Other Apple robbed my iPhone today

[maerz001]

So, “undisturbed possession” speaks to the physical possession of the goods. Nothing more.

Second, Apple makes no “extra promises” about performance. Quite the contrary if you read their TOS. They do not warrant the experience, or make extra promises.

Care to clarify how either of these apply to this situation?
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How’s it ridiculous? You may not like it, but if someone OWNS something, by definition, they have control over that thing. You agreed to this when you activated your phone with their OS. Go read your TOS.

Just because you don’t like how it’s being handled doesn’t mean you have a legal right to have it your way. You have the right to go buy something else. That’s it.

First they slow down which some people would call unusable. We will see where the class action lawsuits will go...

Second they promote their new iPhones being x-times faster than the old one. Which is only the case for the shipped iOS version.

Third they own the source code true, but they can not change it in that extend which makes a product unusable.

And this applies to all products. That's why it was right to punish VW for cheating with their motor control software. Which is also owned by VW and not the buyer of the car...

 

[jtuk]

Unnecessarily nasty responses to this post. It is annoying how the updates have become this nagging thing from Apple. I updated to iOS 11 and lost apps...Not nice. Now getting the daily nag for the latest update and can see how easily it goes into overnight update.
Apple products used to be the easiest, nicest ones but now one has to fear what happens with the next one.
No matter what peope say Apple has lost it. The awful design of X and bullying updates. It is harder and harder to remain loyal to this company.
Stuck with 7+ as nothing better on offer.

They’ve been fighting hard with nagging screens, and finally they managed to fool me and this time I pushed the accept button instead of the cancel one (I don’t know if they changed the left/right position of the buttons, but they fooled me).

Then, they didn’t ask for a confirmation. I got the button wrong and the iOS update started without asking for a confirmation. This turned my iPhone non-operational for about 20 minutes, which I consider an insult and a really dirty (really dirty, Apple) practice: Imagine I had to do an important call during those 20 minutes: Shouldn’t you ask me to confirm if I can afford to upgrade in this moment? What if I had to do a business call and I misinterpreted your dirty (excrement-dirty) nagging screen?

They robbed my iPhone. Now it’s iOS 11. Very valuable apps and games don’t work anymore (and they had important files on them)

Apple, what you did to me tonight falls in the phishing practices category: I’ve said NO dozens of times to the nagging screen. Finally you fooled me to click the button you wanted. My iPhone belongs to you. What do you want next. My car? My house? My bank account? What’s up with you Apple, why are you the dirtiest company on Earth today?

I was hoping for a 14inch MacBook or for the future modular Mac Pro, but I’m so upset that I think I’m not going to buy any other product from you anymore. This is not what I thought of you, Apple. Enough is enough.

 

[Vermifuge]

Perhaps that might be the case for Windows 10. I wouldn't know.

On older versions: Control Panel - Windows Update - Never check for updates. On I think Vista and 7, you might also need to go to Action Center to disable any nagging.

Granted, I run Professional, Business or Ultimate editions of Windows on my PCs. It's quite possible these might be options not available in the Standard or Home editions.

And unfortunately Microsoft hasn’t been supporting direct x on that platform. And although existing versions work the framework is becoming a bottleneck to modern graphics cards limiting potential.

 

[Bill91LX]

First they slow down which some people would call unusable. We will see where the class action lawsuits will go...

Second they promote their new iPhones being x-times faster than the old one. Which is only the case for the shipped iOS version.

Third they own the source code true, but they can not change it in that extend which makes a product unusable.

And this applies to all products. That's why it was right to punish VW for cheating with their motor control software. Which is also owned by VW and not the buyer of the car...

Who’s saying that the product is unusable?

 

[macTW]

Perhaps that might be the case for Windows 10. I wouldn't know.

On older versions: Control Panel - Windows Update - Never check for updates. On I think Vista and 7, you might also need to go to Action Center to disable any nagging.

Granted, I run Professional, Business or Ultimate editions of Windows on my PCs. It's quite possible these might be options not available in the Standard or Home editions.

I was able to do it on vista and older, but 7 and newer it doesn’t work. Even with fresh reinstalls and separate product keys, as other IT pros I show this to don’t understand it.

I blame bill gates

 

[rui no onna]

I was able to do it on vista and older, but 7 and newer it doesn’t work. Even with fresh reinstalls and separate product keys, as other IT pros I show this to don’t understand it.

I blame bill gates

We have 100 PCs at work running Windows 7 Professional all with automatic updates disabled. IT pushes scheduled updates by script.

All of my personal desktops and laptops also run Windows 7 (Professional or Ultimate) and have automatic updates disabled. I use WSUS Offline to update.

On Professional/Business editions and higher, if you can't find the setting via Control Panel, you can override via the Group Policy Editor (gpedit.msc).

 

[ftaok]

Who’s saying that the product is unusable?

If you've ever used a throttled iPhone6, then you'd likely say that it's unusable.

Keep in mind that this thread was started before anyone (outside of Apple) knew about the throttling issue. Folks who had updated, either intentionally or accidentally, saw their previously OK iPhones under iOS10 turn into virtual garbage under iOS11. Without a way to roll back the update, we were upset.

It's obvious now that some folks were affected and others were not. Folks with compromised batteries were upset. Folks with OK batteries couldn't understand what the big deal was, after all, you would expect to get a little bit of slowdown when upgrading a whole iOS version.

So when folks with compromised batteries were updated accidentally due to clicking the wrong button on a pop-up that occurred daily, even though they have the auto-update setting in iOS turned off, they were pissed. Anyone would be upset if they got snookered like that and their phone instantly became garbage.

So let's have a little bit of perspective on this issue. If your phone has a good battery, then good for you. I'm happy you don't/didn't have to deal with a slow phone. But don't discount the experience that others have had with their throttled phones. It was a real problem and still is a problem today. But yeah, there is a solution, albeit a temporary one, at least until Apple removes the code that throttles phones with compromised batteries.

 

[Bill91LX]

If you've ever used a throttled iPhone6, then you'd likely say that it's unusable.

Keep in mind that this thread was started before anyone (outside of Apple) knew about the throttling issue. Folks who had updated, either intentionally or accidentally, saw their previously OK iPhones under iOS10 turn into virtual garbage under iOS11. Without a way to roll back the update, we were upset.

It's obvious now that some folks were affected and others were not. Folks with compromised batteries were upset. Folks with OK batteries couldn't understand what the big deal was, after all, you would expect to get a little bit of slowdown when upgrading a whole iOS version.

So when folks with compromised batteries were updated accidentally due to clicking the wrong button on a pop-up that occurred daily, even though they have the auto-update setting in iOS turned off, they were pissed. Anyone would be upset if they got snookered like that and their phone instantly became garbage.

So let's have a little bit of perspective on this issue. If your phone has a good battery, then good for you. I'm happy you don't/didn't have to deal with a slow phone. But don't discount the experience that others have had with their throttled phones. It was a real problem and still is a problem today. But yeah, there is a solution, albeit a temporary one, at least until Apple removes the code that throttles phones with compromised batteries.

That’s all fine, but there’s very little evidence that it was this throttling that caused the slow down and not something else. There have been many instances of phones slowing down for reasons other than throttling.

I’m just saying that there is little to no proof what this throttling means to anything in the real world - outside of a geekbench score.

Are some phone slower than others? Sure. Is it because they were throttled? Maybe. But let’s have some AB testing.

Go find me evidence of a phone that was throttled by way of a geek bench score. Show how that score reduction actually impacted the usability of the phone. Apps opened how much slower? What didn’t work that previously did? Then, go get a new battery and show how these examples were resolved. That would go a looooong way to people taking this more seriously.

Seems to me me that people are using this throttling issue as a catch all for every phone problem they’ve ever had. Phone seems slow? Must be evil Apple throttling it. Could be lots of reasons other than a different geek bench score that’s causing the problem.

And I agree - let’s have a little bit of perspective on this issue. Many are reacting like it’s the worst thing that’s ever happened. Tough to take those people seriously.

 

[ftaok]

That’s all fine, but there’s very little evidence that it was this throttling that caused the slow down and not something else. There have been many instances of phones slowing down for reasons other than throttling.

I’m just saying that there is little to no proof what this throttling means to anything in the real world - outside of a geekbench score.

Are some phone slower than others? Sure. Is it because they were throttled? Maybe. But let’s have some AB testing.

Go find me evidence of a phone that was throttled by way of a geek bench score. Show how that score reduction actually impacted the usability of the phone. Apps opened how much slower? What didn’t work that previously did? Then, go get a new battery and show how these examples were resolved. That would go a looooong way to people taking this more seriously.

Seems to me me that people are using this throttling issue as a catch all for every phone problem they’ve ever had. Phone seems slow? Must be evil Apple throttling it. Could be lots of reasons other than a different geek bench score that’s causing the problem.

And I agree - let’s have a little bit of perspective on this issue. Many are reacting like it’s the worst thing that’s ever happened. Tough to take those people seriously.

Are you kidding me?

Ok. I'll bite.

I have an iphone6. Before swapping my battery, performance on ios11 was atrocious. Apps took at least 5 seconds to load. The keyboard would take at least 3 second to load. Camera app, that's another 6 to 8 seconds.

You could say, "yeah but the phone still worked." In the literal definition, yes the phone worked. But no one could say that it worked at any reasonable speed.

Case in point, Apple pay would take at least 5 seconds to pop up when held above the nfc reader. Much faster to pull out my credit card at that rate.

Ok here's some specifics. I ran geekbench on my compromised battery. I got scores ranging from 800-1000 compared to an unthrottled 1600. Multi core test was about the same 40-50% throttling.

As soon as I changed the battery (3rd party), performance returned. Apps load within a second. Keyboard loads quickly. Camera takes about 2 seconds. Much more usable, not as good as ios10, but that's to be expected.

Geekbench scores with the new battery is in the 2600 range.

Is that enough evidence? I don't have any videos showing how slowly the phone ran while throttled, so you'll have to take my word for it.

The impact from throttling is real.