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Christopher Kim

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It’s the tax on the value of the trade in, not the purchase.
So you are saying they will add tax refund on the trade in value? The tax value on my trade in was 0. The trade in was not taxed nor did I see a tax refund. I am struggling to understand how this process would work otherwise.
Yes - I haven't done this before but have seen a number of stories on these forums that in the US (maybe only applies to certain states), the trade-in value effectively reduces the sale price of the new purchase, and thus, the amount of sales tax charged on the new purchase is less.

I was initially quite surprised about that too, as I assumed that the purchase price for sales tax calculation purposes would remain the same, and the trade-in value is effectively a separate transaction (eg. selling your device to Apple), and you use that credit against the new purchase - but it's all just done simultaneously for ease of transaction.

But it appears that when you do at the same time (or 14 days after purchase where they still allow you to apply trade-in value as refund to credit card, not a gift card separately) you essentially are getting the value of trade-in x (1+tax rate) in trade-in value, which is applied against the full after-tax purchase price of the new Apple device. This is because mathematically, it's the same as if your pre-tax trade-in value is deducted from the pre-tax new device cost, and then you only pay sales tax on the net amount.
 

startergo

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Yes - I haven't done this before but have seen a number of stories on these forums that in the US
That is not how it works. I just tested it. First I selected my trade in:
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Then I selected my product:
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As you can see credit is subtracted from the final value after the taxes.
 
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Christopher Kim

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That is not how it works. I just tested it. First I selected my trade in:

Then I selected my product:
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As you can see credit is subtracted from the final value after the taxes.

Even though mechanically your trade-in value is applied to the final value after taxes, the way it would apparently work when sending in the trade-in value like this in mail (or applying in person <14 days from purchase) not doing at a store at the same time, is that the actual trade-in value credit you receive is what you were quoted (eg. $370) + sales tax (so if sales tax is 8%, you get a total credit of $399.6).

Effectively / mathematically, that's the same as if the $370 trade-in was applied pre-tax to your purchase, and then you were charged sales tax on the net amount (eg. $1,329 - $370)

Again, I'm not saying this is for sure the case (as I haven't actually done it before), just explaining how others have said it would work.
 

startergo

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Again, I'm not saying this is for sure the case (as I haven't actually done it before), just explaining how others have said it would work.
Highly doubt that. Unless someone can prove with screenshots, it is better not to imply that as the users may be misled to the wrong assumption.
 

Christopher Kim

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Did a quick search, and found these 2 threads I had read earlier where this was discussed. The 2nd thread, "Trade-In Question", has some good discussion on this exact point.

The punchline is that it appears, just like car sales from a dealer where you trade-in your old car (and you only pay sales tax on the net amount - ie. the trade-in value essentially reduces your pre-tax purchase price), you can do the same thing with Apple with a linked new purchase / trade-in (ie. not a normal trade-in where you get a gift card).



Edit: should add that this may vary state to state within the US
 

Mlrollin91

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Did a quick search, and found these 2 threads I had read earlier where this was discussed. The 2nd thread, "Trade-In Question", has some good discussion on this exact point.

The punchline is that it appears, just like car sales from a dealer where you trade-in your old car (and you only pay sales tax on the net amount - ie. the trade-in value essentially reduces your pre-tax purchase price), you can do the same thing with Apple with a linked new purchase / trade-in (ie. not a normal trade-in where you get a gift card).



Edit: should add that this may vary state to state within the US
Yes, as your edit indicates, this varies by state. This is not the case in California.
 

Christopher Kim

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Yes, as your edit indicates, this varies by state. This is not the case in California.

I was interested in which states this is the case and I tried to do some digging around. I searched for the car purchase w/ trade-in case, because I think that’s analogous to the Apple situation, and would probably have a better chance of having articles about it.

Looks like the number of states that don’t allow this (“this” meaning the case where having a simultaneous trade-in reduces the pre-tax cost of the purchase that sales tax is applied to) are just 7 of out the 50 states. California (as you mentioned), Hawaii, Kentucky, Maryland, Michigan, Montana and Virginia. Oregon has no sales tax period. And the remaining 42 allow you to do what these forum posts have said, where doing the trade-in simultaneously/linked to the purchase allows the trade-in to be applied pre-tax, and thus reduce your overall sales tax bill.

Too bad for us! (I live in LA too, so good to know!)

This was the article that came up on my google search… Just assuming it’s right.

 

startergo

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I was interested in which states this is the case and I tried to do some digging around. I searched for the car purchase w/ trade-in case, because I think that’s analogous to the Apple situation, and would probably have a better chance of having articles about it.

Looks like the number of states that don’t allow this (“this” meaning the case where having a simultaneous trade-in reduces the pre-tax cost of the purchase that sales tax is applied to) are just 7 of out the 50 states. California (as you mentioned), Hawaii, Kentucky, Maryland, Michigan, Montana and Virginia. Oregon has no sales tax period. And the remaining 42 allow you to do what these forum posts have said, where doing the trade-in simultaneously/linked to the purchase allows the trade-in to be applied pre-tax, and thus reduce your overall sales tax bill.

Too bad for us! (I live in LA too, so good to know!)

This was the article that came up on my google search… Just assuming it’s right.

Well, I live in Florida and I did not get tax refunds on the trade-ins. So, this theory is limping.
 

Christopher Kim

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Well, I live in Florida and I did not get tax refunds on the trade-ins. So, this theory is limping.
But didn’t you get your trade-in credit onto gift cards? And then applied those gift cards as partial methods of payment when you bought your Mac Studio?

If so, then I don’t think you would get the sales tax credit on the trade-ins. I think once you get the trade-in value onto gift cards, it’s a separate transaction (because you could apply those gift cards to anything / give them to anyone). This would only work when the trade-in and new purchase are ”linked” such that the trade-in value (+ sales tax) gets “refunded” to the credit card you used to purchase the new device.

If I’m mistaken and that is what you did and you still didn’t get the ”tax refund”, then my theory is bust and I don’t know what’s going on.
 

bushman4

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Apples Trade in program is good
I’ve used It several times without problem. Highly recommended.
 
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