPad mini 2 body with no laminated display and no Apple Pencil support but with A10 chip and Touch ID first gen and come out 2018 iPad mini with lower price tag than the current 2018 ipad which is good enough to a lot ppl also.
 
Let us know what Tim says :rolleyes:
:rolleyes:
if Apple knows there is demand ( a la situation with Macs and displays ) things could change.

His team has actually done everything I have asked when I politely requested something, so it cannot hurt for people to email and let him know they want a Mini with pencil capabilities. For all the pining here and perhaps elsewhere, why not?

If it suits their bottom line, we might get what we’d like.
 
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actually Apple should use back the iPad mini 2 body with no laminated display and no Apple Pencil support but with A10 chip and Touch ID first gen and come out 2018 iPad mini with lower price tag than the current 2018 ipad which is good enough to a lot ppl also.
And whilst I wouldn’t mind the A10 chip or the heavier device I wouldn’t want to go back to a non laminated display.
 
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It isn't expensive enough…

Apple at this point would prefer to get people to buy a plus size iPhone and fill the same role all for a much higher average selling price.

I have seen the small tablet form factor especially often used by kids and in settings where affordability is of the essence.

I bet the vast majority of the user base of the iPad mini will not have an expensive iPhone as they don’t belong into that target audience.
 
:rolleyes:
if Apple knows there is demand ( a la situation with Macs and displays ) things could change.

His team has actually done everything I have asked when I politely requested something, so it cannot hurt for people to email and let him know they want a Mini with pencil capabilities. For all the pining here and perhaps elsewhere, why not?

If it suits their bottom line, we might get what we’d like.
Like I said, let us know what he says. :rolleyes:
 
So far, my iPad mini 4 is holding up well in iOS 11.3;
Still, would love a refresh with a better processor and apple pencil support; While I also have a 10.5" pro, I carry the mini to work and use it primarily to read books(kindle etc) while in transit and also to take notes while at work;
I have completely replaced taking notes on paper with iPad mini 4 + Adonit dash 3 stylus+ Noteshelf 2 app;
I will hold on to the mini as long as it works..

A bigger iPhone, for me at least, cannot give the reading experience I get from a mini...
 
I have seen the small tablet form factor especially often used by kids and in settings where affordability is of the essence.

I bet the vast majority of the user base of the iPad mini will not have an expensive iPhone as they don’t belong into that target audience.

Dunno, I am firmly in the iPad mini corner, actually bought me a new one last August when my iPad mini retina was finally completely destroyed. At that point i had an iPhone 6s plus and got a X a few months later.

Pricepoint is not the issue to me, however, form factor is. The iPhone is nice for on the go, and i actually love the slightly smaller size of the X over the Plus models as it sits more comfortably in my pockets. However, for prolonged reading, technical documentation, learning, and even watching videos i prefer the iPad mini. Why not the 10.5? Simple, that is too big for me, although it was tempting. I can hold the mini in one hand and read it like a normal book, and that is priceless. And of course, when typing out a report on the go, it is much better than the phone, in fact, some of the specialized software i have to use is not available for the phone, but works fine on the mini.

I certainly would buy a top of the shelf iPad Mini Pro as soon as it is released. Sadly, i don't think they will do that. Oh yes, my other iPad is an old Air 2 128GB, which sits after its recent reset still at "Hello" waiting to be used. Simply don't see the point in that thing.
 
Dunno, I am firmly in the iPad mini corner, actually bought me a new one last August when my iPad mini retina was finally completely destroyed. At that point i had an iPhone 6s plus and got a X a few months later.

Pricepoint is not the issue to me, however, form factor is. The iPhone is nice for on the go, and i actually love the slightly smaller size of the X over the Plus models as it sits more comfortably in my pockets. However, for prolonged reading, technical documentation, learning, and even watching videos i prefer the iPad mini. Why not the 10.5? Simple, that is too big for me, although it was tempting. I can hold the mini in one hand and read it like a normal book, and that is priceless. And of course, when typing out a report on the go, it is much better than the phone, in fact, some of the specialized software i have to use is not available for the phone, but works fine on the mini.

I certainly would buy a top of the shelf iPad Mini Pro as soon as it is released. Sadly, i don't think they will do that. Oh yes, my other iPad is an old Air 2 128GB, which sits after its recent reset still at "Hello" waiting to be used. Simply don't see the point in that thing.


Agreed 100%. I was vacillating between the 10.5 and 12.9 IPP for ages. The 12.9 was unwieldy in tablet mode. Guess what? The store gave me a demo to take home, the 10.5 is ALSO too big to read on. I’m used to my kindle fire (think it’s 8 inches or so). There’s no point compromising and trying to get one device to do two things and fall short on both.

May as well get the largest IPP experience and the most appropriate on the go iPad which is the Mini. Perfect combination for me is the phone for quick posts and tweets, large IPP as a semi laptop replacement and note taker or video editor and the iPad mini for reading, couch browsing, emails, long social media sessions etc. throw in a stylus and we have the perfect moleskine replacement.

Let’s see what happens. I’m also watching the surface andromeda mobile project. I’m pretty OS agnostic these days and without a mini, I’ll look at other options.
 
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Agreed 100%. I was vacillating between the 10.5 and 12.9 IPP for ages. The 12.9 was unwieldy in tablet mode. Guess what? The store gave me a demo to take home, the 10.5 is ALSO too big to read on. I’m used to my kindle fire (think it’s 8 inches or so). There’s no point compromising and trying to get one device to do two things and fall short on both.

May as well get the largest IPP experience and the most appropriate on the go iPad which is the Mini. Perfect combination for me is the phone for quick posts and tweets, large IPP as a semi laptop replacement and note taker or video editor and the iPad mini for reading, couch browsing, emails, long social media sessions etc. throw in a stylus and we have the perfect moleskine replacement.

Let’s see what happens. I’m also watching the surface andromeda mobile project. I’m pretty OS agnostic these days and without a mini, I’ll look at other options.
I've been down that road (12.9 Pro + Mini 4). Worked great for about a year. But the limitations and lack of advancement by Apple (in expanding functionality of iOS on the Pro) became an irritant to me. I found it more beneficial to leave the 12.9 Pro at home, and take my 11" MBA + Mini 4. Better, but not ideal. With the release of the 2018 iPad, I gave the 12.9 Pro to my wife, repurposed the Mini 4.

the 2018 iPad is turning out to be an option (considering the current state of iOS) for taking notes (handwritten and typed) in meetings, reading, and leisure. I LOVE the ASK and miss it, but I have a Logitech keys-to-go keyboard and Logitech K380 (which I keep at the office for use with my iPad and iPhone).

Interesting that you should mention the iPad being a Moleskine replacement. I've designed a custom notebook/journal for use with GoodNotes and use it with the Apple Pencil and 2018 iPad. It has been working surprisingly well. Better than my experience with OneNote (which surprised me).

Best wishes with your 12.9 iPad Pro journey! Be sure to post your experiences along the way, it will be helpful for others.
 
It’s funny, I think part of the reason some people want big phones is so that they don’t have to buy two devices, a small phone and a small tablet, and therefore save money. But Apple has jacked up the price of big iPhones so much that it costs about the same. Actually my SE 128gb and iPad mini 4 128gb together was only 800 usd brand new. Of course I’m missing out on some flagship iPhone features.

And if you're like me and do not use the flagship iPhone features, no worries :). Your set up would be my ideal one, provided we get updates to both products. The less I have to spend on both the better (after spending way too much on a 7+ and 12.9" iPad Pro last year, I would be fine with an SE and an iPad Mini.)
 
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I threw in the towel and bought a new mini 4. I missed my 2 so much, just couldn’t wait any longer.
 
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I've been down that road (12.9 Pro + Mini 4). Worked great for about a year. But the limitations and lack of advancement by Apple (in expanding functionality of iOS on the Pro) became an irritant to me. I found it more beneficial to leave the 12.9 Pro at home, and take my 11" MBA + Mini 4. Better, but not ideal. With the release of the 2018 iPad, I gave the 12.9 Pro to my wife, repurposed the Mini 4.

the 2018 iPad is turning out to be an option (considering the current state of iOS) for taking notes (handwritten and typed) in meetings, reading, and leisure. I LOVE the ASK and miss it, but I have a Logitech keys-to-go keyboard and Logitech K380 (which I keep at the office for use with my iPad and iPhone).

Interesting that you should mention the iPad being a Moleskine replacement. I've designed a custom notebook/journal for use with GoodNotes and use it with the Apple Pencil and 2018 iPad. It has been working surprisingly well. Better than my experience with OneNote (which surprised me).

Best wishes with your 12.9 iPad Pro journey! Be sure to post your experiences along the way, it will be helpful for others.

Ill reply in detail in a bit. I do want to move all my mobile work over to an iPad (author and soon to be vlogger) but will more than likely always have a desktop set up as well. I need a large monitor to edit. Period. A 12.9 inch screen won’t cut it. I’ve still got my 2011 MBa11 sitting around but in 2016 ended up getting a thinkpad yoga as my main mobile : desktop device. The Apple keyboards were atrocious. Plus , I think I’m just bored of laptops. :)

I may ask you for Some info on good notes. For now I’m trying to use one more but end up using an actual moleskine more or just opening up a word file and just writing running notes and ideas on the Fly. Definitely need more organization on that end. The next project is huge and this won’t cut it.

The new iPad? Not sure if it’s for me. Personally I still find it too big to read. The mini or my kindle is the best size. Notes ... I’ll be using scrivener, or have an article or a book on the left and writing on the right. May as well go as large as I can. Let it do one job righT and pick up a second more appropriate gadget for reading etc.

I hear ya on ios limitations. For me the biggest hurdle is going to be not opening TWO word documents side by side , a crappy file system, not being able to attach files with ease and that Smart Keyboard. WoWza. Can’t get used to it. Here’s hoping for a nice PRO backlit keyboard. Charge more if you need to but give us a choice.

Most things I’ll find a way around. Heck my android blackberry will work to send emails with attachments easily. Keyboard and two word docs is almost non negotiable, let’s see what June brings.

A lovely large iMac at home 12.9 on the road, iPhone for phone and quick tasks. The hole here is a “couch brosser” or mobile iPad. A mini pro would be ideal. If not, and if this is released it’s an instant buy from me. Tech is a hobby of mine, I like my toys.

https://www.computerworld.com/artic...reasons-to-love-the-secret-surface-phone.html
 
I have seen the small tablet form factor especially often used by kids and in settings where affordability is of the essence.

I bet the vast majority of the user base of the iPad mini will not have an expensive iPhone as they don’t belong into that target audience.

Most company used the iPad Mini like Apple's store employees! I do not think Apple really worry about the cost to tell you the truth. I hoping for an iPad Mini Pro that has a retail cost of at least $1,200-$1,500 and that without LTE 5 option. With the LTE 5; $1,350-$1650, I would buy the $1,650 model!
 
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