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I remember when this used to be an exciting thing. A chance to go see a retail store by a brand that made really cool futuristic stuff. Now I pass by these stores in the mall and see the same looking devices sitting around on those pretty tables and usually avoid walking in.
Me too.
What changed?
No Jobs, no Ive, no passion. Just money. Lots and lots of money.
 
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Mississauga is a city... with its own mayor. It may be in the GTA, but not a suburb – and no I'm not from there – I just like accuracy.
 
Covid destroyed a lot of downtown locations in cities all over the world. Apple can probably get great large spaces in prime locations all over the world. My city downtown could use an Apple store, there are some great locations waiting for a tenant.
 
Mississauga is a city... with its own mayor. It may be in the GTA, but not a suburb – and no I'm not from there – I just like accuracy.
Well, Jersey City has its own mayor, and Yonkers has its own mayor, but both are definitely still “suburbs” of NYC. A suburb is just a city located near a larger city. It can have its own central business district and own political administration (and may not even be a residential suburb) and still be considered a suburb. I guess what I’m saying is that suburb != residential suburb and suburb != residential neighborhood in a larger city.

Oh sure, I recognize that things get more confusing when Canada’s involved. Canadian provinces seem far more likely to pursue local governance consolidation than most US states are. So the fact that Mississauga has its own government means something in Canada that it wouldn’t necessarily mean in the US. Canada isn’t as extreme as the UK, though, where Greater London truly takes in basically everything that in a US city would be first ring suburbs and maybe even second ring suburbs (outside of the City of London, of course).
 
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I know where Mississauga is—I lived there for forty years—but I was unsure about any Apple stores in Toronto proper. Mississauga is a city in its own right and not in Toronto which someone alluded to when commenting, “Toronto will get a nice store.”

In Toronto centrally, Apple were understood to have a first right of refusal for the ground retail space at “The One” (1 Bloor West) — ostensibly to move from the (smaller) Eaton Centre location. Between recent receivership and ejection of the original developer, the 1 Bloor West project and the Eaton Centre losing its latest anchor retailer (again), it’s like Apple are treading gingerly with Toronto flagship plans.


Mississauga is a city... with its own mayor. It may be in the GTA, but not a suburb – and no I'm not from there – I just like accuracy.

Yah, I also read that as a bit of a side-jab.

The City of Mississauga’s population now rivals that of the City of Vancouver’s population. It is a distinct, major urban hub.


Oh sure, I recognize that things get more confusing when Canada’s involved. Canadian provinces seem far more likely to pursue local governance consolidation than most US states are.

It’s because Canadian provinces, constitutionally speaking, have the unilateral power to dictate what may and may not be a municipality or municipal region. The municipalities exist solely at the province’s pleasure.

So the fact that Mississauga has its own government means something in Canada that it wouldn’t necessarily mean in the US.

It means Queen’s Park, the provincial seat of government, designated Mississauga as a municipality in 1974.

Canada isn’t as extreme as the UK, though, where Greater London truly takes in basically everything that in a US city would be first ring suburbs and maybe even second ring suburbs (outside of the City of London, of course).

You should drop by Houston, Texas, sometime.
 
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In Toronto centrally, Apple were understood to have a first right of refusal for the ground retail space at “The One” (1 Bloor West) — ostensibly to move from the (smaller) Eaton Centre location. Between recent receivership and ejection of the original developer, the 1 Bloor West project and the Eaton Centre losing its latest anchor retailer (again), it’s like Apple are treading gingerly with Toronto flagship plans.




Yah, I also read that as a bit of a side-jab.

The City of Mississauga’s population now rivals that of the City of Vancouver’s population. It is a distinct, major urban hub.

Huh, I guess Toronto’s more like California than NYC, then. The LA Metro area has a number of satellite cities that have their own job base and major central business districts. While the NYC metro area kinda has that (Jersey City might be the best example), we don’t have it to nearly the same extent as LA (which is part of the reason LA is so car dependent). This would be like Newark becoming bigger than Chicago, I suppose.
 
Huh, I guess Toronto’s more like California than NYC, then.

I think you’re conflating municipalities with what are referred to as CMAs (or, census metropolitan areas) here in Canada, and MSAs (or, metropolitan statistical areas), in the U.S.

L.A. developed the way it did, distinct from NYC, largely due to when a) the development came to be, and b) the principal means of conveyance for people to move from point to point when that development occurred.

L.A., as you observed, began as a series of small towns, which were later stitched together as one of the towns — Los Angeles — grew rapidly following the rise of the petroleum industry and, in short order, the entertainment industry.

NYC, not unlike older U.S. cities as Chicago and Boston, started as ports of entry/trade and were clustered around that key trading activity — all of it underway before the automobile emerged as a means for transportation. From ports and trading came commodities exchanges, which concentrated a lot of wealth in very tight clusters.

Toronto, given when it came into being, how it grew, and the manner it developed as an inland port city, shares a great deal in common with the economic development history of Chicago.


The LA Metro area has a number of satellite cities that have their own job base and major central business districts. While the NYC metro area kinda has that (Jersey City might be the best example), we don’t have it to nearly the same extent as LA (which is part of the reason LA is so car dependent). This would be like Newark becoming bigger than Chicago, I suppose.

The NYC-Newark-Jersey City area is an MSA — the largest, in fact. MSAs and CMAs are useful for regional planning objectives, such as mass transit (like PATH and LIRR), water infrastructure, and air quality management.
 
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I remember when this used to be an exciting thing. A chance to go see a retail store by a brand that made really cool futuristic stuff. Now I pass by these stores in the mall and see the same looking devices sitting around on those pretty tables and usually avoid walking in. What changed?

Same. I don't have an Apple Store in my city, but been in one once. Doesn't excite me when they are not engaging. Remember the original stores that had Kiddie tables with beanbag chairs? That was engaging,
 
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Same. I don't have an Apple Store in my city, but been in one once. Doesn't excite me when they are not engaging. Remember the original stores that had Kiddie tables with beanbag chairs? That was engaging,

It was mesmerizing when one could walk up to a demo Mac, not be swarmed by scads of other shoppers, and do something as basic as trying out the then-new iSight FireWire camera (connected to a Power Mac G5), making your first desktop/laptop selfie, then emailing it to yourself without a store staffer dropping over, fauxthusiastically, to check up on you. :)

It’s been so long since I’ve wanted to walk into an Apple store that I hadn’t realized the kids area was no longer. That’s a shame.
 
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When I left Mississauga in 2009 there was no Apple Store in Square One. When did Square One first get its Apple Store?

Square One Shopping Centre is located in Mississauga, Ontario, and welcomes more than 24 million customers every year. Apple Square One (shown in the featured image) opened almost 15 years ago in August 2009, shortly after the launch of the iPhone 3GS.
 
Ah, that’s good. I haven’t been to Square One in a while, but the current Apple Store is way too small. I think that unit was previously a Sephora, but I might be mistaken. I hope the store gets some unique architecture. I’ll be sure to check it out once it opens.
 
I remember when this used to be an exciting thing. A chance to go see a retail store by a brand that made really cool futuristic stuff. Now I pass by these stores in the mall and see the same looking devices sitting around on those pretty tables and usually avoid walking in. What changed?
Not much. Apple is still the most crowded store in the mall.
 
I live in Buffalo, but I have been to this particular mall several times recently and it's a pain in the ass to get in and out of.
 
The Square One Apple Store is one of the better locations in the GTA. It's going to be interesting to see how a curved version of the old location will look. Also I wonder if the foot traffic will increase since it's now right above the food court.
 
I remember when this used to be an exciting thing. A chance to go see a retail store by a brand that made really cool futuristic stuff. Now I pass by these stores in the mall and see the same looking devices sitting around on those pretty tables and usually avoid walking in. What changed?
Something that changed as far as I am concerned, is a thoroughly miserable in-store experience with no queue, being passed from pillar to post, with no idea what is going on. "Hey, go and let the guy over there with the curly hair know.." So you approach said person, and he is surrounded by at least half a dozen people who may or not be in a queue, then he marches off to do who knows what as he types furiously into his device, and you look back at the previous person who "helped" and they are either long gone or also surrounded by people a bubble of people who may or may not be queueing. It is absolutely awful.
 
One day I would be curious to visit an Apple Store as I have never been to one.

I do know we get quite a few people in our store who prefer dealing with us rather than go to the Apple Store in Ottawa. The most common reason given is partially age related—they feel the generally younger staff often get too technical and the customers often feel lost as if trying to understand a different language.

I stress to my coworkers—remember that while product knowledge is good you are actually selling benefit rather than just hardware. This makes the customers feel they ate actually being heard by someone who understands their needs.
 


Apple today announced that it will be opening a new retail store at the Square One shopping mall in the Canadian city of Mississauga, Ontario, a suburb of Toronto. Apple's existing store in the mall will be permanently closed.

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The new Apple Square One

"A brand-new Apple Store is coming soon," the store's page says. The teaser message was spotted by Michael Steeber, who writes a weekly newsletter about Apple retail called Tabletops, and tipster Apollo Zhao also alerted us to the news.

The new store is located on the second floor of Square One, above the central food court, and it has a very wide, partially-curved facade.

Apple's existing store at Square One opened in August 2009. The new location is significantly larger, and it will better accommodate the heavy customer traffic at Square One, the second-largest indoor shopping mall in Canada.

Apple has yet to share an exact opening date for the new store, and the company did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Article Link: Apple Teases New Store 'Coming Soon' at Square One Mall Near Toronto
I am so getting my next MacBook there
 
One day I would be curious to visit an Apple Store as I have never been to one.

I do know we get quite a few people in our store who prefer dealing with us rather than go to the Apple Store in Ottawa. The most common reason given is partially age related—they feel the generally younger staff often get too technical and the customers often feel lost as if trying to understand a different language.

I stress to my coworkers—remember that while product knowledge is good you are actually selling benefit rather than just hardware. This makes the customers feel they ate actually being heard by someone who understands their needs.

The nice thing about Apple Stores compared to any reseller is the return policy; Apple is basically no-questions-asked (including on AirPods etc), and while I don't return often, it's nice having that assurance versus resellers who usually will give you a hard time.
 
Toronto is still sorely lacking a downtown flagship store.

I hope Apple has a new location after the failed plans at Yonge and Bloor.
 
The nice thing about Apple Stores compared to any reseller is the return policy; Apple is basically no-questions-asked (including on AirPods etc), and while I don't return often, it's nice having that assurance versus resellers who usually will give you a hard time.
We will refuse a return only if the device is physically damaged or the return window is past, but in some cases we will make an exception.
 
Toronto is still sorely lacking a downtown flagship store.

I hope Apple has a new location after the failed plans at Yonge and Bloor.

Eaton Centre is still a “flagship”, even as it’s no longer a new flagship.

Whatever the finished outcome of “The One” at 1 Bloor West — whichever developer-builder completes the project — it is my understanding Apple still have first right for refusal on the allocated, finished retail space. So although much-delayed, Apple may still end up expanding there after shuttering the Eaton Centre location.
 
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