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Apple teams up with Adobe for iPhone Flash

I would still like to know why crappy flash animations and video consume all my cpu time and still runs very choppy.

I love what flash can do, but I really hate it consumes all my resources.
 
map1978 said:
I don't see what's the big deal of having Flash Lite.
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I don't see what's the big deal of having Flash, period.

As for Hulu, they just need to make an app already. Allow the phone to decode beautiful h.264 Hulu video, rather than waste time with flash.

The idea that this is (as some are claiming) holding some of you back from buying an iPhone is astounding.

What Flash based media would you be missing out from your current cell phone experience that outweighs every other feature available on the iPhone?

How are any of you currently using Flash on your phone?
 
Noooo

Please no flash. There's little I despise more (other than any and all proprietary plugins).

I'm happy that there's no flash on the iPhone and had hoped that it would encourage developers and designers to stop using it.
 
Please God let us turn Flash off completely. The amount of Flash ads on the internet these days will make browsing via the phone nearly impossible without running all types of ads. I don't even think the web is usable without Adblock Plus these days. :D
 
Now this makes me want to buy an iphone!!! this is what i have been waiting for, Also watching quicktime videos in the browser!! They need to update.
 
Schtumple said:
EDIT: small white car, I think Flash is being embedded so that people can watch flash content, rather than create flash apps, I think these "flash apps" are going to be like the web 2.0 apps apple first touted about, they're not natively installed, a pain to make and severely limited (performance wise) compared to being able to run native, does anyone still actually use any of those anymore!?
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Tres said:
But people can make web apps for the iPhone already?
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They'll certainly be more like web-apps than native, but they'll be able to do more than current web apps. It will be a middle ground, really. Something in-between.

And yes, they won't do everything, but I could see them being popular in certain categories.
 
Seems unlikely to me.

dmb8021 said:
Apple co-founder Steve Jobs has maintained since nearly a year ago that the real obstacle is the nature of Flash itself. While desktop Flash is too resource-heavy for the small processor and low memory of smartphones like the iPhone, Jobs has warned that Flash Lite is too feature-limited and doesn't do many of the things users expect Flash to do -- such as playing video on the web or showing complex animations on websites.
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This is a misrepresentation of what SJ said, in that it makes it sound as if SJ wants Flash on the iPhone, but just can't because of technical problems.

All along, Apple has always recommended that web developers NOT use proprietary Flash content, but rather stick with open internet standards such as:
HTML 4.01
XHTML 1.0
CSS 2.1 and partial CSS3
ECMAScript 3 (JavaScript)
DOM Level 2
AJAX technologies, including XMLHTTPRequest

From (unfortunately, iPhone dev login is required):
https://developer.apple.com/webapps...on_2.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40006482-SW13
 
earthandtone said:
Also watching quicktime videos in the browser!! They need to update.
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You can already watch Quicktime videos in the browser. You just need to make sure that the video is in a format that the iPhone can play and that in Settings > Safari you have Plug-Ins turned on. You'll see a play triangle with a circle around it if you can watch the video. Tap that and it opens in the video player.
 
beg_ne said:
Why? What's so great about Flash, and especially Flash Lite?

What we have with the iPhone SDK is miles beyond what Flash is capable of, and it can do it without bringing a system down to its knees.

The only "advantage" is all of the Flash hacks could just their existing skills without having to learn anything new to make iPhone "apps".
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... Obviously someone who knows nothing about what they are talking about.

Do you know what AS3 is? Do you know what Flex is? How about ECMA?

Lets challenge these yahoo's to back up what they say, rather than just spew crap they read on some morons RSS feed ...
 
The possibilities for the iPhone are endless, I can't wait to see what is done with it in years to come. I just wish it weren't attached solely to AT&T.
 
Awesome. I love Flash when it's done right. Which is often enough. I'm also tired of not being able to view in page videos that aren't YouTube.

I agree with others, there should be an option to enable any Flash object that appears on a page and disable it if it's vomit This would prevent EVIL Flash banners that were developed by complete-tards from eating up constant CPU time.

I hope that if this is true, that this Flash Player will support ActionScript 3, which Flash Lite does not.

And on the battery life, anything on my Touch that's more than static, eats up the CPU like mad. I have to charge my battery sometimes twice a day.
 
Gah. Why oh why do so many people want Flash on the iPhone? Flash may not be entirely evil - but to just play videos misses the fact the iPhone doesn't support most of the codecs used by Flash videos. And not seeing ads, or sites that Google can't even index? I don't miss Flash one bit on my iPhone.

The reason the iPhone can play video and not eat all it's battery life as fast as possible is that there is a hardware chip designed to decode the video. It supports MP4, H.264 among a handful of other. On2VP6, or Sorenson Spark (the prevalent video codecs used in Flash - H.264 isn't as well used except on YouTube) are not supported and would kill your battery life as it taxed the CPU. Have you tried playing On2VP6 or Sorenson Spark on a 400 Mhz processor (about equivalent to what you see on the iPhone)? How about the first couple revisions of iMacs from 1997-1999? It's slow, choppy and super processor intensive.

The workaround is to when making your H.264 movie is to make it iPod compatible and instead of using JavaScript to write out your Flash element, output the HTML for the quicktime video.

In the end not having Flash on my iPhone is my favourite "non" feature and I've become a *HUGE* fan of ClickToFlash - the battery savings just browsing the web has been exceptionally noticeable, on top of not hearing my fans coming on just to play some ad that is intent on covering up content. Google text ads work well thank you and don't make me hate you.
 
Flash on the iPhone will be a key selling point for the new (3rd) iPhone being released this year, it won't be for the older iPhones.
 
I'm really hoping this is not a plug-in to MobileSafari but a standalone app like YouTube. For webpages that have embedded flash video, click it and it will open in a separate app.
 
What will Microsoft think if Flash gets on and Silverlight isn't invited to the party?

Apple won't ever allow Java on the iPhone as that would be a big no-no for them to handle since they'd have no control over that SDK (I mean JDK :eek:).
 
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