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Haha! As if the U.K. government will care about people’s phones not being as fast as they want.
They’ve got far bigger things to deal with than an iPhone conspiracy.
And anyway, what jurisdiction do they have over an American company?

Lmao :D
Tell me about it.
The U.K. Parliament will do absolutely nothing, pretty much the same thing they been doing for many years now for their citizens.
 
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When you delete the update once, apple are totally in the wrong to auto download again and again and again....

I used to look forward to updates years ago but overtime I realised it often slowed the device down, or caused battery drain.

The forced updates / slowdowns, lack of 24 month Warranty and £1000 price tag is why I switched to Android after being loyal to iPhone for 10 years. So I'm 100% with OP here and have been caught out myself before years ago.

Apple should remember the U2 Sounds of Innocence album they forced on 500M users. Folks didn't like it, apple provided a way to stop album appearing, Bono apologised.
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ic-songs-of-innocence-album-download.1801022/

On a separate but valid note, my broadband has a 100GB data cap per month.
I have to keep half an eye on data usage.
Apple are using up my monthly quota without my permission....on my 'iPhone touch' automatically downloading a large iOS file.
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There is a petition started for ios10. More than 300 thousand signers.

So probably u got an individual software version running as good as new...

For all the others:

Here's the petition to make iPhones last longer, because Apple has been sabotaging devices for years with software "upgrades" that slow every device except the very latest model.

It's a strategy called planned obsolescence, and its one of the ways that Apple and other gadget makers are getting so filthy rich while the planet and everyone else pays.

Will you take a look and sign the petition too:
https://actions.sumofus.org/a/plann...ref=360614740.99.166344.e.524934.2&source=mlt
isn't this the site for petitions (100k signed and then debated in Parliament):
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions?state=all
 
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Haha! As if the U.K. government will care about people’s phones not being as fast as they want.
They’ve got far bigger things to deal with than an iPhone conspiracy.
And anyway, what jurisdiction do they have over an American company?
U guys just hang too much on the phrase "planned obsolescence" and call it conspiracy.

That a slow user interface is a pain in the ass to use is hopefully our consensus. If Apple is developing the software and tests it on older devices but accepting the shortcomings and releases this, than its planned. Call it what ever u like. At least it's bad business practice.

I'm looking for a solution to stop forcing customers in slower iOS upgrades. I just showed up a way what's possible. If u now a better way please feel free to share. Just accepting and buying new phones isn't one.

Regarding jurisdiction. Of course every country has the right. Just for an example as the EU forced Microsoft to let customers choose the web browser instead of IE a few years ago...

That they have bigger problems with Brexit is sad
 
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You know, the only way to hold Apple accountable for what they did to older devices is to NOT give them our business.

The fact that we did makes everything else a moot point.
It's not the only way. Otherwise VW wouldn't pay $15 billions to the US for the diesel gate.
 
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Technically you NEVER owned the OS on your device, the belong to apple...

Oh, sure, a nagging screen twice a week (yes, recently it rose to twice a week) in which a mistake doesn’t ask for a confirmation is not robbing. And how on Earth is not robbing if they stole iOS10 without my consent, and they would kept trying forever until I upgrade?
 
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Apple owns the software, you licence it. They can't rob you of what they own and are essentially loaning you.

Ironic. If you think about it most people don’t own their phones either. Most make monthly payments until a new phone comes out and then start the cycle all over again. If we choose to use Apple products I guess they really do own us.
 
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The hardware doesn't get any slower but it increasingly struggles to run weightier software. That "study" was roundly mocked first time around, and rightly so.
I can't believe this but I actually agreed with you on something aka this post.
 
Ironic. If you think about it most people don’t own their phones either. Most make monthly payments until a new phone comes out and then start the cycle all over again. If we choose to use Apple products I guess they really do own us.

I bought my 10 outright from Apple, but am so entrenched in the Apple ecosystem that they may as well stamp their logo on my forehead.
 
Look, we KNOW Apple can make their built-in apps load in ONE second on an iPhone 6 or iPad Mini 4, they've done it before. Their built-in apps shouldn't change that much to make an iPhone 6 take 4-20 seconds to load them in iOS 11. Period.

Let ignore 3rd party apps for now. Apple is in control of their OS and it's built-in apps, and they get sloppy when it comes to anything more than 2 years old. They should be held accountable. Just making the apps load as fast as before makes the phone more responsive and therefore useable and extends it's life, even if it still takes a long time for Numbers to sort a database or iMovie to compile a video.

An iPhone 6 on iOS 10.3.3 was responsive and useable one day, and toast the next, by virtue of an OS update. They somehow managed to make an iPhone 6 GUI launch apps at a decent pace in iOS 10, TWO years after they launched the phone, but in iOS 11 the GUI on my iPhone 6 runs as slow as my iPhone 4s that's stuck on iOS 9.

That iPhone 4s was great on iOS 8 and likewise iOS 9 killed it. Now, iOS 11 killed my 6, and made my Mini 4 much less fun to use. And 7 8 9 for dinner (joke).
I've traded in my 6 ($650 iP7 credit promo last year). Is performance on iOS 11 really as bad as that? I recently updated a 5s to iOS 11 and that's working surprisingly decently. I remember the 4S being much more frustrating on iOS 8/9 compared to 5s on iOS 11.
 
I've traded in my 6 ($650 iP7 credit promo last year). Is performance on iOS 11 really as bad as that? I recently updated a 5s to iOS 11 and that's working surprisingly decently. I remember the 4S being much more frustrating on iOS 8/9 compared to 5s on iOS 11.

On my 6, if the Apps are closed it really takes that long to open them. I have to leave the apps running to be able to switch between apps more quickly. But after running a few large apps the others get pushed out of memory and take longer to load again.

I have 4 four years of iMessages with my daughter on this phone that I lost on my other iPhone, so I'm afraid to wipe and start it over as new. I did restore it in iTunes though; which wiped it, updated the iOS, and then restored the backup. That didn't help.
 
On my 6, if the Apps are closed it really takes that long to open them. I have to leave the apps running to be able to switch between apps more quickly. But after running a few large apps the others get pushed out of memory and take longer to load again.

I have 4 four years of iMessages with my daughter on this phone that I lost on my other iPhone, so I'm afraid to wipe and start it over as new. I did restore it in iTunes though; which wiped it, updated the iOS, and then restored the backup. That didn't help.
Ahh, not an issue for me, then. I don't really use large apps on my phone and rarely keep apps running in the background. I actually force close apps intentionally so there's more memory available for Safari tabs.
 
Ahh, not an issue for me, then. I don't really use large apps on my phone and rarely keep apps running in the background. I actually force close apps intentionally so there's more memory available for Safari tabs.

After the iOS 11 update on my 6, if I force the apps to close they take forever to load the next time I need them.

I was very happy with 10.3.3 on my 6. My iPad Mini 4 slowed down a little after iOS 11 when loading apps, but nothing as bad as this (As noted above iPhone 6 takes 4-8 seconds to load most built-in apps, and 19-22 seconds for Safari if I had a tab open the last time I used it).

My iPhone 7+ and X load most apps in 1 second, 2-3 at the most with Safari if I had a tab open when I forced closed the app, since it must reload the page.
 
After the iOS 11 update on my 6, if I force the apps to close they take forever to load the next time I need them.

I was very happy with 10.3.3 on my 6. My iPad Mini 4 slowed down a little after iOS 11 when loading apps, but nothing as bad as this (As noted above iPhone 6 takes 4-8 seconds to load most built-in apps, and 19-22 seconds for Safari if I had a tab open the last time I used it).

My iPhone 7+ and X load most apps in 1 second, 2-3 at the most with Safari if I had a tab open when I forced closed the app, since it must reload the page.
Huh, that seems like unusual behavior. App loading should primarily be a function of storage and CPU so it's weird that you're having that problem when my 5s isn't running that badly.
 
Huh, that seems like unusual behavior. App loading should primarily be a function of storage and CPU so it's weird that you're having that problem when my 5s isn't running that badly.

I had to swap my mint condition 6 with my daughter who kept breaking hers (which is now mine). So I wonder if this running slow has anything to do with Batteries+Bulbs having replaced the screen, the speaker, the microphone, and circuit board on the bottom - which then left it with a problem with touch ID that they then had to fix.

Once that was all done in June and July it worked fine with iOS 10.3.3 and I did the iOS 11 update via iTunes (after closing all apps and resetting the iPhone first). Ever since I got to pick out the case she's currently using, and put a tempered glass screen protector on it, she has gone a record 4 months without breaking my other iPhone 6.

Right now I'm using an X and a 7+ (the X replaced the 6), so the 6 is merely being used as a SIM-less iPod Touch. I'm considering putting it in DFU mode and installing iOS 11.2 and setting it up as new, to see if that fixes it, but I'll lose 7 years of iMessages between myself and my daughter (between 2010 > July 2017) that are only on the iPhone 6 backup.
 
The confirmation was when you hit the accept button. Do we need 7 step confirmations now days for people that don't pay attention?
 
The confirmation was when you hit the accept button. Do we need 7 step confirmations now days for people that don't pay attention?
Sometimes, you get what looks like a lock screen asking for PIN. If you enter your PIN by mistake (thinking you're just unlocking the device because the warning regarding the update is in small print of course), iOS will automatically update at the scheduled time without asking for additional confirmation. That's how my mom accidentally updated her devices. Thankfully, her phone is powerful enough (iPhone SE A9) that performance is still excellent.

Mind, her iPad (A9X) is still on iOS 10.3.3. I expect she'll be annoyed by some of the iPad UI changes on iOS 11 (e.g. new dock) whenever she gets tricked into updating.
 
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I have had iphones since 2012, the 4, 5, 6 and now 7. Not once in all those days and hours of owning an iphone have they "snuck" an update on me. You have to actively tell the phone to update.
 
I have had iphones since 2012, the 4, 5, 6 and now 7. Not once in all those days and hours of owning an iphone have they "snuck" an update on me. You have to actively tell the phone to update.
I've had iPhones since 2007. Up to iOS 6, there was absolutely no nagging to update. Iirc, OTA updates weren't available until iOS 5 or 6.

The recent versions, they do. You probably just update early enough before the nagging could become frequent. Much like automatic iCloud backups, Apple has progressively made iOS updates into a relatively passive background task intended to run during the wee hours while the device is charging and not in use.

I have an iPad Air 16GB that I keep on iOS 9.3.5. In order to avoid accidental iOS updates, I only leave less than 1GB free space on the device so it's unable to even download the update.

I reckon there are plenty of folks who would accidentally enter their PIN on that left screen without realizing it would update their iPhone/iPad without any further confirmation.

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Sometimes, you get what looks like a lock screen asking for PIN. If you enter your PIN by mistake (thinking you're just unlocking the device because the warning regarding the update is in small print of course), iOS will automatically update at the scheduled time without asking for additional confirmation. That's how my mom accidentally updated her devices. Thankfully, her phone is powerful enough (iPhone SE A9) that performance is still excellent.

Mind, her iPad (A9X) is still on iOS 10.3.3. I expect she'll be annoyed by some of the iPad UI changes on iOS 11 (e.g. new dock) whenever she gets tricked into updating.

You didn't quite say so, but if you were saying that that update screen is misleading, I agree with you, and expect that many people unintentionally accept an update that way.

When I see that screen, the first thing I do after touching 'later' is go to Settings>About>Manage Storage and delete the update. It's like leaving a loaded gun in the kitchen.
 
I pushed the accept button instead of the cancel one...

Apple, what you did to me tonight falls in the phishing practices category.

Uhm... what?

YOU pressed the button. You were careless. Accept it.

Or, you know... force restart the phone while it prepares the update. :p
 
Funny to read this post again. I'm wondering if some of the pro Apple team now changed their mind.

Not I. I’m thrilled Apple still supports an iPhone with software enhancements and security improvements that is now 3 years old. You can’t say that about options for most other manufacturers.

We all know battery technology has been stagnant for decades... Apple nor any other company can change chemistry.

In the aftermath it’s become quite clear that without these limitations an iPhone would appear faulty by crashing or shutting down unexpectedly. A new battery will fix this slowing down and Apple is now doing so for $30. Did anyone believe a battery is good forever? We have had mobile phones for 30+ years now. I think everyone knows you need a new one after ~2 years.

Should Apple have been more transparent? It would have been nice. But, I’m sure it wouldn’t have prevented the vocal minority from finding something else to complain about.
 
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