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Do you think the first benchmarks are correct?


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CE3

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On paper, the price to performance ratio of these new Macs is better than its ever been, and they’re already making comparable Windows machines look underpowered and overpriced. Of course I’ll reserve my final judgement for real world use, but this looks potentially game changing in a very big way for Apple.
 

dmccloud

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Just a question, am not a conspiracy thinker but it seems on Geekbench the number of results is limited. Could this be "spoofed"?

I have a MBP 15 inch 2018 (2.6 GHz 6 core with 16 GB ram) and it is a powerful machine but too heavy and I hardly use it for anything more than Photos, Safari, Chrome. Office 365, MS Teams and MS Remote Desktop. I wanted to change for the previous Air but something withheld me. The 15 is an overkill for my needs.

The new Air with better screen seems just about right for my limited needs and the M1 processor.... wow! So that trigger will be pulled and will not be disappointed.

But am just wondering why I can see only 5 results for the MacbookAir10,1, where the naming seems off compared to other Macs and where the L2 cache is 4 MB i.s.o. the 8 MB I read somewhere. Or is someone at the Infinite Loop doing some clever marketing? The values look more than magnificent for such device and I was turned already...

Just some thoughts.

Most likely because those developers who had early access to the new M1-based Macs were under a strict NDA until the formal announcement. Now that you can order these models for shipment next week, those NDAs would be expired, since Apple has already let the proverbial cat out of the bag. But I'd wait for some real-world testing of these new machines to see just how much of Apple's event (regarding the performance increases) was legit and how much was just PR-speak.
 

dmccloud

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Actually, the link you just sent provides exactly what I don't understand.

Why does the early 2020 benchmark provide so much details when the new one provides almost none (no BIOS data, no mother card data, not a full description such as MacBook Air 10,1 (late 2020), etc.). It just seems fabricated and not random machines that already left the building for review purposes etc.

And yes, I know the earth isn't flat :)

Since when do ARM-based SoCs have a BIOS or an indentifiable motherboard? This isn't an Intel or AMD-based system (or even a PPC system), so a lot of those indentifiers you asked about wouldn't even apply to the M1-based Macs. There also wouldn't be a reason to identify the MBA (10,1) as a late 2020 model since there are no other models running the M1 processor. With that being said, they may append (2020) to this model if Apple does a spec bump or chassis change in 2021.
 
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Henk van Ess

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On paper, the price to performance ratio of these new Macs is better than its ever been, and they’re already making comparable Windows machines look underpowered and overpriced. Of course I’ll reserve my final judgement for real world use, but this looks game changing in a very big way for Apple.
It certainly slaps Microsoft in the face, their tries only got a lukewARM response :)
 
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grrrz

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So what other benchmark would you be interested in, if any, besides sustained load?
idk cinebench with at least three passes or more; see if there is any throttling happening and when (with a passive cooling it'll happen; and then real world usage for a video editor; designer; musician/sound mixer
 

arn

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Most likely because those developers who had early access to the new M1-based Macs were under a strict NDA until the formal announcement. Now that you can order these models for shipment next week, those NDAs would be expired, since Apple has already let the proverbial cat out of the bag. But I'd wait for some real-world testing of these new machines to see just how much of Apple's event (regarding the performance increases) was legit and how much was just PR-speak.

Most likely review units went out after the announcement.
 
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Velli

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most of the first responses to the event were: where are the specs, what a marketing blurb of apple... Seems they even undersold it ;)
I think that's *exactly* what they did, knowingly. Apple would not make this jump unless the performance jump would be significant, I would wager that it was an internal benchmark for them that at least for hardcore CPU performance, the new lowest-end M1 Macbook had to indisputably outperform the previous highest-end Macbook, specifically to allow them to undersell. It had to be above discussion whether this is better or not. If they oversold, the debate afterwards would be "OK it's good, but it's not THAT good", even though the gain is remarkable. The hype once people actually start receiving these machines is going to be mindboggling, and worth a lot more than the marketing value of the presentation itself. Often, better benchmarks don't really translate into that much better real-world experience. Because of Apple's tight integration between software and hardware, I would expect the real-world gains from these computers to be actually MORE impressive than these benchmarks.
 

Henk van Ess

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The hype once people actually start receiving these machines is going to be mindboggling
I hope so. It does feel as a high stakes game. Either they win hearts and marketshare or unleash anger that will be remembered even after the introduction of the M78 in 2123 (78, with 78.000.000.000 quantum states)
 
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Henk van Ess

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Geekbench now included the M1 in the Big List.

And the winner for Single Core is: M1

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Not nr 1 in Multicore of-course, but still. not bad:

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michelg1970

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The number of benchmarks went up last night, check https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/search?utf8=✓&q=apple+silicon to 76 benchmarks

Still polluted with adp3,2 . But wow, that Mini M1 score posted today , with 8 Gb, https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/4678628 is amazing
Yup but still only 6 results for each device. If they floated review units early then either they floated a very small number or the reviewers don’t like geekbench. This still makes we wonder.

I do agree with your previous post though!
 

yoak

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I posted elsewhere here a link to a person having the Mbp 13 and his opinion. Recommend you check it out. He got the unit before the keynote.
 

leman

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I have now compared the available GB5 scores for the best mobile Intel Tiger Lake (i7-1165G7, quad-core), the best available mobile Ryzen CPU (Ryzen 7 4800U, octa-core) and the M1 MacBook Air (quad core + four low-power cores) . @Henk van Ess please consider these figures for inclusion in your original post :)

Few notes:

- the x axis is the GB5 score, the y axis is the relative count of registered results with this score
- right of the x axis means faster
- this is based on all the scores currently available in GB5 browser
- the sample sizes are very uneven, so M1 results should be taken with a grain of salt (we have hundreds of scores for other CPUs but only 8 for M1)
- please don't forget that this is the passively cooled MacBook Air being compared to actively cooled 15W and 30W CPUs, some of which have double the number of main cores


gb5_m1_single.jpg


gb5_m1_multi.jpg
 

Icelus

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I'm still unsure how accurate Geekbench is. Apple has said the new Air is "up to 3.5x" faster than presumably the old (intel Y) processor. The core i9 is MUCH more than 3.5x faster than the intel Y platform. These benchmarks make the M1 seem faster than the i9. Something about the numbers/marketing are not lining up in a way that's logical to me.

I'll wait for real world workflow numbers.
"3.5x faster" is based on video encoding. Scroll to the bottom of the Macbook Air page to see how they derived those numbers.
 

Henk van Ess

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found the user review

Yay, I can talk now that the announcement has happened. I’ve got a new 13” MBP here. Apple is kicking ass with this new chip. It’s a HUGE improvement over the 2018 MBP13 I have. Still not as powerful as my 16” MBP, yet it’s a lot snappier overall. And actually to take that back, things that can use the ML cores and are optimized for the M1 chip absolutely scream. I didn’t know what all they were going to announce today, but now we see that the bigger chip(s) for the 16” MBP, iMac and Mac Pro are not here yet. They’re still saying this is about a 2 year transition process. I just wanted to chime in previously about the Apple chips, but couldn’t really say anything on it until now. Apple is now making the most powerful CPUs in terms of power per watt. How that will scale up to their larger systems will be interesting to see. All things considered, I think the new Air, Mini and MBP13 are a great start.


FWIW, I know Intel is pretty butt-hurt over this. But Apple has been on them hard for a while about getting their process shrink implemented, trimming the bloat and a bunch of other things that Intel just can’t seem to get done.

The way the new Rosetta2 works, it’s a whole lot smoother than PowerPC to Intel. Overall there’s much greater compatibility and developers have minimal work to rebuild a native app compared to the last time around. That said, I’ve encountered a few little gotcha’s in my testing so far. And depending on what you’re coming from, it may or may not be the right time to consider one of these vs. an Intel Mac. Apple will continue to sell Intel Macs until their transition is complete and maybe even a bit beyond. But I wouldn’t expect any real innovation on that side of the product line, just a minor update here and there to accommodate a new CPU or GPU. The 13” Pro is great for working in Xcode and moderate photo work, can edit videos in a pinch. For now, if I know I need more power, I’ll grab my 16”. This is a nice replacement to my 2018 MBP13. But if you have a current 13”, then probably best to wait a year or two. Waiting is probably the best course of action unless you just need a new Air, Mini or MBP13 now.

Should be pretty comparable for general CPU tasks that don’t utilize more than 4 cores, but it’s not that simple. The new one has 8 cores and absolutely crushes through stuff built as a native app. It’s a much tighter integrated product and a lot more efficient. The new one is said to be configurable to 32GB, but we can only order with 16GB. They sent me one with 16GB, which is fine for my 13”. The biggest improvement I see vs. my 2018 is the whole system just being a lot snappier and it is definitely more powerful. Noticeably a lot faster building Xcode projects. Working in Unity is actually possible on the 13” with their GPU. My 2018 was a dog in Unity. OTOH, it’s not a great system for Unity anyway just because the screen is too small, but that’s a different problem.

Final Cut is way more responsive and capable on the system with ProRes footage. I have not tried R3D clips lately and will revisit, I had some issues with getting R3D to work last week. I have not attempted DaVinci Resolve. R3D support may need a native update from RED and I haven’t asked if they have it up and running. I’m curious to see how the Metal acceleration for R3D will translate to these systems.

 
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