I’m actually quite lost with your statement … I said I’ve made some questionable decisions some time ago, but if you read it again … what has worked for me then works for me now … are you responding to the correct person?
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I’m actually quite lost with your statement … I said I’ve made some questionable decisions some time ago, but if you read it again … what has worked for me then works for me now … are you responding to the correct person?
The fact that you cannot see the difference between frustration at Apple ignoring personal performance in a system where personal performance is meant to be taken into account versus collective bargaining agreements says more about you than me or the person I quoted. You seem to be woefully misinformed about unions and how they operate.
Anyway, pay workers more, pay workers now, and eat the rich. Peace!
You’re calling me misinformed after writing the above? Ha, I’m really not sure what to respond with here …
Yup everyone gets a raise and half gets the boot … that’s the way! …
yup, one thing we can agree on … eat the rich!
… smidge of an edit above, my apologies …
Yup. I was specifically talking about how it's harder starting out now than it was back when you were starting out, and then for whatever reason you thought to say that it's been working out for you so far, implying that you're still starting out new careers now. Maybe you're a serial career-changer, I don't know. But if not, I think that you're confusing your own experience, now deep into a career from back when getting started was much easier, with getting started in a new career in the modern day. It's not the early 90s anymore, the bar is much, much higher today for pretty much everything.
It's a retail job, not a career. These employees are Sally Six-Packs & Joe Punchclocks. They're a dime a dozen. Call me when they have any measurable skills worthy of $20/hr.
I always do......and avoid buying/using at all costs.
Why is it a retail job and not a retail career? Why do you get to make that distinction? And what’s the calculus by which you decided on whatever arbitrary number you think they’re worthy of?
They’re worthy now, so please share your number and I’ll give you a call.
hey, not fair ... you already told me I'm confused, so much for originality, or did I forget and you called me something else?
you're trying too hard and keep jumping to conclusions boss.king ... not that it matters, but my first corporate/big tech job was exactly in 1999 when everyone and their mother had an IT degree ... yes times were different back then, but competition was just as stiff if I recall. I joined the work force in 1993 working through high school at a local Gaseteria in Queens, NY for nothing but tips ... you know entry-level/starter kind of thing ... but I considered it gaining experience ...
yes I had various jobs, but always advancing before settling in IT, worked with tech ever since ... yes I'm old and times have changed, except the fact that I continuously work hard, study late into the wee hours to get ahead ...
You can make it a career all you want to, just know that you're an entry-level shlub and you're going to be paid accordingly. Minimum wage jobs were never intended to be careers. They've always been a stepping stone to more gainful employment elsewhere.
You want to make retail work a career, go for it. Just don't come complaining months/years later that you can't support a family/lifestyle knowing that you're too lazy to better yourself & your situation and demand that others foot the bill for your poor choices.
I see a lot of people make the claim that they were never intended to be careers but no one ever has anything to back that up other than their own beliefs. I'd love to see a source for that if you have one.
This is a wild take. I always wonder what makes someone think that doing an essential job that you likely rely on on a daily basis and don't want to do yourself somehow doesn't deserve a liveable wage (and then they're often the same people complaining that their service wasn't good enough or can't fathom why no one wants to work for them).
Ironically, I used to think a little bit like you back when I was doing really badly financially (though still not quite as extreme as the argument you're making). When I started making really good money, I realised the value of paying people well to do the things I didn't want to do myself. Societies function better when people aren't struggling.
Who hurt you?
Why is the concept of earning enough to make a living so outlandish in the US? Why is minimum wage lower than what you need to get by? Why do people in the service industry need to rely on tips? Why do so many people need multiple jobs to pay their bills? Why is unionizing or trying to improve your working conditions a bad thing?
I’m so glad I don’t work in the US. Now let me go back to enjoy my 40 days of vacation (on top of holidays), my paid parental leave as a dad, my free healthcare unrelated to employment, unlimited sick days, a 13th paid month, the right to disconnect and my bonus when I bike to work.
Most companies pay their employees less money than the employees make for them. When companies pay their employees more than the employees make for them, they tend to go out of business extremely quickly.
Teachers working in non-union private schools are paid much less and have a much more difficult time hiring the exact teachers you are discussing. So yes, collective bargaining is beneficial for the exact reason you claim is a downside.
How much value does Apple place on customer service? The entire original purpose of the Apple Store was to give the company direct control of face to face customer service, so it seems pretty vital. So then it goes back to the old “you get what you pay for.” Apple’s brand is successful by paying employees well, not poorly. I’m not sure why anyone who loves Apple as a company would want Apple to join the race to the bottom that happens in other stores like Walmart. Nothing wrong with paying these employees higher than a typical retail employees. It’s a high-end brand.
Yeah no one is getting the boot. This is a myth. You think Apple is running a charity? No. They employ exactly how many people they need to operate the store to their standards. They aren’t going to sacrifice their image by cutting service to the bone over a $2 raise for retail employees. Not a 1 trillion dollar company.
And yet McDonalds hasn’t laid off workers there or shuttered their restaurants like all the anti-union people always claim will happen. American greed is disgusting and tends to impact American workers more than any other countries where American companies operate. Well except for Apple’s Chinese sweat shops. They are even worse.McDonald’s workers in Denmark make more than $20 an hour and they get six weeks of paid vacation.
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The fight over a minimum wage is often centered around McDonald's.www.snopes.com
Ya, pay the engineers and designers well, not the ones pimping cases and watch bands.
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Because we don’t know what they are actually getting paid? By that logic, everyone at Apple should get an increase, and I am pretty sure the top tier doesn’t need or deserve it. The Apple Store employees are far less likely to be paid more than they deserve, so it is actually likely that they do deserve a raise, but without knowing any details of the current pay, it doesn’t make sense to simply say everyone should just get paid more.
I personally think CEO pay has gotten ridiculous in the last 50 years, but instead of trying to scale the high end back and get the economics back in line, it feels like we are now moving to just try to pay everyone to match those insane CEO increases. As a retired worker that worked through those years as it got more imbalanced, I respect that you are trying to get things more fair for the workers, but as I am trying to live on what I was able to save, I would prefer if we didn’t massively devalue those dollars I still have left. That said, I was at least able to save up a bit, and every worker deserves that chance, so they need to get the CEO to employee minimum pay ratio back to something more reasonable, preferably starting at the top so that inflation doesn’t just increase the price of everything to match any increases in pay.
Not sure about the US but you have to be at least moderately wealthy to be able to afford a golf course membership over here in Europe. But, what's the old saying? "Do you play golf already or do you still have sex?"
It's only free if you don't buy anything from Apple. I can assure you they have factored in support costs ahead of time.
US is just dumb with their tip fetish. I never tip in the US at restaurants since I don't want to support that kind of gross culture where you are forced to give tips...
That's just because unlike in the EU, in the US waiters are actually underpaid to factor in the tip they get from the customers.
And yeah, it's a gross culture. Since as a customer you should know beforehand what you are supposed to pay.
How do you think it makes the Fed's chair Jerome Powell feel like?
I am guessing the real inflation numbers is close to 20%...