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Other Apple robbed my iPhone today
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I'm pretty much done with this forum. One used to be able to have discussions here but now it's 90% "Apple is perfect, you are wrong for complaining about this annoying thing."
Such a waste of time to even make a thread when everyone is just going to blame you for your thoughts instead of actually discussing the issue.
(And go back and look at my history, for years I've been the biggest Apple cheerleader I know and even I can't stand it anymore.)
You mean "children" don't you? And yes, the children are all extremely annoyed that someone had a problem they dared to voice out loud.
Such a waste of time to even make a thread when everyone is just going to blame you for your thoughts instead of actually discussing the issue.
(And go back and look at my history, for years I've been the biggest Apple cheerleader I know and even I can't stand it anymore.)
You mean "children" don't you? And yes, the children are all extremely annoyed that someone had a problem they dared to voice out loud.
While I agree that there can be an instinct to rush to judge and throw up extreme opinions here (and on the internet as a whole), I think at least 50% of the fault lies with the OP in this case. A thread title like "Apple robbed my iPhone today" is clickbait. I was expecting a story about how the OP took the phone in to an Apple store for service and they confiscated it because they mistakenly thought it was stolen. Or maybe something about how an Apple genius erased the phone without asking the OP first. Or maybe even something like an Apple employee actually recorded bank information off the phone and used it to rob the OP. Instead, I got a rant about installing an iOS update that adds features and patches security vulnerabilities. The kicker? The OP admits the update was installed because he/she didn't read the prompt carefully and clicked the wrong button.
The first post itself is also full of hyperbole. The first claim that Apple suddenly moved around the cancel button in the update prompt in an effort to trick users is highly improbably and reads more like an attempt to blame Apple for the OP not paying attention. The rant in the second paragraph about the phone not being usable during the update process is also a bit much. Apple is supposed to make it so that you can do a major OS-level update on the phone and still use all the features of the phone at the same time now? Has any computer or phone manufacturer ever offered that? Anytime you do an iOS update, you risk missing an important call for a few minutes. It's the price you pay for not accidentally having files on your phone corrupted because you were using it while the update is being applied. I could go on, but statements like an iOS update is tantamount to robbing the user's phone and that games contain valuable data make it very difficult to take the OP seriously.
Now, we could definitely have a discussion about whether Apple should allow iOS downgrades and should be so aggressive about pushing iOS updates. I personally think the current system offers a number of benefits for users, developers, and Apple. Users are sure to have the latest security patches and OS features. Developers can focus their efforts on the latest SDK because the vast majority of iOS users are running the latest software. And, Apple can streamline their technical support because most users are running the latest iOS. Seems like a win for everyone. I do think Apple could ease up on the update prompts after a user has said no a few times. But, there are benefits to nagging users too (most of whom aren't very technical and tend to put off OS updates).
What I do know is that a clickbait-y rant post like the one at the top of this thread is not going to lead to the reasoned discussion you are hoping for.
...in the most whiny, hyperbolic, myopic, entitled way possible. Only priests, shrinks, and guidance counselors respond to that kind of crap thoughtfully and graciously. And that’s because they’re paid to.
These would be fair points if the people who made level-headed posts got any better reply these days.
How do you deal with technology on a daily basis, by complaining and yelling at an inanimate device? Just wow.
Fan Boi's are upset ..... you must assimilate! Whatever words the OP used reflects the frustration with Apple and especially iOS 11. You are all entitled to your opinion. iOS 11 is a turd.
Or you could have installed the Apple TV profile and got rid of the nag? Google is your friend. But some people think the world just revolves around them... oh well next time you will know what to do
Millions of posts and only one that offered a real solution.
I love posts like this. I wonder if people actually read what they type, or better yet, believe what they type.
How is 90% of what's on the forums about Apple being perfect when the vast majority are complaints and rants (as is often the case when it comes to forums)?
How about this? Sell your phone or return it (if Possible).
Agreed. Of the 50 threads I see on the main page of this forum (not including stickies), 25 of the thread titles are complaints/problems with their phone.
If you think this thread is annoying, try dealing with the constant nagging that iOS does to get you to update.
Apple is turning into Microsoft. Tricking users into updating is something MS has done before.
https://www.pcworld.com/article/307...dows-10-pop-up-tricks-you-into-upgrading.html
not sure if this has been mentioned yet since I'm not reading through 4 pages of this ridiculous thread but the obvious solution for you is to get an Android device, you wont see an update prompt for close to a year after its released. Clearly you are not happy with Apple so you should not continue to purchase their products. Don't reward their bad behavior with your hard earned money, go android at once!!!
I thought iOS only downloaded when it was connected to a power source and on Wi-Fi. Please correct me, but I just deleted the iOS 11 update and I always turn Wi-Fi off before plugging it in.
Yes, the title was hyperbole, but the OP is partly right. Apple should not insist that much on updates.
My initial sentence was to show that even though I do take proactive steps, it will just reappear whenever it can. And I can misclick too.
If you refuse to allow downgrading, at least don't bother that much with updates.
Yes, the title was hyperbole, but the OP is partly right. Apple should not insist that much on updates.
My initial sentence was to show that even though I do take proactive steps, it will just reappear whenever it can. And I can misclick too.
If you refuse to allow downgrading, at least don't bother that much with updates.
This quote is not from Apple, but, however it includes one of the reasons why I switched to Apple in the "golden" days of Microsoft. Yes, you can argue that privacy was not a big concern in those years, but when you moved from Microsoft to Apple, it was a big step in the direction of being in control of your computer: with Microsoft, by using your computer you felt like if you were working for Microsoft rather than for yourself; with the Mac, you were actually working for yourself. In other words: with Microsoft, you had to respect Microsoft. With Apple, it's Apple who respected you and your work.
The quote is from https://puri.sm . Of course you can take your crystal ball (together with your love for Apple telling you what you have to do --and trusting they'll be good boys with your private data you're making available to them everyday)... and with your crystal ball + Apple-servant-joy, you can laugh at Purism saying how they will fail, that other people tried before and failed, and that Linux has no apps, blah, blah, blah,... and you can laugh in the way you wish, but there's one thing you can't silence: The group of people who is fed up with devices that tell them what, when and how to do things, is bigger and bigger with the time, at least as big as to crowdfund two laptops and a $2M amount for a phone.
In my first post in the thread (which you called a joke, childish, from a newbie, hyperbolic, blah, blah, blah), I said that enough is enough. It wasn't a matter of a quick shout done in a bad day, but a progressive change in Apple's attitude, that I cannot tolerate as a customer. Losing iOS 10 is not bad enough for saying enough is enough (iOS 10 is worse than older iOS versions). What really made me affirm that Apple is no longer on my side but against me, is that Apple decided that I had to answer a nagging screen twice a week, and that I could only choose two options: keep answering that nagging screen forever twice a week, for all the weeks in the rest of my life. Or accept to update. I had chosen the former, but I was in the subway, and in a hurry of opening an app, so in the middle of the hurry I pressed the wrong button (and please, don't tell me about the watchTV profile: that's an unsupported hack that Apple can disable when they want; the same goes for deleting the update: it continues to be downloaded again, forever and ever).
I could look for workarounds (selling the iPhone, etc...), but... I see this event as the clear confirmation that, from now on, Apple is not going to be on my side anymore, but telling me what to do, when, exactly how to do it, and nagging if I'm not willing to obey. Not only that, but also they'll continue pushing me to upload my files and my data to their servers (iCloud, or whatever comes next).
- Should I trust how they'll use my data when they don't even respect my choice of not updating as a permanent and final decision taking on my own?
- Should I trust how they'll use my data when they don't even ask for a confirmation for an OS update that is going to make your phone non-operational for 20 minutes? (I had to call my family, not urgent, but I had to delay my family call for 20 minutes just because Apple managed to fool me this time)
- Should I trust how they'll use my data when they are always trying to push me in the direction they want?
It's clear I could sell the iPhone and get an iOS 10 (or older) one, but that's not going to change the root of these questionable (to say the least) practices from Apple. I cannot tolerate these practices, so enough is enough.
And, those of you suggesting Android... you are indeed joking, aren't you?
If you ask me what will be my next OS and my next mobile devices, I cannot answer at this time, because, as you said, the main options in mobile are either iOS or Android, and I'm very used to the power of MacOS. If Purism succeeds, it could very well be my future brand. Their motto (the beginning quote at the top of this message) defines exactly how I want my devices to be nowadays. If they don't succeed, I'll keep looking, because if there's interest enough of raising $2M for a phone, there must be alternatives sooner or later.
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I know all too well. I am still using Win 7 Pro on both of my iMac via BootCamp. I have Win10 in my Thinkpad laptop and find I like it a lot! Just scared to let computer update to Win10 when they were all working well.
By nagging the end users so many times asking the same question repeatedly, they are basically sending the message "You are going to update whether you like it or not."
It's sad to see so many people sided with Apple on this one.
It's sad to see so many people sided with Apple on this one.
