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Apple Stores Now Stock 14-Inch M3 MacBook Pro With 16GB of RAM

madmin said:
Phewwwww at last, onwards to the next moanathon :)
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Remember how people complained about the butterfly keyboards, MacBook Pros being hard limited to 16 GB RAM, MacBooks having awful thermal design, MacBook Pros removal of the SD and HDMI ports, Apple removing the ESC key for a poorly adopted Touch Bar? Remember how people complained about the MacBook Airs and entry MacBook Pro lacking dual-display support and Apple addressed that two days ago?

Apple has proven all of those "moaners" correct by addressing those pain points. And you have benefited. We've all benefited. Otherwise we'd all be using those awful butterfly keyboards that feel like typing on flat plastic.

Bring the moaning if it means better Macs.
 
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jakey rolling said:
SSDs and Batteries are parts that should be considered consumables and should be user-replacable. Yet another area where the EU is probably going to be ahead of the rest of the world on forcing companies' hands to return device ownership back to device owners.
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It's shocking to see the level of Stockholm syndrome in Apple land..

Folks are like: "I don't WANT to be able to replace my battery or SSD! THANK YOU APPLE!!!"

I'm just like literally shaking my head reading this stuff sometimes.. 😣
 
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Embarrassingly, I only just now noticed that this is a 1TB config. So if you just wanted 16/512, which should be the base anyway, you’ll still have to BTO and have virtually no hope of ever finding a discounted offer at a reseller. This means you will still end up paying the same price as a discounted M3 Pro 18/512.

Throw us a bone why don’t ya 😵‍💫
 
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At the price point I guess it depends on your usage & needs but it “feels” as if the M3 Pro base model may potentially be the better bet?
 
Anywhere Offline Player said:
I'm surprised by how some people can really work on just a 8GB of RAM.
Despite using a budget-friendly MacBook Pro M1 for my work, which involves running applications like Xcode, Safari, ChatGTP, Slack, SourceTree, and a couple of others, I don't have an excessive number of Safari tabs open—just a few for tasks like accessing App Store Connect or browsing GitHub and Stack Overflow.

Yet, I'm facing significant lagging issues with everything, which indicates a need for an additional 10-12GB of RAM just to meet regular requirements.

For any new Apple machine, I would never settle for 16GB; the minimum should be 32GB!
Essentially, the amount of swap being used indicates that the current amount is insufficient.

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I think this is a Safari issue. Whenever stuff starts lagging for me, sure enough it’s Safari that’s the culprit. Close and reopen Safari and the lag disappears. Certain webpages I can barely even open without it grinding to a halt, yet those same pages work fine in Chrome. Maybe try a different browser and see how it goes.
 
Honestly surprised Apple is actually doing this. I was using 8gb of ram until recently and it is a HUGE quality of life improvement to go from 8gb to 16gb. They need to just get rid of it or make a 10gb model at least
 
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iGeek2019 said:
At the price point I guess it depends on your usage & needs but it “feels” as if the M3 Pro base model may potentially be the better bet?
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Unless you want Space Gray. Goodness me Apple are hard work these days. I reckon they do it for a laugh 🫤
 
Jim Lahey said:
Apple is nuts period. They sell about forty versions of everything and yet it’s still impossible to get exactly what you want without compromising on something or other. It’s actually really impressive.
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Yes - Agreed - I've referred to Tim Cook's Apple and their product lines as a "SKU-Fest"

They are spreadsheet masters. The amount of time they seem to spend working backwards from "how do we squeeze a touch more out of every possible price point buyer", and all the permutations, is really rather impressive.

Sad - pathetic - disappointing -- but impressive none the less
 
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Hank001 said:
No idea how heavy Xcode is, but I don't have any lag with the following running on a maccMini M1 and a MBA M2, both with 8/256

Safari couple of tabs
Opera
Firefox
Spotify
Mail
Messages
Calendar
Notes
Photos
Maps
MS Excel
TextEdit
rubiTrack Pro


And no lag whatsoever. Usually keep machines for about 5 years, no idea if the SSD gets worn out. For any 'heavy stuff' I fire up the MP (64 RAM).
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I have not seen much particular lag either on 8GB machines in general use (I tested this on other people's machines since mine are all either 16GB or 64GB)) but I am more concerned that there is a great deal of disc swapping going on, hence my main point here was the concern that SSDs would wear out over time.
 
turbineseaplane said:
Yes - Agreed - I've referred to Tim Cook's Apple and their product lines as a "SKU-Fest"

They are spreadsheet masters. The amount of time they seem to spend working backwards from "how do we squeeze a touch more out of every possible price point buyer", and all the permutations, is really rather impressive.

Sad - pathetic - disappointing -- but impressive none the less
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Jim Lahey said:
Apple is nuts period. They sell about forty versions of everything and yet it’s still impossible to get exactly what you want without compromising on something or other. It’s actually really impressive.
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There must be one guy, or perhaps a team that pores over every minutia and spec of every machine and how it fits into their matrix.

One day, I wish he/she would write a tell all about how mind boggling a task this was. Surely there must be some machine learning or AI involved to automate this task.
 
satchmo said:
There must be one guy, or perhaps a team that pores over every minutia and spec of every machine and how it fits into their matrix.

One day, I wish he/she would write a tell all about how mind boggling a task this was. Surely there must be some machine learning or AI involved to automate this task.
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Sounds like a good read -- I'd buy a copy ... the "Pro edition" of course ;)

Book title could be: "Bilking Customers: My Career at Apple and working with Tim Cook"
 
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JordanCautious said:
Honestly surprised Apple is actually doing this. I was using 8gb of ram until recently and it is a HUGE quality of life improvement to go from 8gb to 16gb. They need to just get rid of it or make a 10gb model at least
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The rumor is 12 GB.

The MacBook Pro just changed from 16 GB to 18 GB because they went from 2 x 8 GB to 3 x 6 GB DRAM modules.

So it seems Apple is loving to 6 GB DRAM modules so that they can move Airs to 12 GB (2 x 6 GB).

So the Air will be 12 GB and the Pro will stay 18 GB; but eventually Apple will make the Pro 24 GB. I think Apple is avoiding making the Pro 32 GB anytime soon.
 
SAdProZ said:
The rumor is 12 GB.

The MacBook Pro just changed from 16 GB to 18 GB because they went from 2 x 8 GB to 3 x 6 GB DRAM modules.

So it seems Apple is loving to 6 GB DRAM modules so that they can move Airs to 12 GB (2 x 6 GB).

So the Air will be 12 GB and they will make the Pro 24 GB.
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Sounds good
Can we fast forward to 12GB base?
:D
 
citysnaps said:
Do you need more memory? Simply pay for it. Easy.
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I have really mixed feelings on this.

People who *know* they need more now can make that decision now. But I don't think it's fair to expect everyone to predict their future needs in advance - especially for a computer that ought to last many years.

Who knows what kind of amazing yet RAM-hungry software might come in the next 3-5 years, much like the explosion of VRAM-hungry AI tools now. User-upgradable RAM allows us to 1.) buy what we need, as needed, 2.) buy upgrades at potentially-lower future prices, and 3.) give new life to older machines & keep them out of e-waste.
 
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What is the point of buying a MacBook Pro with 8GB of RAM? Is Dim Cook really that dim? If someone only needs 8GB of RAM, why not just buy a MacBook Air?
 
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ThomasJL said:
What is the point of buying a MacBook Pro with 8GB of RAM? Is Dim Cook really that dim? If someone only needs 8GB of RAM, why not just buy a MacBook Air?
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They just do it so they can advertise a lower starting price.

I’m surprised they haven’t started with even lower MSRPs that exclude storage and RAM altogether (but require some at purchase of course)
 
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turbineseaplane said:
It's shocking to see the level of Stockholm syndrome in Apple land..

Folks are like: "I don't WANT to be able to replace my battery or SSD! THANK YOU APPLE!!!"

I'm just like literally shaking my head reading this stuff sometimes.. 😣
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Of course I would prefer a device where I can replace things. I used to do that on previous MacBook Pros, and miss it a bit.

But it's a tradeoff, and it's silly to pretend otherwise. By making them non-replaceable, Apple made them:

  • faster: the RAM can have much higher memory bandwidth by being soldered, and very close to the SoC.
  • more reliable: soldering has lower wear and tear than any mechanical means of replacement.
  • thinner and lighter: because you save on the mechanics, you also save on space.
 
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