That's like saying you can compare Hyundi's and Jaguars because they look the same and are both cars.
You can. Engine type, horse power, type of brakes, seats, miles per gallon, weight etc etc.
That's like saying you can compare Hyundi's and Jaguars because they look the same and are both cars.
That's like saying you can compare Hyundi's and Jaguars because they look the same and are both cars.
Yes integrated graphics are "fine" for what the Macbook does. But it would be better with a real GPU. Don't you guys remember what Apple said about integrated graphics before they suddenly u-turned and put them in their products?
The MacBooks are brilliant computers. But Apple has purposely built an achillies heel into them in the form of the integrated graphics. The fact that discrete graphics are cheap enough to put in thetv is a real kick in the teeth of those who would love to see a go 7300 in their MacBook.
That's like saying you can compare Hyundi's and Jaguars because they look the same and are both cars.
I'm sick of this lame excuse...
Um yeah, you can compare them....
Exactly...this is the same as the combo drive debate.
It would be nice if apple put a cmobo drive, and more ram, and dedicated graphics in the macbook, but they don't.
They are two distinctive markets.
You are seeing conspiracy where there is none. Integrated graphics vs dedicates was probably a design decision probably based on cost, battery life, cooling, and space at the time the MB was designed *NOT* based on crippling one of the three Intel platforms that Apple was releasing.
Exactly...this is the same as the combo drive debate.
It would be nice if apple put a cmobo drive, and more ram, and dedicated graphics in the macbook, but they don't.
Why?
Because there is a group of people out there that don't need either one, and usually would prefer to NOT have them if it means raising prices in any way.
...and come one guys, since when are macs really aimed towards the gaming market anyways? THere are a handful of games available, but that isn't where apple is directing the develpopment of their machines.
The fact is, to use iLife, all the bundled software that comes with your macbook, and the other similar applications available, you don't NEED a separate graphics card.
Sure for the same price you probably can get those things in a PC, but I don't WANT a pc. I want OSX, I want iLife, and I want the seamless integration between the hardware features (isight/multitouch trackpad) and that environment. Those things increase the base price of the item.
If you don't think those details are worth the extra money, then BUY A PC.
You will get your DVD burner, and your dedicated card, and I will sit here laughing my ass off as your system crashes, and you search for drivers.
Rubbish. Utter garabge. THEY ARE BOTH COMPUTERS. We're not comparing a cow and the space shuttle here.
topgunn said:Apple did not put the GMA950 in the Macbook to save money. They did it to make money. It is just another way that Apple tries to up-sell you. If the Macbook had a go7300 in it, Macbook Pro sales would drop considerably.
So why did you buy a computer from a company who you believe deliberately cripples many of it's own systems and over prices their hardware?
I will say it again PC's and Mac's do not compete for the same buyers.
I will say it again PC's and Mac's do not compete for the same buyers.
Okay, okay, don't complain, wait for this:
http://www.intel.com/products/chipsets/gma3000/gma3000.pdf
Amen.
Apple said:An integrated Intel graphics chip steals power from the CPU and siphons off memory from system-level RAM.
So why did you buy a computer from a company who you believe deliberately cripples many of it's own systems and over prices their hardware?
I will say it again PC's and Mac's do not compete for the same buyers.
Or maybe not. The iBook had dedicated video, but it did not scalp BP sales... why would this scenario been different?
4) I don't know how this "decent GPUs are for pros" idea got started. There's exactly one pro app that NEEDS a decent GPU (Motion). Other apps will use the GPU, but don't need it.
Ok, so if nobody except gamers needs a decent GPU why all this belly aching about the GPU in the macbook?
Ok, so if nobody except gamers needs a decent GPU why all this belly aching about the GPU in the macbook?
MrGreen said:The people who need decent GPUs are average consumers and some pros. The typical family used computer will likely be expected to play a couple games here and there, whereas a designers system isn't.
Why do so many people who purchased the CONSUMER model think they can buy for cheap and have the luxuries of something else. I mean, in the history of any Apple laptop - show me any single laptop for $1000 that has the value the MacBook gives. I mean come on, this is cheap!