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MP 7,1 Apple Pro Display - trickle down?
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Doubtful. There are production displays that also include histogram, waterfall, vectorscope and other necesary tools which the Apple product omits.
This is a great display for post production, color grading, photography or graphics.
On location that big ole dust catching cheese grater will be problematic. The lack of other input formats is also problematic. The lack of other powering options is a barrier as well.
@Freida that apple display is a trickle down display from the ones that cost over 30K.
if you want a budget display BenQ are cheep options
BenQ PD3200U 4K 32inch 10-bit 100% sRGB and Rec.709 £600 in UK amazon
https://www.amazon.co.uk/BenQ-PD320...1562691679&rnid=1642204031&s=computers&sr=1-9
or
the 1440p version is only £350 32inch 10-bit 100% sRGB and Rec.709
https://www.amazon.co.uk/BenQ-PD270...91679&rnid=1642204031&s=computers&sr=1-5&th=1
and the BenQ SW2700PT 27 inch 1440p is 99% Adobe RGB and £600
if you live in the UK https://colorconfidence.com/collections/monitors is worth a look
they are budget options and on amazon UK i see them on sale sometimes with £100-200 of the price
if you want a half way point in price something more PRO then look at EIZO or NEC
something like a
Eizo CG319X 4K (4096 x 2160 so tad bigger) 31inch, HDR, 98% of the DCI-P3, supports the Rec. 2020, 99% of the Adobe RGB
https://www.eizoglobal.com/products/coloredge/cg319x/index.html
that's a nice (cheep pro) display& got to love the 5 year Eizo warranty
also if you want a 10-bit display do make sure your GPU can send out a 10-bit signal
black magic has a few PCI cards for video monitoring that may be worth a look
https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/uk/products/decklink
https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/uk/products/intensitypro4k/techspecs/W-INT-05
and a few more options
PS i use and like BenQ displays but i do see on amazon a lot of complaints so i do check each display i get and only buy from amazon direct to make sure i never have a problem with returns or warranty.
also i live in the UK so good consumer protection.
relay the same is true with all displays
if you want a budget display BenQ are cheep options
BenQ PD3200U 4K 32inch 10-bit 100% sRGB and Rec.709 £600 in UK amazon
https://www.amazon.co.uk/BenQ-PD320...1562691679&rnid=1642204031&s=computers&sr=1-9
or
the 1440p version is only £350 32inch 10-bit 100% sRGB and Rec.709
https://www.amazon.co.uk/BenQ-PD270...91679&rnid=1642204031&s=computers&sr=1-5&th=1
and the BenQ SW2700PT 27 inch 1440p is 99% Adobe RGB and £600
if you live in the UK https://colorconfidence.com/collections/monitors is worth a look
they are budget options and on amazon UK i see them on sale sometimes with £100-200 of the price
if you want a half way point in price something more PRO then look at EIZO or NEC
something like a
Eizo CG319X 4K (4096 x 2160 so tad bigger) 31inch, HDR, 98% of the DCI-P3, supports the Rec. 2020, 99% of the Adobe RGB
https://www.eizoglobal.com/products/coloredge/cg319x/index.html
that's a nice (cheep pro) display& got to love the 5 year Eizo warranty
also if you want a 10-bit display do make sure your GPU can send out a 10-bit signal
black magic has a few PCI cards for video monitoring that may be worth a look
https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/uk/products/decklink
https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/uk/products/intensitypro4k/techspecs/W-INT-05
and a few more options
PS i use and like BenQ displays but i do see on amazon a lot of complaints so i do check each display i get and only buy from amazon direct to make sure i never have a problem with returns or warranty.
also i live in the UK so good consumer protection.
relay the same is true with all displays
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BenQ also have a 27" 4k Uniformity corrected auto-calibrating (popup calibrator in the bezel) display, with 10 bit wide gamut and SDI inputs coming out soon, as the high end companion to their current sw271 27"4k.
@mattspace just had a look and the SW320 is only £70 ish more than the sw271
https://www.amazon.co.uk/BenQ-SW271-Photographer-Monitor-Percent/dp/B01MSJ7KYG?th=1
any way they are new budget options for higher quality displays
and you do need a calibration device once your looking at more fancy displays
https://www.amazon.co.uk/BenQ-SW271-Photographer-Monitor-Percent/dp/B01MSJ7KYG?th=1
any way they are new budget options for higher quality displays
and you do need a calibration device once your looking at more fancy displays
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the 320 is basically just a bigger version, still 4k, with a slightly older port selection.
it's not so much that you need a calibrator, it's that you *can* use a calibrator, which can speak directly to, and alter the hardware in the display. lot of cheaper displays (including Apple's) don't let you do that.
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Well I might know understand why there is no speakers... in the specs of the mac pro: Audio --> internal speakers! But still don't really understand why the speakers are built in the mac pro and not in the monitor...
Although Apple has taken away the default start up chime, it still is extremely useful to have diagnostic tones to indicate that something is wrong. The system should be dependent upon an external device to communicate something is wrong. Similar issue for basic system 'beeps' and indicators; it is a basic accessibility feature.
There is no need for "very good" speakers, just "good enough" to communicate.
Discrete monitors shouldn't have very many failure modes ( the firmware should be "slow as molasses in the Polar vortex' slow in changes if done right. )
Yes, any kind of communication for diagnostics would be great. But what I understand is that the Mac Pro have loudspeakers (not only used for diagnostics) like the iMac. However there aren't any in the Apple Display. So if you plan to buy one, you will have to use separate loudspeakers or the ones on the Macbook Pro.
They probably have the same speakers as all the other Mac Pros, which are garbage and useful for things like boot chime. They're not at all like the iMac ones, which are reasonably high quality.
In the context of the Pro Apple Display trying to display trying to replace reference monitors in a reference studio, the folks buying this monitor will already have some at least multiple $100 ( and often $1,000+ ) budget allocated for discrete speakers.
Audio scoring work for some big budget video project ... basically the same issue.
As a live, tethered, "Group Review' monitor in a high end photography studio context: audio isn't even a pressing issue as it is all static pictures.
Those were the two major use case, Apple highlighted in their WWDC demo room.
If trying to evaluate the XDR against Bubba Joe's generic desktop monitor it is a completely different context. I'm sure will be a small number of folks who press this monitor into places wasn't particularly designed for ( code development, internet streaming video watching , etc. ). However, also throwing discretion money on the 'fire' just to buy the XDR anyway. Buying some external speakers isn't that much bigger of a pull.
I've been through the AR and photo break downs on the Apple website for the new Mac Pro there is nothing like the iMac or iMac Pro speaker assemblies there at all. I'm sure they have stuffed 'something' into one of the air channeling guides but it is likely not to much better than the Mini or some of the lower end Mac Laptops. The tech specs for the new Mac Pro says that it has a "speaker" ( singular. ). Most Macs have stereo speakers. Especially in the 'ego purchase' context.
Again it would be useful to examine the contexts where folks have already deployed Mac Pros. I'd wager more than a few folks already have external speakers (spanning an extremely wide range of costs) connected to their systems. Same thing true here. A fair number of those are going to extremely more affordable monitors that have speakers. I'd be very surprised if the Pro XDR shipped with Mac Pro's even at rate of 20% of desktop case style Mac Pro sold. The rack versions (presuming that Apple doesn't flake on making them ) will probably be relatively close to zero percent bundled with a XDR.
In case anyone is interested, I got the chance to measure the iiyama 5K monitor using a SpyderXPro and it infact does 100% DCI-P3 colour. For some reason, iiyama are underpromising and overdelivering on spec.
Yeah, the issue is banding and gradients.
| Bit depth | 6-bit | 8-bit | 10-bit |
| Gray scale values | 64 | 264 | 1024 |
| RGB values | 262144 | 16.77 million | 1.07 billion |
bingo, you're unlikely to ever notice the difference on a full-colour photo (except for big clear sky landscapes) but the moment you're working on a design project where you have a gradient background, especially a greyscale one, it's like being back in the days of QuarkXpress and low-res proxy images.
I suspect that Apple does produce a trickle-down version of this monitor within a year... Same panel, somewhat less fancy backlight. Comes with a nice Xeon-W 2200 series computer attached (iMac Pro). Whether you can get it without the computer is a more difficult question.
The solution is getting a 55”/65” 8k tv to use as a monitor. It’s effectively like 4 30” 4K displays. They are coming down in price now. I know it sounds crazy big for the desktop, but again, 2 30” displays take up that foot print on the surface of your desk already.
55” 8k display:
https://www.walmart.com/ip/SAMSUNG-...MIzLDQt46r5gIVDdNkCh2HIwzpEAkYEiABEgLn-_D_BwE
55” 8k display:
https://www.walmart.com/ip/SAMSUNG-...MIzLDQt46r5gIVDdNkCh2HIwzpEAkYEiABEgLn-_D_BwE
reference modes?
plus terrible latency for when I play fortnite.... er, I mean Apple needs to support cuda for ML and scientific applications, yeah, that's what I meant /s
These are early models. 60hz will be fine. If you want to game get some piece of **** 27” with high refresh rate...oh yea, and a pc.
You missed the "/s" 😉 I'm not interested in fortnite or a Windows pc. XDR is going to be fine for me.