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My gosh, how populist.
Before the iPhone we had WWI, WWII which caused quite a few more problems than iOS devices.

Instead of making pointless statements comparing wars to social media enabling devices, you would do better to compare the CAUSES of those wars to changes in society, particularly how imposing extreme sanctions on Germany after World War I lead to economic and sociological conditions that made it possible for a demagogue like Hitler to gain power in the first place. Ironically, therefore if WWI hadn't happened, WWII would not have happened as it did either. Today we have political causes of economical policies that are leading to ever-widening economic class changes and social media via the Internet largely driven by the invention of modern smart phone (of which Steve Jobs has a lot to do with) and oddly the conditions for potential demagogue with a mega-ego and delusions of god-hood to get into office in the USA has reached a historical point that one can hardly ignore on the news. In other words, the smart phone has made it ever easier for mentally imbalanced people to find each other, whether fringe political movements or even terrorists.

Newer technologies like self-driving cars will make society even more dependent on technology and have even less skills should something go wrong (e.g. Russia or China takes out the GPS satellites or even a strong solar flare) and suddenly people can't even travel down the street anymore, which will lead to CHAOS. But we don't consider any of those potential problems when we design this crap. We see it as a way to reduce traffic accidents and don't think about long term implications of continually dumbing down society and creating havoc should those services somehow fail in the future.
 
Ok, can I run my Linux virtual machine on it...? No
Can I run a Windows virtual machine on it...? No
Can I write code on it...? No
Can I install ruby on it...? No
Can I access the terminal...? No
Can I connect my Thunderbolt equipped audio interface to it...? No
Can I install my audio plugins or run my software instruments on it...? No
Can I run Logic Pro X on it...? No
Can I plug a Blu-ray drive into it...? No
Can I install handbrake on it...? No
Can I rip my films to iTunes format on it...? No
Can I plug my external hard-drive into it...? No
Can I plug my microSD card into it and edit my video in Final Cut Pro X...? No
Can I charge my USB device plugged into one of the ports...? No
Can I drive multiple displays with it...? No
Can I run Steam on it, to play my games...? No
Can I plug my game controller into it...? No

So, it's not a computer then is it Apple?

It can still be a computer just a limited one. (Missing too many things to be 100% useful on its own)
 
Apple employee-Do you really think we should run the iPad Pro ad as is?
Tim-Sure, let's run it up the old flag pole and see how many salute!
Apple employee-Well, the good news is thousands have saluted! The bad news is over 90% are one finger salutes! :p
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A computer can truly multitask.
True.

Yet powerful and highly influential Apple is masterfully taking advantage of the fact that hoards of Apple iOS devotees have no clue as to what multitasking is. If they did, there's no way they would have put up with the incredibly old, arcane and very slow, mechanical home button. Nor would Apple's single function iOS been able to suffice. Without a proper file system and other modern day features, only Apple could convince the gullibles to spend obscene amounts of money to buy a flat slab of aluminum with a display.

Apple's control and influence over their customers is legendary.
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No new MacBook Pro's, they get discontinued in favor of the iPad
Apple's greed... knows no limits.

The pure profit they enjoy on every single iPad they sell is immense.

MacBooks pale in comparison.

It's as simple as that!
 
Thats fine and your use case. But please don't ever get a job in marketing......it wouldn't last.....iPad Large? Yikes.
iPad plus?
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Wow, they're really trolling us now, aren't they?

All I want is a space gray rMBP with a decent graphics card. Is that too much to ask?
Yes, it is.
They will make a rose gold with integrated graphics
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MY brain is amused to see you thinking it's the end of the Mac computing era because a few extra months will go by before they do major updates to the product line.....much like people think a few rogue terrorist attacks means the country will be gone soon. But I digress. It has little to do with intuition rather than logic. Something you're clearly lacking in your entire argument of THE SKY IS FALLING MACS HAVENT BEEN UPDATED YET COMPUTERS ARE DEAD!!!!! WAHHHHHHHHHHH! Much like people thought Apple was ignoring the iPad 9.7 inch and then BAM. An iPad Pro 9.7.

Don't be daft, you know exactly what I'm talking about. It's bad enough to be stuck with the hardware choices of a single vendor where your options are either to get what's on shelf or complain on a forum. It's not like I'm expecting radical redesigns every 2 years, but at least for Apple to regularly improve the innards for the sake of relevance or moderate the price for the sake of value. Instead what do we have? Laptop components in an iMac that is supposed to be a desktop. A Mac Pro that hasn't been updated in years. MacBook Pros that are virtually unchanged in years. A Mac Mini that is so neutered you wonder why it even exists.

Suitable Skylake processors (i7-6920hq and E3-1535M V5) for example were announced back in Q3 last year and have been available to the industry but Apple still haven't released anything. And they're missing the back to school period -again. I’d also love to marry a new MacBook Pro with a 4K (or 5K) monitor. But the Apple monitors haven’t seen a refresh in over 5 years, and the Cinema Display is officially discontinued. Let's not go into the overall dumbing down of OS X (Siri! Yay! smh) and Pro app stalemate (Logic and Final Cut waiting to go the way of Aperture).

Encouraging this is not. And don't even go there with the iPad "Pro" 9.7 as an example. It's just a beefed up iPad Air 2 (announced Oct '14, not exactly a Sisyphean ordeal to wait until March '16 when the Pro was announced) with a new speaker grill and a sweeter display. Big. Effing. Deal.

Let's face it. Apple now engineers minimum effort products for the masses and Chinese fashionistas.
 
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I wonder if at this point Apple is gonna start selling OS X for PCs?
Not too long ago, I would have been appalled by this idea, but I'm increasingly in favour of it. Heck, I would even like Apple to allow Mac clones again…

Of course Apple is not abandoning Mac. Their invest in Metal is no1 evidence, that there's a great big beautiful tomorrow for Macs.
If anything, Metal is a sign of the opposite. It's clearly geared towards mobile GPUs, nowhere near of being capable of fully taking advantage of modern desktop GPUs' capabilities, and certainly no match for other current graphics APIs. I take Metal for Mac not as a evidence for a glorious future, but as means to get Mac users and developers accustomed to future crippled ARM based pseudo-Macs or even a complete switch to iOS based devices and hence the Mac's eventual demise.
 
you DO realize you can compose - professionally on an iPad right!? You don't need Logic Pro but you CAN use VST's. This has been readily available for little more than 2 years now. Oh and like someone else said ... where are you masterpieces.
May I ask how do you connect a keyboard (not smart keyboard, music keyboard) to your iPad?
 
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you DO realize you can compose - professionally on an iPad right!? You don't need Logic Pro but you CAN use VST's. This has been readily available for little more than 2 years now. Oh and like someone else said ... where are you masterpieces.
Soo.. you think music production only involves GarageBand and VSTs? Judging by your final question, you also presume that the proof of being a professional is in making 'hits'. I think this demonstrates how little you actually know, and have already answered part of your own question; professionals will own hundreds of VSTs - and use dozens of them in any project. That alone is not possible on the iPad. Furthermore, VSTs can gobble up lots of memory and CPU time when they are playing together. You cannot control GarageBand with a mouse/trackpad on iPad, which makes it effectively useless for precision editing. You cannot use flex time. And many, many other things.

Being a professional does not involve hitting a few buttons and waiting for a sound to record. The industry is large and filled with roles that many people will have never even considered, but that are all relevant to music production.

For example, a sound designer uses not only Logic Pro, but other properiatory software that allows him/her to conceive and execute ideas worthy for a production of any scale. They will liaise with other people and work from servers to keep their workflow up to date. They use large multiple monitors. They interface with mixing desks and audio interfaces for other hardware or instruments.

I suggest you rethink your initial comment. "Where are you masterpieces" makes you sound not only incredibly naive, but also sheltered.
 
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I don't know. I was hoping Apple had been experimenting with cool software/hardware tricks all along, and would blow us away with a surprise release -sometime. Then, happened the Watch. Beats. Music. The iPhone SE -a 4 year old design with last year's chipset. The iPad Pro with no Pro software or OS to go with it. Then the iPad Pro 9,7" -an iPad Air 2 shell with improved specs. Then iOS10, that’s basically iOS9, that’s basically iOS8, with a new lock screen and a bucketload of emojis (wow). Then MacOS, that’s OSX 10.11, that's OSX 10.10, but with Siri (really). Ah, and watchbands. Lots of watchbands. Peppered with rumors of a slapdash iPhone 7, no serious Mac product release in years, and egregiously touting the iPad as a computer replacement.

At this point, their sheer lack of effort is turning Apple into big tech's laughing stock (example). I would LOVE to be proven otherwise. :confused:
 
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Because it's still a touch computer. If you want a computer that relies heavily on the mouse/keyboard metaphor? They still make Macs.

What is a touch computer???
I need hardware level access for interface peripherals such as RS232 and IEEE-488 . I need file system access to save files and edit them. I need shell access to run scripts and compile basic code.

I am not married to a mouse/keyboard but if Apple wants to sell something as "desktop grade" it has better at least be close to what can be done on a desktop and so far iOS is nowhere close to a desktop grade OS.
 
Sigh. Is it just me or are these ads boring as hell?

The ads of the old days were fun, lifestyle - these are just as entertaining as a... can't even think of anything more boring.
Bring back the spark of excitement, Apple.
 
Instead of making pointless statements comparing wars to social media enabling devices, you would do better to compare the CAUSES of those wars to changes in society, particularly how imposing extreme sanctions on Germany after World War I lead to economic and sociological conditions that made it possible for a demagogue like Hitler to gain power in the first place. Ironically, therefore if WWI hadn't happened, WWII would not have happened as it did either. Today we have political causes of economical policies that are leading to ever-widening economic class changes and social media via the Internet largely driven by the invention of modern smart phone (of which Steve Jobs has a lot to do with) and oddly the conditions for potential demagogue with a mega-ego and delusions of god-hood to get into office in the USA has reached a historical point that one can hardly ignore on the news. In other words, the smart phone has made it ever easier for mentally imbalanced people to find each other, whether fringe political movements or even terrorists.

Newer technologies like self-driving cars will make society even more dependent on technology and have even less skills should something go wrong (e.g. Russia or China takes out the GPS satellites or even a strong solar flare) and suddenly people can't even travel down the street anymore, which will lead to CHAOS. But we don't consider any of those potential problems when we design this crap. We see it as a way to reduce traffic accidents and don't think about long term implications of continually dumbing down society and creating havoc should those services somehow fail in the future.

First of all, let me apologize. I did not mean to come harshly at you; I realize that I was too aggressive and that I sounded like a jerk. Please accept my apologies.

I still think that you're mistaken. World War I was hardly due to popular demand, and its causes can be traced to the powerful - yet problematic - Congress of Vienna, German expansionistic desire, and especially a lot of family issues between the European rulers, which were all related one another. I strongly suggest that you read Barbara Tuchman's "The guns of August," a truly wonderful book that explains what happened at the beginning of the war and the level of idiocy of the various rulers (the book won the Pulitzer price, and well deserved it). Another interesting book on the period right before WWI is "The Proud Tower" by the same author.
As for WWII, yes it's a direct consequence of what was forced on Germany after the peace Conference of Paris in 1919. You perfectly hit the nail in saying that the economic and sociological conditions made Hitler possible.
However I would hardly describe the Weimar Republic and the Rest of Europe in the WWI-to-WWII period as anything similar to today. I see two main difference:
1) Back then people were barely surviving. We are talking about an inflation so high that workers had to be paid at lunch so that wives could run buy food before it was too expensive. People were burning currency to light fire. Our problems today are Pokemon Go (in good scenarios), and finding a job (bad scenario). Of course we do have a serious poverty problem, and the divide between rich and poor is a chasm that has to be reduced. However, the large part of the Western World has no economical reason to go to war.
2) We live in a post Nuclear era, so from an administrative point of view we can't draw parallels to what was before. The war is different, and foreign policy (Diplomacy) is substantially different.

Obviously technology is posing challenges, and you're right that we could be led to chaos. But what groundbreaking invention doesn't do that? If you read some texts on urbanistics you will find that the industrial revolution era was truly crappy for 99% of the population. At the same time, in the long run, it allowed people to get better jobs, or to get jobs at all. The car is another example, airplanes another. I think that risks are embedded in revolutionary events.
Now, it all depends on how we react to those things in the long run. What scares me is that we are becoming incresingly interested in entertainment, and less interested in knowledge. We - including myself - tend to desire "less thinking," which would not be bad in itself we could translate it into more "efficient thinking". The only way to avoid chaos is education (I don't mean formal schooling only, but also self-improvement etc.)
 
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I don't believe the Mac will be phased-out, per se. It's like Jobs said, "There'll be hatchbacks and pick-up trucks. And over time, fewer people will need those trucks, but they'll always be around."

If Apple thought the Mac platform was dying or an unnecessary venture, then they wouldn't release annual updates. They wouldn't have redesigned the Mac Pro (regardless how old the current model is), released the 12" MacBook, or announced the new Apple File System. Cook himself was enthusiastic about the platform in one of the recent keynotes, saying "you see Macs everywhere now", and that they couldn't be happier.

Sure - when you look at the revenue, it's only a small slice of the cake, but the Mac is outpacing the PC market. There's simply never been a better opportunity to find more customers than today.

With regards to the current product line, the only head-scratchers are the MacBook Air and Pro, which are clearly being held back for a revision, so the wait is surely worthwhile. Arguably, the Mac Pro won't sell nearly enough units to justify annual upgrades. The iMacs on the other hand are the best computers that Apple has ever produced. The screens are unreal, and the performance is good enough for pretty much anyone. They're only let down by the HDDs.
 
Much like people thought Apple was ignoring the iPad 9.7 inch and then BAM. An iPad Pro 9.7.

Yes, but you could say Apple was ignoring the iPad 9.7 inch. It took them a year and a half to push out the update to the Air 2 and, unlike the older iPhone 6s, it's not even 100% compatible with all the features of iOS 10, such as raise to wake or 3D touch (which actually is an iOS 9 feature, just improved in 10). It also has the older Touch ID sensor. And those missing features in spite of a price hike.

It doesn't seem to me that Apple put a lot of thought into the iPad Pro 9.7. They basically took the Air2 body, tossed in pencil support of the bigger Pro and an A9 chip, jacked up the price and called it a day. That's not ignoring but pretty close to being a red headed stepchild.
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If Apple thought the Mac platform was dying or an unnecessary venture, then they wouldn't release annual updates. They wouldn't have redesigned the Mac Pro (regardless how old the current model is), released the 12" MacBook, or announced the new Apple File System. Cook himself was enthusiastic about the platform in one of the recent keynotes, saying "you see Macs everywhere now", and that they couldn't be happier.

Could say the same thing about iPods in 2010 when 50 million were sold and Apple was still selling, but not updating the iPod classic. 4 years later, no Classic and iPod sales in general plummeted 60%. Today you'd need a microscope to find them on Apple's P&L.

And don't take Cook at his word anymore than you could take Jobs'. When they talk it's not in future tense. Whatever they like or believe today doesn't mean they'll like or believe something else tomorrow. Of course TC sees Macs everywhere and sure that makes him happy. But lets look at the financial picture. Apple makes more revenue from subscription services now than Mac sales. Read that again and fully understand what a 180 that is from when the iTunes store was first launched.
 
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The windows tablet can run more of the things I need/want and offers a better UI for doing them.

A 50$ computer probably runs them pretty ****, though, right?

What is a touch computer???
I need hardware level access for interface peripherals such as RS232 and IEEE-488 . I need file system access to save files and edit them. I need shell access to run scripts and compile basic code.

I am not married to a mouse/keyboard but if Apple wants to sell something as "desktop grade" it has better at least be close to what can be done on a desktop and so far iOS is nowhere close to a desktop grade OS.

They sell the processor as desktop class, which it's more like "laptop class". They never said iOS was desktop class. As for what a touch computer is, it's something that has touch as the first interaction model. The iPad with a macOS would fail in the primary goal of a touch computer, which is being able to be used with touch only if wanted. And it doesn't sound like you need a tablet, it sounds like you should just get a desktop or a laptop and get on with it.
 
First of all, let me apologize. I did not mean to come harshly at you; I realize that I was too aggressive and that I sounded like a jerk. Please accept my apologies.

I still think that you're mistaken.

You're the one that said what I said was "populist". I did not claim WWI was a populist war nor did I even bring it up in my original post which was about how the iPhone has affected society today. I simply stated in reply to YOUR COMPARISON against what you seemed to consider a "real problem" in the past century that there are comparisons to be made, even if not perfect. Namely, WWI lead to the economic conditions that brought about WWII and that while people aren't "starving in the streets" today, social media makes it SEEM like everything is more negative and terrible than it really is. It amplifies things and thus makes mountains out of mole hills by comparison. We could not be in the election state we are in without social media and mainstream media having the modern capabilities it has through technology. The responses to a single shooting in some back water town would have been unheard of one hundred years ago. Every single crime is painted like it happened in your own backyard. Any social improvements we've made get obliterated by online hatred of one group versus another. We have police being ambushed and targeted that had nothing to do with events in other parts of the country. We have groups jumping to conclusions based on spotty smart phone video footage from bad angles and then blocking freeways in cities on the other side of the country in protest (that ticks off people trying to get to work, etc. that had NOTHING to do with what they're protesting) and they organize this on social media.

Thus, my point is that it is technology like the smart phone, Internet and social media that drive far more minor mole hill conditions compared to pre-WWII Germany into appearing to people like mountains. How else can one explain nearly 50% support for someone that has proven himself to be ego-centric to the point of mental illness when NOTHING the man says affects his ratings negatively? When he brags he could shoot someone on the streets of New York and his ratings wouldn't go down and it's probably true? No, what I'm saying is that Steve Jobs helped to create some bizarre reverse-1984 scenario in which the people lose their minds not because the government is trying to control them but because they simply BELIEVE the government is trying to control them and this is then echoed by talk radio, YouTube, Facebook, email, etc. etc. etc. to the point where even formerly sane people start to believe conspiracy theories. UFOs don't exist (that's crazy!), but the government is out to destroy your Constitutional Rights simply because someone on talk radio says so and his cronies email this 100 times a day to the entire country and then some.

This is turning into a political matter (by comparing World Wars and Germany's socio-political landscape) and I didn't want it to be that. I'm simply questioning the "value" of the modern smart phone to society and what society might be like if it hadn't come into being (at least not right away). How much more advanced would the Mac and OS X (macOS) be by now if Apple hadn't put most of their efforts into the iPhone and other iOS devices for the past 8+ years? How would people be spending their spare time if they had to get on a traditional desktop or notebook in order to check their Facebook page instead of being able to check it 24/7/365 by pulling a phone out of their pocket? The world would be a different place, IMO and I personally think more and more that it would be a BETTER place without these smart phones taken to the levels they have been taken. I grew up with computers from a Commodore Vic20 and NEVER until now have I truly grown to despise a type of "computer" the way I have smart phones. And it's not that the smart phones are "bad" it's that people are addicted to them through social media and its having negative effects on society from ignorance of actual computer functions to calculators to spending all their spare time doing things like Facebook instead of interacting with real people. It's killing pubs in Britain (something I happen to like there and which are starting to become endangered) and making it impossible to have the slightest amount of privacy in public (cameras everywhere all the time) and because of this level of social media, kids today have almost no interest in things like driving (something prior generations looked forward to as children and couldn't wait to do while today's kids would rather Uber or have the car drive them so they can Facebook some more....(sigh).

Maybe some of you enjoy the smart phone world, but I've been thinking more and more we would have been better off as a society without it.
 
You're the one that said what I said was "populist".

I think that in my second reply I apologized for being harsh in my comment, as I didn't really mean to attack you.

while people aren't "starving in the streets" today, social media makes it SEEM like everything is more negative and terrible than it really is.

While what you're saying is true to an extent, social media also bring a big bonus. People think that they're acting (and activists) just by posting on Facebook. Real action is now for people who are really committed. The rest? Post on Facebook. Social media brings an outlet to a lot of repressed people that would be damaging in the real-world.

It amplifies things and thus makes mountains out of mole hills by comparison.

This has always been true since the invention of newspapers, it's the mechanics of it that is different. We have a good advantage now, information overload. We're still in an early phase, but people are increasingly bored and worried about too much information that seems relevant. As of today most of us are not able to "filter" the information because we come from a world where a breaking news worthy of print (on any media) was somewhat important. We still use our old way of thinking that if it is reported somewhere and read by millions of people, then it's relevant. This is bound to change soon.

We have police being ambushed and targeted that had nothing to do with events in other parts of the country.

You might want to revisit the 60's, 70's and other times in history. People always found excuses to kill each other.

We have groups jumping to conclusions based on spotty smart phone video footage from bad angles and then blocking freeways in cities on the other side of the country in protest (that ticks off people trying to get to work, etc. that had NOTHING to do with what they're protesting) and they organize this on social media.

Again, this has always happened.

I'm simply questioning the "value" of the modern smart phone to society and what society might be like if it hadn't come into being (at least not right away).

And it is a great question, you're absolutely spot on in bringing it on. But you can't forget that we're in a transitional phase which will last several more years. We're living though the industrial revolution... times ten! At this moment we don't know exactly which values are the "good ones". The industrial revolution brought great things... but it also brought kids that worked 12 hours a day in a factory risking their well being. It took a while and a lot of pain to find the value of children education over factory work. We're living a similar period.

How would people be spending their spare time if they had to get on a traditional desktop or notebook in order to check their Facebook page instead of being able to check it 24/7/365 by pulling a phone out of their pocket?

How different would it be if Gutenberg never invented printing? We would dedicate a lot of time to do artistic work and read and copy books and papers. We would be able to assimilate more knowledge (and less information). But school would be limited, news would be limited, etc. There are two faces of the medal. Yes, we spend too much time on FB on our devices. But I can also find all the original papers and media (phone calls, press conferences etc.) of the period I am studying (The Nixon era, Kissinger, and the Vietnam War). I can find books that are almost impossible to find. I can go to college while I work, do my quiz at lunchtime. I can connect with fellow board-gamers, I can plan a trip and reserve rooms etc. in 1/5 of the time.

The world would be a different place, IMO and I personally think more and more that it would be a BETTER place without these smart phones taken to the levels they have been taken.

I agree that it's getting a little bit out of hand, but I trust that the trend will correct itself. I might be naive, I admit it.

I grew up with computers from a Commodore Vic20 and NEVER until now have I truly grown to despise a type of "computer" the way I have smart phones.

I just bought a Vic-20, I opened it the other day. It had a game and the tape recorder, original box, and cables. Amazing, it brought me back to my childhood.

And it's not that the smart phones are "bad" it's that people are addicted to them through social media and its having negative effects on society from ignorance of actual computer functions to calculators to spending all their spare time doing things like Facebook instead of interacting with real people.

Didn't your parents say the same thing when you were playing on your Vic-20? "you should get out more". Before, it was them and your grandparents with the TV.

It's killing pubs in Britain

On this I agree 100%, but it's a matter of basic education. As you don't read the paper while eating with others, you shouldn't check your FB. At my house, or at the restaurant, I strictly forbid my kids (and myself) to check our phones.

kids today have almost no interest in things like driving (something prior generations looked forward to as children and couldn't wait to do while today's kids would rather Uber or have the car drive them so they can Facebook some more....(sigh).

I honestly don't see this, but I am in Texas. Without a car you can't do anything here.

Maybe some of you enjoy the smart phone world, but I've been thinking more and more we would have been better off as a society without it.

I don't enjoy it. I enjoy parts of it, I despise other parts of it.
 
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No, they don't, if you use AutoLayout and storyboards with size classes, like Apple tells you, you don't.
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You just contradicted yourself and proved my point. If you have to use something specific for your app to use it, your app has to be written to support these. If your app didn't have to support them, then why don't all of them work???

Also, as a developer who has created iOS apps before... the Storyboards are a PITA for complex apps. Its just faster and easier to create your controllers/views programmatically a lot of the time.
 
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