But my iPhone 5s is much slower than it was when it came out with iOS 7 or 8. I'm just saying that it didn't become unusable with iOS 10.
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But my iPhone 5s is much slower than it was when it came out with iOS 7 or 8. I'm just saying that it didn't become unusable with iOS 10.
I don't know, I've even restored it from iTunes, and replaced the battery last summer.
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It was snappy and responsive when I bought it, and would still launch the apps I mentioned above just as fast as new if I was still on the older iOS that it came with. Deny that.
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Software updates also screw things up. A minor Windows update broke Wi-Fi on my tablet. Windows anniversary update wreaked havoc on my Mac Pro. Windows Creative update corrupted critical DLLs. OS X updates have had similar problems, so Apple isn't perfect either.
If desktop OS updates are off-topic, fine, there have also been front page stories about iOS updates with reports of breaking Wi-Fi, breaking phone calling, endless update loops, and nearly bricking phones. Certain bad updates were so widespread that they were removed/recalled to be fixed.
So now that companies seem to be treating us as beta testers, I don't think it is somehow unreasonable to want to wait a while, especially those of us for whom our devices are mission critical.
That's been the case since the iPhone OS update was released. Alas, there's really only so much software bloat that older chipsets (some of which have 1/4th - 1/8th the processing power of the latest models) can cope with. The unfortunate thing is the constant nagging to upgrade and no option to downgrade. Didn't have that nagging prior to iOS 7.
iPhone 5s
1136*640 = 727,040
iPhone 6
1334*750 = 1,000,500
iPhone 6 Plus
1920*1080 = 2,073,600
iPad mini 4
2048*1536 = 3,145,728
Aside from the 3rd core, the A8X (Air 2) also has a significantly beefier GPU compared to the regular A8.
In sience there are two different ways of proofing.
U seem not to understand what empire is.
I was talking about the empirical proof also known as empirical evidence
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empirical_evidence
And even going just down the evidence aspect of it, the correlation and causation part would still apply.
Feel free to explain the causation of slow downs than if it's not iOS updates. But the slowdown is empirical proofed
Not quite the causation that it's in reference to--the causation that it's an ongoing malicious conspiracy that's behind it all.
Obsolescence in technology happens whether i is planned or not. The 5s is 4 years old and my iPhone 6 is 3 years old. Yes it seems like they should work well for longer than that, but smartphones are still developing quickly. Smartphone manufacturers are constantly looking for ways to push the technology to do more, so they release new devices with faster and more powerful hardware. They use that newer hardware to drive new features and slicker animations in the new OS. Yes Apple can, and does, make some decisions in favor of maintaining compatibility and reasonable performance on older devices. They even give us ways to disable some of the motion and transparency features that can slow down older devices, but that will only help so much. It would be nice if Apple would let us choose to stay on the previous iOS (or even two versions back) and still get security updates. The irony is that the iPad 3 with the 30-pin connector that my kids use is stuck on iOS9, but that's a good thing. It runs iOS 9 better than my iPhone 6 runs iOS 11.
Third party app developers are not always as concerned about old hardware. I've been upgrading iPhones since the 3G, and it seems like it's the third party app updates that make it feel slower rather than the iOS updates. I think iOS 10 was the first update that made my iPhone 6 feel slower, and that was even before updating apps. Maybe your 5s runs faster because it has fewer third party apps allowed to run in the background? There are a lot of reasons why a device can run poorly.
Personally I'm not a subscriber to the planned obsolescence idea. An intentional effort to sabotage older devices would be a huge risk for a company like Apple. Most of the time it comes down to developers being pressured to focus on delivering new impressive features by a certain deadline. Even if maintaining compatibility with older products is a mandate, they have to balance that with demands to deliver the next smartphone of the future. Time gets short. Corners get cut. Testing gets less thorough. Old devices are the ones most likely to feel the impact of rushed programming. That's why performance sometimes improves with the smaller updates. Developers are going back and tweaking the things they didn't get to before the deadline.
That's been the case since the iPhone OS update was released. Alas, there's really only so much software bloat that older chipsets (some of which have 1/4th - 1/8th the processing power of the latest models) can cope with. The unfortunate thing is the constant nagging to upgrade and no option to downgrade. Didn't have that nagging prior to iOS 7.
iPhone 5s
1136*640 = 727,040
iPhone 6
1334*750 = 1,000,500
iPhone 6 Plus
1920*1080 = 2,073,600
iPad mini 4
2048*1536 = 3,145,728
Aside from the 3rd core, the A8X (Air 2) also has a significantly beefier GPU compared to the regular A8.
I say this every time but it seems logic/common sense are thin on the ground. The mobile world, and Apple and their A* chips especially, do not resemble the situation with PC and Mac, where Intel barely move the needle year over year. These things are basically twice as fast every year and, the OS grows in complexity (and, if I'm honest, is not quite as optimized for any unit, new or old, as I think it ought to be. That's opinion though) and features and it basically leaves the following choices: -
- Don't update old devices at all. They will become insecure, they will become incompatible with software written on new APIs
- Update old devices, knowing they will be slower than they started out but are secure and can access some/most of the latest software.
Whichever way they go, there will be a vocal response from some.
That would be the fault of the app, not Apple. iOS might be using a bit more ram, but once an app is loaded performance shouldn't be impacted.
The hardware doesn't get any slower but it increasingly struggles to run weightier software. That "study" was roundly mocked first time around, and rightly so.
What????
See my previous post from Arstechnica. They measured stock Apple apps: All of them have 30-50% longer load times with iOS 11 compared to 10.
E.g. the boot time is 12sec longer...
If you upgrade from iOS 10 to 11, have the same set of apps but the system runs slower overall then it's iOS to blame. That's life. It's the price of progress.
So yes, the Apps may mot run as fast and with good reason. Software / Os becomes more complicated and uses more RAM. What's not happening is Apple slowing down the hardware in order to force someone to upgrade. Does my iPhone 6 feel slow? Certainly. Once I get an app running is not a problem. Swiping between apps is nightmarish. But i'm not blaming Apple
That's exactly why we want an option to disable the upgrade. Who else is to blame when not Apple who force us into this???
If it's really so demanding to load all these fancy new emojis than I at least want to opt out.
It's a placebo. Apps often get updated along with the OS. Those apps are growing is size and memory profile.
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They only get updated when its selected in settings. But not so for iOS.
Never change a running system
Look, we KNOW Apple can make their built-in apps load in ONE second on an iPhone 6 or iPad Mini 4, they've done it before. Their built-in apps shouldn't change that much to make an iPhone 6 take 4-20 seconds to load them in iOS 11. Period.
Let ignore 3rd party apps for now. Apple is in control of their OS and it's built-in apps, and they get sloppy when it comes to anything more than 2 years old. They should be held accountable. Just making the apps load as fast as before makes the phone more responsive and therefore useable and extends it's life, even if it still takes a long time for Numbers to sort a database or iMovie to compile a video.
An iPhone 6 on iOS 10.3.3 was responsive and useable one day, and toast the next, by virtue of an OS update. They somehow managed to make an iPhone 6 GUI launch apps at a decent pace in iOS 10, TWO years after they launched the phone, but in iOS 11 the GUI on my iPhone 6 runs as slow as my iPhone 4s that's stuck on iOS 9.
That iPhone 4s was great on iOS 8 and likewise iOS 9 killed it. Now, iOS 11 killed my 6, and made my Mini 4 much less fun to use. And 7 8 9 for dinner (joke).
Let ignore 3rd party apps for now. Apple is in control of their OS and it's built-in apps, and they get sloppy when it comes to anything more than 2 years old. They should be held accountable. Just making the apps load as fast as before makes the phone more responsive and therefore useable and extends it's life, even if it still takes a long time for Numbers to sort a database or iMovie to compile a video.
An iPhone 6 on iOS 10.3.3 was responsive and useable one day, and toast the next, by virtue of an OS update. They somehow managed to make an iPhone 6 GUI launch apps at a decent pace in iOS 10, TWO years after they launched the phone, but in iOS 11 the GUI on my iPhone 6 runs as slow as my iPhone 4s that's stuck on iOS 9.
That iPhone 4s was great on iOS 8 and likewise iOS 9 killed it. Now, iOS 11 killed my 6, and made my Mini 4 much less fun to use. And 7 8 9 for dinner (joke).
You know, the only way to hold Apple accountable for what they did to older devices is to NOT give them our business.
The fact that we did makes everything else a moot point.
Haha! As if the U.K. government will care about people’s phones not being as fast as they want.Sure every iPhone user knows about the petition
don't put yourself in this ignorant corner.
In the U.K. at least if a petition gets 100,000 signatures, it will be considered for debate in Parliament.
They’ve got far bigger things to deal with than an iPhone conspiracy.
And anyway, what jurisdiction do they have over an American company?