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The best thing you can do is contact the developers of those apps and see if they’ll update them. Outside of that be sure to always backup important data. No phone or os lives forever XP has shown us that. Please be careful with your data and best of luck
 
My wife is using an iPhone 7 10.3.3 and it works very stable. Sometimes upgrade dialog pops out and she asks me if she should upgrade her phone. I talk to her "you never upgrade it until I say you do". :D
 
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The OP is upset but I certainly see his point. Apple is refusing to take no for an answer and this behavior is offensive. At best it is arrogant, at worst, abusive.

There are VERY good reasons to delay adopting new iOS software. It tends to be bug ridden junk. I tend to wait a few months before upgrading. Frankly, the OP has every right to delay updating for any reason or no reason at all. It is HIS phone.

What Apple is stealing is his bandwidth (pushing an undesired update - and doing it again if you remove it). They are also stealing his time and peace of mind by constantly FORCING him to deal with a question he has already answered.

I stand with the OP.
 
This quote is not from Apple, but, however it includes one of the reasons why I switched to Apple in the "golden" days of Microsoft. Yes, you can argue that privacy was not a big concern in those years, but when you moved from Microsoft to Apple, it was a big step in the direction of being in control of your computer: with Microsoft, by using your computer you felt like if you were working for Microsoft rather than for yourself; with the Mac, you were actually working for yourself. In other words: with Microsoft, you had to respect Microsoft. With Apple, it's Apple who respected you and your work.

The quote is from https://puri.sm . Of course you can take your crystal ball (together with your love for Apple telling you what you have to do --and trusting they'll be good boys with your private data you're making available to them everyday)... and with your crystal ball + Apple-servant-joy, you can laugh at Purism saying how they will fail, that other people tried before and failed, and that Linux has no apps, blah, blah, blah,... and you can laugh in the way you wish, but there's one thing you can't silence: The group of people who is fed up with devices that tell them what, when and how to do things, is bigger and bigger with the time, at least as big as to crowdfund two laptops and a $2M amount for a phone.

In my first post in the thread (which you called a joke, childish, from a newbie, hyperbolic, blah, blah, blah), I said that enough is enough. It wasn't a matter of a quick shout done in a bad day, but a progressive change in Apple's attitude, that I cannot tolerate as a customer. Losing iOS 10 is not bad enough for saying enough is enough (iOS 10 is worse than older iOS versions). What really made me affirm that Apple is no longer on my side but against me, is that Apple decided that I had to answer a nagging screen twice a week, and that I could only choose two options: keep answering that nagging screen forever twice a week, for all the weeks in the rest of my life. Or accept to update. I had chosen the former, but I was in the subway, and in a hurry of opening an app, so in the middle of the hurry I pressed the wrong button (and please, don't tell me about the watchTV profile: that's an unsupported hack that Apple can disable when they want; the same goes for deleting the update: it continues to be downloaded again, forever and ever).

I could look for workarounds (selling the iPhone, etc...), but... I see this event as the clear confirmation that, from now on, Apple is not going to be on my side anymore, but telling me what to do, when, exactly how to do it, and nagging if I'm not willing to obey. Not only that, but also they'll continue pushing me to upload my files and my data to their servers (iCloud, or whatever comes next).

  • Should I trust how they'll use my data when they don't even respect my choice of not updating as a permanent and final decision taking on my own?
  • Should I trust how they'll use my data when they don't even ask for a confirmation for an OS update that is going to make your phone non-operational for 20 minutes? (I had to call my family, not urgent, but I had to delay my family call for 20 minutes just because Apple managed to fool me this time)
  • Should I trust how they'll use my data when they are always trying to push me in the direction they want?

It's clear I could sell the iPhone and get an iOS 10 (or older) one, but that's not going to change the root of these questionable (to say the least) practices from Apple. I cannot tolerate these practices, so enough is enough.

And, those of you suggesting Android... you are indeed joking, aren't you?

If you ask me what will be my next OS and my next mobile devices, I cannot answer at this time, because, as you said, the main options in mobile are either iOS or Android, and I'm very used to the power of MacOS. If Purism succeeds, it could very well be my future brand. Their motto (the beginning quote at the top of this message) defines exactly how I want my devices to be nowadays. If they don't succeed, I'll keep looking, because if there's interest enough of raising $2M for a phone, there must be alternatives sooner or later.

I agree the iOS update nagging is excessive and it should stop. It sucks that you clicked wrong.

I have the latest iOS 11 on my iPhone 7+ and iPhone X and I love it, but the iOS 11 update made my 128GB iPad mini 4 sluggish and difficult to efficiently to use when it lags so badly while opening apps. It's not nearly as snappy and responsive like it used to be.

My iPhone 6 128GB on the other hand was hosed by iOS 11.x.x and the guys at the Apple Store were stunned when I showed it to them as I picked up my iPhone X. They swore it should not take 8-10 seconds to load "Settings" and that I should wipe it and start it as a new phone. I'm only using it as an iPod now, and want all my stuff on it in case of emergency as a backup phone, so I won't do that. But I had already wiped and restored from my 7+ backup, with no improvement.

So, I warned my wife to keep her iPad mini 4 on iOS 10.3.3 and wish I hadn't upgraded mine (her 256GB iPhone 7 runs iOS 11 just fine). I'm terrified that she'll accidentally do the update, as she's done that in the past, and SHE WILL BE PISSED the first time she tries to use it afterwards.

I'm so embedded in the Apple ecosystem with iCloud syncing between all my devices (and thousands and thousands invested in Apple DRM videos) that I'd buy an iPad mini 5 just to use iOS 11 if they updated the mini. The iPad Air and Pro are too big for my needs, and I have an Air 2 that is a little faster than the mini 4 but I can't use one that big.

So, I previously was using a 7+ as my primary and the 6 on another line, but spent most of my time on the mini 4. But now I'm using the X as my primary and the 7+ on my other line with it having to act like a nano iPad for me, ever since the mini 4 was updated.

Using the older supported devices on iOS 11 shouldn't make their app launching so slow, and Apple could fix this, but they won't. They aren't financially motivated to do so, and we're too committed to the Apple way of doing things (apps, data, syncing, iTunes DRM) that we can't leave.
 
How is 90% of what's on the forums about Apple being perfect when the vast majority are complaints and rants (as is often the case when it comes to forums)?

In every one of those threads that is a complaint, someone is going to respond saying everything is perfect.
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Click on a link to a profile, accept the profile, and basically done?

Software Update
iOS 11 is ready for install.
[Install now] [Later] [Never]

See how much easier it can be?
 
the iOS 11 update made my 128GB iPad mini 4 sluggish and difficult to efficiently to use when it lags so badly while opening apps. It's not nearly as snappy and responsive like it used to be.

Really? The iPad mini 4 should be about the same as an iPad Air 2... I’m about to update an iPad Air (1st Gen)...
 
Really? The iPad mini 4 should be about the same as an iPad Air 2... I’m about to update an iPad Air (1st Gen)...

It's the Air 2's A8x that is a little faster than the A8, I think. Maybe more RAM too, I don't know? It slowed down some, but not as much as the iPad mini 4, which is still much faster than my iPhone 6 that became unusable.

But the Air 2 won't fit in my cargo pants or my winter jackets like the Mini 4.
 
...They robbed my iPhone. Now it’s iOS 11. Very valuable apps and games don’t work anymore (and they had important files on them)

Curious as to what valuable apps/games don't work anymore? If they are valuable to anyone else, the developer should have fix in the mill ASAP, but if you don't check for updates to apps, they won't get updated. I have an app I use all the time for my Samsung Gear Fit 2 watch. When 11.x.x came out, the app stopped working. Samsung got on the ball and updated the app so that it works better than it did with 10.x.x.

If you don't want updates, Settings/iTunes & Apps Store. Deselect Apps and Updates.
 
Or you could have installed the Apple TV profile and got rid of the nag? Google is your friend. But some people think the world just revolves around them... oh well next time you will know what to do :)

this. used to do that all the time while waiting for jailbreaks.
some ppl seem to prefer whining and ranting tough.
 
this. used to do that all the time while waiting for jailbreaks.
some ppl seem to prefer whining and ranting tough.
Believe it or not but there are millions of people out there who never heard of a tvOS profile workaround.
And once u update to ios11 and experience the slow GUI there is only ranting left or buying a new phone.

So u wonder why some people don't accept Apples planed obsolescence???
 
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In every one of those threads that is a complaint, someone is going to respond saying everything is perfect.
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See how much easier it can be?
Yeah until somebody hits never and another serious exploit comes out like heartbleed or the recent wifi exploit. They are targeted and someone takes money from their bank account.
 
Believe it or not but there are millions of people out there who never heard of a tvOS profile workaround.
And once u update to ios11 and experience the slow GUI there is only ranting left or buying a new phone.

So u wonder why some people don't accept Apples planed obsolescence???
What planned obsolescence?
 
If you don't want updates, Settings/iTunes & Apps Store. Deselect Apps and Updates.
Deselecting auto-updates does nothing to prevent OS updates from downloading and presenting the nagging dialog box.
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Yeah until somebody hits never and another serious exploit comes out like heartbleed or the recent wifi exploit. They are targeted and someone takes money from their bank account.
So if this scenario is so serious, then Apple should auto-update everyone's device and not even present the dialog box.

Ultimately, if you decline the update, then it's on you if you get hacked or whatnot. All that we (at least some of us) are asking for is the ability to stop the auto-downloading of the update and the ability to turn off the dialog box until we're ready to update.

The tvOS profile thing looks like the answer, but let's all agree that it's a kludge and not a real solution. Most folks aren't like us and read tech forums all day long. Hell, I spend way too much time reading tech stuff and I had never heard of it before the other day.
 
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They’ve been fighting hard with nagging screens, and finally they managed to fool me and this time I pushed the accept button instead of the cancel one (I don’t know if they changed the left/right position of the buttons, but they fooled me).

Then, they didn’t ask for a confirmation. I got the button wrong and the iOS update started without asking for a confirmation. This turned my iPhone non-operational for about 20 minutes, which I consider an insult and a really dirty (really dirty, Apple) practice: Imagine I had to do an important call during those 20 minutes: Shouldn’t you ask me to confirm if I can afford to upgrade in this moment? What if I had to do a business call and I misinterpreted your dirty (excrement-dirty) nagging screen?

They robbed my iPhone. Now it’s iOS 11. Very valuable apps and games don’t work anymore (and they had important files on them)

Apple, what you did to me tonight falls in the phishing practices category: I’ve said NO dozens of times to the nagging screen. Finally you fooled me to click the button you wanted. My iPhone belongs to you. What do you want next. My car? My house? My bank account? What’s up with you Apple, why are you the dirtiest company on Earth today?

I was hoping for a 14inch MacBook or for the future modular Mac Pro, but I’m so upset that I think I’m not going to buy any other product from you anymore. This is not what I thought of you, Apple. Enough is enough.

Sorry, this one is on you. You slipped up.

My 6S Plus that I use at home on Wifi is still on 10.3.3. and I've managed to avoid installing iOS 11.

I even *gasp* deleted the files for iOS 11 from my phone!
 
What planned obsolescence?
Just on example of dozens: massive Keyboard delay.
U think opening the keyboard with ios11 really needs now 84x more processing power than 10 years ago? Maybe one 2G processor for each emoji:)

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Wake up
 
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Oh, sure, a nagging screen twice a week (yes, recently it rose to twice a week) in which a mistake doesn’t ask for a confirmation is not robbing. And how on Earth is not robbing if they stole iOS10 without my consent, and they would kept trying forever until I upgrade?
You didn't have the time, twice a week, to read what you clicked on?

Some people...
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Meh.. I’ve seen phones update automatically over night. Happened to a coworker. He didn’t accidentally click a button, didn’t get a nagging message etc. it updated on its own overnight according to him.
Don’t stand in the way of progress. Update your phone or switch to android.
No, that means (by definition) that user clicked on "install tonight" AND entered his passcode and simply forgot about it. There is no functionality whatsoever to update without the user's consent.
 
Apple owns the software, you licence it. They can't rob you of what they own and are essentially loaning you.

But they can still be in breach of the licencing agreement, which in some countries, carries far more stringent penalties. Here in Australia, rob someone, get a slap on the wrist by the judge. Breach your licencing deed however, get hauled over hot coals.
 
In every one of those threads that is a complaint, someone is going to respond saying everything is perfect.
As is often enough the case with many things, some people might not be experiencing some issues that others are. That doesn't mean that 90% of content here is just about everything being perfect though, which is what the original comment in relation to this said. A lot of the content is critical or just plain negative. At the very least we can say it's a 50/50 split, but certainly not 90% one way or another.

See how much easier it can be?
Of course it can be (and I've mentioned plenty of times before, should be) easier. But that wasn't what that particular discussion was about.
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We have this on every iOS update on every iphone and iPad and ipod.
Good for u that u r just not aware. Feel free to google
In many instances most people aren't experiencing all of the issues that are brought up, and in plenty of other cases they aren't experiencing the issues nearly to the same degree as a few might. Hyperbole, absolutes, extremes, overgeneralization, and all of that aren't all that useful, and usually only detract.
 
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