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t can do both - all cars do NFC, so you can tap your phone or watch (including for a short time after your iPhone goes flat), and some cars also support UWB so you just need to be within close proximity with no need to tap anything.

(For the Volvo EX30 in the lower priced tiers in Australia, it's NFC only. Higher priced trims add UWB in addition to NFC)

Also not all iPhone or Apple Watch models have UWB, so having NFC means it works on 'older' devices too.
I know the iPhone can do both, but Apple CarKey is a specific product in the Wallet that supports key sharing etc. According to the article that product is NFC only.
 
Because they are both a part of the same group? I mean, wouldn't Porsche get it first? :)
Huh, I didn’t realize Porsche was part of the Audi/VW group. An Atlas is the poor person’s Q7 (my partner drives an Atlas). But neither brand seems to have any Porsche in their DNA. Would be a lot cooler if they did.
 
Some vehicle platforms are shared between Porsche and Audi. For example, the Audi e-tron GT has the same underpinnings (chassis, drivetrain, battery, software, etc) as the Porsche Taycan. Same goes for the new Macan and Q6 e-tron.
Every day a school day. I didn’t know that.
 
I see. Well ok then. But I wouldn't expect it for a few years and only for the top models...
Turns out I’m wrong. Another member has pointed out that Porsche and Audi do have some shared chassis. I guess if VW Group adopt car keys at group level we might well see it trickle down to all four brands.
 
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I have a Polestar 2, which has a digital key linked to their app. Based on how that performs I would NEVER EVER trust a digital car key for fear of being locked out of my car and stranded.
I have a Polestar 2, and since March 2022, I've not used anything else but PAK (Phone as key). Works absolutely brilliantly for me.
 
Does anyone know if this could potentially be added to older models ? Think etron 2020,or is there a hardware limitation?
 
Not a very up to date list. 2024- Mini’s are not on there.

Yeh for folks confused, this isn’t like Tesla’s implementation, which uses its own app. This is far better. Uses nfc/wallet to unlock. Even if phone battery is dead. You can allow access and even drive permission to others remotely. It’s pretty cool.
The new mini's even have a physical digital key (Thin credit card) in addition to physical key, Mini app and digital wallet on IOS or Android to lock/unlock etc.

With the Mini app you can always check status of all doors and windows amongst other things.
 
Quite surprised by this as Volvo are very much in bed with google, which is very annoying if you are carplay/apple orientated. The XC90 doesn't even have wireless CarPlay which BMW does have for example.
 
Quite surprised by this as Volvo are very much in bed with google, which is very annoying if you are carplay/apple orientated. The XC90 doesn't even have wireless CarPlay which BMW does have for example.
Google AAOS is excellent. I must admit, it is the first car where I haven't felt compelled to use Apple Carplay at all. Everything integrates brilliantly.
 
Great feature until thieves work out how to clone it I suppose. We already keep our Audi key in a Faraday box, I don't really want to have to put my iPhone in there every night lol (joke btw).
 
When did opening a door with a key become a burden?
When did inserting a key into a car's ignition become a burden? When did manually moving seats or winding down windows become a burden? These are convenience features that differentiate one brand/model/trim from another.

And from personal experience, having just switched to a car which doesn't have keyless 'touch' entry after getting used to the feature for several years, I'm actually really missing it, especially coming back to the car with both hands full and having to put stuff down to rummage in my pocket for my keys, then feel out the right button rather than just kick my foot under the back and have the boot open for me.
 
In the middle of a camp site "Error 5204 ; car ignition failed. update app or call Apple for tech support"

Seriously, why do people want everything turned into an app? Somethings are better left to manual operations. From what we have seen apps and devices often have bugs or break or they are no longer updated.
In the middle of a camp site "OMG I dropped my keyfob in the lake!"

Seriously, why do people manufacture stories like this in their head like every implementation of an automobile key doesn't have some limitations.
 
Thanks Tesla!!! I've had this since I've picked up my 1st Tesla in 2018!

It's so amazing that you don't even need to leave keys with... and you can allow someone to open or drive, even when away from the vehicle! BOOM MIND BLOWN!
 
Thanks Tesla!!! I've had this since I've picked up my 1st Tesla in 2018!

It's so amazing that you don't even need to leave keys with... and you can allow someone to open or drive, even when away from the vehicle! BOOM MIND BLOWN!
No, you haven't ;) Sure you had Tesla's app or card, potentially giving a similar experience, but it is actually different. And Tesla wasn't first at all, plenty of traditional manufacturers did a similar thing. But everyone was doing their thing to different standards and quality… That was the problem.
 
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No, you haven't ;) Sure you had Tesla's app or card, potentially giving a similar experience, but it is actually different. And Tesla wasn't first at all, plenty of traditional manufacturers did a similar thing. But everyone was doing their thing to different standards and quality… That was the problem.
Tit for tat, functionally the same. how you skin it meh, get real.
 
No, you haven't ;) Sure you had Tesla's app or card, potentially giving a similar experience, but it is actually different. And Tesla wasn't first at all, plenty of traditional manufacturers did a similar thing. But everyone was doing their thing to different standards and quality… That was the problem.
Somebody else shipped a car where you don't receive a key or fob first? Please enlighten us.

Unless I'm mistaken, not only was Tesla first, but they're still the only one shipping cars where your primary key is just your phone.

(Just double checked - Lucid, Rivian, and Polestar all appear to include either a key or a fob with their vehicles.)

Apple's implementation is irrelevant if Android can't do the same thing. If Android can't do the same, then car manufacturers will still have to include ways for customers who use Android phones to access their cars, meaning supporting Apple's thing will increase cost/complexity instead of reduce it.

By Tesla doing their own thing, they made it work with both iPhone and Android which meant they could do away with the complexity of building/shipping keys with the car, which just reduces potential reasons people need service.
 
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Oh yes, the force of Tesla with rewriting history is always strong online. Yet, Tesla did ship with keys, charging curve is way beyond others on the market, heck they didn't even have one pedal driving, and that is not even beginning to talk about build quality and so on.

Always a good reminder why I won't get a Tesla.
 
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