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Apple, Please stop this stupid war and work with ADOBE to include Flash in the iPad.

It is not a stupid war.

Flash is a stupid product and misused by poor web designers.

If you have a favorite site that has not yet learned not to rely on flash to run their website, contact them and protest to them.

The problems with flash are many, and they are not going away. So learn to start protesting to the right people.

I understand people want to complain to Apple, but the reality is they need to complain to the websites. Flash is not some awesome tool that web developers can't live without. It is a tool used by incompetent, lazy and/or inexperienced web developers.
 
G4R2 said:
Java is but Javascript, which is probably what you're referring to, isn't.
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Don't worry, I know the difference (I've been a Java developer for over ten years...).

Java's used on the Web and is proprietary, so your claim that Flash is the last great proprietary internet technology is bogus.
 
colmaclean said:
Don't worry, I know the difference (I've been a Java developer for over ten years...).

Java's used on the Web and is proprietary, so your claim that Flash is the last great proprietary internet technology is bogus.
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Java is very rarely used these days (on websites, anyway) - no where near the same amount as flash.
 
You gotta love how it's ok for Apple to do all this proprietary crap because it's "gooooood" but Adobe doing the same thing is "baaad"...

Before I discovered the Apple world I didn't even care what Flash was and just used it like I use any "standard" computer app.

General public doesnt even know what flash is, it will be interesting having iPad customers bringing them back to the Apple store because it does not display their favorite websites properly.
 
Runt888 said:
Java is very rarely used these days (on websites, anyway) - no where near the same amount as flash.
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Actually java is probably run on 99% of all websites or more these days. It is not a lot, but almost every website uses it, as most tracking is done via javascript.

However java does not such and flash does.
 
marksman said:
Actually java is probably run on 99% of all websites or more these days. It is not a lot, but almost every website uses it, as most tracking is done via javascript.

However java does not such and flash does.
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Java isn't the same as javascript.
 
marksman said:
Actually java is probably run on 99% of all websites or more these days. It is not a lot, but almost every website uses it, as most tracking is done via javascript.

However java does not such and flash does.
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Java and Javascript are different things.

Java is a programming language that runs in a virtual machine and is the property of Sun Microsystems.

Javascript is an open source scripting language that is derived from Mocha.

Most sites use Javascript while very few use Java.
 
G4R2 said:
Java and Javascript are different things.

Java is a programming language that runs in a virtual machine and is the property of Sun Microsystems.

Javascript is an open source scripting language that is derived from Mocha.

Most sites use Javascript while very few use Java.
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you are correct.
 
This is what will kill the iPhone OS. Steve Jobs is only showing how incapable their software is by limiting its access.

I can count on my hands and toes of the amount of people that were looking forward to the tablet, only to be swept to check out the microsoft courier because of how restricted it is.

I am voting with my wallet, I will not be buying an iPad.

As far as FLASH is for lazy developers, lol. I doubt you have ever worked in web development. Tell that to the NYTimes.com web developers, and they'll laugh at your face on the way out.

Looks like Mossberg is going to tear Steve Jobs a new one on this very issue, look at the small interview he had with Steve about why he decided not to do Flash.
 
marksman said:
Actually java is probably run on 99% of all websites or more these days. It is not a lot, but almost every website uses it, as most tracking is done via javascript.

However java does not such and flash does.
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Commenting on web developers and their incompetence of using Flash and you mention that java runs on 99% of websites?

lol.
 
Completely agree OP. The user should be able to decide if they want flash or not. A simple setting to turn flash on/off would be nice. All gadget users should be in favor of choice. I am appalled at the flash haters here. You should support fellow users and support choice. If you don't want to use flash they you can just turn it off. I don't want/need TTY on my iPhone but I am not campaigning against it because I can turn it off.
 
MTI said:
Honestly, I have Hulu Desktop on the iMac I'm using right now . . . I think I've used it a half dozen times.

Flash fans, show Apple you mean business and stop buying their mobile OS products.
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You must be joking. Just coz I cant get flash for the iPad/iPhone I must settle for an android/WinMo and Windows netbooks. No freaking way. Flash is alright. The only place where flash is used and I`ll be missing it is a few video sites. And by the looks of it, thats not going to be a problem for too long either.

As far as flash apps and games are concerned, I dont think there is any lack of them in the AppStore. I`d rather use them instead of the crappier flash versions which dont even run well on my MacBook, let alone the iPad.
 
EnderTW said:
I can count on my hands and toes of the amount of people that were looking forward to the tablet, only to be swept to check out the microsoft courier because of how restricted it is.
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LOL. They can run Duke Nukem Forever on it when courier finally goes on sale.
 
Solution to Flash on iPod or iPad

Well... I think Flash support for Macs really stink. I like ice hockey and I've never been able to get NHL.com to show the streaming video on Safari. Flash streaming from NHL.com is crappy even on a Windoze PeeCee with stuttering and choppy playback if it's a long stream.

Soooo....if you really want to be able to view Flash video on your iPad/iPod, here's an idea that you folks can feel free to shoot down for its craziness:

Use a VNC App and control your remote PC (or Mac with Virtualized Windoze with IE or Firefox with Flash).

Any other solutions other than hacking the iPod/iPad?
 
Ok so far as I can tell the Flash debates brings two sites up alot, Hulu and this Farmville? Sorry don't even know what that is. Must be some kids game. Anyhow I read a post about how you can't use sites like ESPN, NYT, CNN etc... Well that is all good and true, but the missing bit of info these people overlook is the fact that ESPN, NYT and nearly every major news outlet has built an app to deliver their content. If Hulu steps up and has an app, exactly what are we missing?

You can cry the blues all day long but there is an absolute ton of apps for FREE, or so cheap it's pathetic. I personally would much rather pay .99 cents and have it a native app vs relying on a connection to access web/flash based content. I get kids want everything free and handed to them, but with the largest video site already converting and making HTML5 content available, Youtube will set the standard that other video sites will follow. Flash maybe here to stay for a while, but having an alternate "open" option is here with HTML5.

The best part of it all, the very same people trying to say how great flash is are usually the linux, andriod crowd saying how evil and closed the iPhone OS. You really need to look in the mirror because Flash is about as closed as it gets, and a hellva long ways from FREE to the developers who pay thru the nose for the dev tools they must have to build content.

You can blame Apple all you like, Adobe jumped in bed with MS a long time ago, so Apple as well as Mozilla who recently dumped flash from it's mobile platform clearly are the red headed step children here. Adobe simply done't want to take the time to build a better mousetrap when all the MS users don't complain about performance because they already have a computer bogged down with other issues to even notice how badly it performs.
 
bossxii said:
Ok so far as I can tell the Flash debates brings two sites up alot, Hulu and this Farmville? Sorry don't even know what that is. Must be some kids game. Anyhow I read a post about how you can't use sites like ESPN, NYT, CNN etc... Well that is all good and true, but the missing bit of info these people overlook is the fact that ESPN, NYT and nearly every major news outlet has built an app to deliver their content. If Hulu steps up and has an app, exactly what are we missing?

You can cry the blues all day long but there is an absolute ton of apps for FREE, or so cheap it's pathetic. I personally would much rather pay .99 cents and have it a native app vs relying on a connection to access web/flash based content. I get kids want everything free and handed to them, but with the largest video site already converting and making HTML5 content available, Youtube will set the standard that other video sites will follow. Flash maybe here to stay for a while, but having an alternate "open" option is here with HTML5.

The best part of it all, the very same people trying to say how great flash is are usually the linux, andriod crowd saying how evil and closed the iPhone OS. You really need to look in the mirror because Flash is about as closed as it gets, and a hellva long ways from FREE to the developers who pay thru the nose for the dev tools they must have to build content.

You can blame Apple all you like, Adobe jumped in bed with MS a long time ago, so Apple as well as Mozilla who recently dumped flash from it's mobile platform clearly are the red headed step children here. Adobe simply done't want to take the time to build a better mousetrap when all the MS users don't complain about performance because they already have a computer bogged down with other issues to even notice how badly it performs.
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Why do Apple fanboys think that just because Apple doesn't like Adobe, that Adobe is somehow in bed with Microsoft. This whole PC vs MAC thing needs to die. I think the MAC vs PC ads are childish and immature.

Secondly, I can understand that Flash isn't doing too well on Mac OS X, Flash runs great on my PCs. The reason for this is that the Apple dev team didn't want to give Adobe access to hardware API's, like Microsoft or other major Linux distributions do. You can't expect Adobe to use R&D and split development just for Apple.

The problem is, Apple is the child in this war. They are stepping to a war that they cannot win. They simply do not have the marketshare. I am not asking for flash to be forced upon you, make it a browser option. Set the default to NO flash so that the grandmas and grandpas don't worry.

I am saddened, that innovation is being hindered by censorship and control on the part of Apple. This will be my last post unless someone says something completely fanboyish.

I guess this is just the philosophy of Apple, and it's their business model. Control everything so quality remains high. I applaud Microsoft and other Linux distributions from not controlling everything and letting us have the option. Sure quality will suffer, but only for those who don't know what they're doing. I just wished Apple would compromise and give the user some options.

I agree with the App store and it's policies, for a mobile device like the iPhone and iPad control quality is key. App store has fostered great innovation. However, limiting flash on a mobile device like the iPad? ugh. wasted potential!
 
If flash dies I think Adobe should have the right to remove revoke PDF as an open standard and move it back to proprietary status.

That would be so epic :D

Oh ya, this whole thing is silly. Lest we forget how many devs Apple pissed off when they yanked 64 bit carbon off the roadmap, and then Apple users were even MORE angry that Photoshop was available in 64-bit flavor...for Windows..and not for "ye grassroots mac!". I still believe ADBE sells more copies of Creative Suite on Windows than they do on Mac. methinks they could save on development costs (which would outstrip lost sales) by abandoning the platform and moving strictly to windows like Autodesk (with few exceptions) and alot of the 3d apps.
 
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