Apple TV+ 'Monsterverse' Show Filming in 3D for Vision Pro Viewing

[trip1ex]

Best I can tell, there is ZERO intent of Vpro to "replace." It adds screens- virtual ones- any size, any shape, any quantity to the mix. When one wants a group watching/playing experience, they can still use the (physical) screens they already have. Play Switch with the kids on the TV because that's the best screen for that activity. Watch movies with the family on the TV because that's the best screen for that activity. In the office, gather around the TV, projector or someone's desktop monitor to collaborate together because you all happen to be at the same location and that is the best way.

Apple Inc being Apple Inc probably does NOT want anyone consolidating down from owning Macs, iPads and iPhones even if Vpro could conceptually replace them all. They want this to be an addition for some added function, like iPad vs. iPhone and Watch vs. iPhone and CarPlay vs. iPhone, etc. They want the revenue of selling EVERYTHING to us even if any one thing could stand in for the rest. Why? 💰💰💰

As to no benefit vs. your one physical monitor, you can't take that one monitor on the road with you (easily). It can't easily be anywhere you happen to be. It is not a laptop or laptop screen. If you never travel anywhere where you need a computer, that's no problem. But if you do travel and need a computer with you bigger than iPhone/iPad, a laptop becomes the current "solution." Against the productive space of your desktop monitor, laptop screens are puny. For me, I find the shift from 40" UW to 16" MB a big detriment to productivity on the road. Vpro MAY be a way to have that 40" or your 24" wherever I/you go, instead of settling for 16" or 10" or 8" or 6".

The demo shows two ways to use a full keyboard & mouse anywhere you are with Vpro... be that Magic Keyboard + Mouse or MB keyboard. While there are ways to interact with hand motions and virtual keyboards too, Apple clearly illustrated using physical input devices and even being able to see one's own hands on those devices while also seeing output on virtual screens.

As to "useful, profitable and beneficial": EVERY kind of screen-based tech we currently use seems to be trying to find a way to grow screen RE. Why is foldable phones a thing? Why are there also foldable laptop screens? Why are companies working on rollable screens? Why isn't all iMac people happy with 24" instead of 27"? Why was the 15" Air so desirable when the 13" is the SAME computer and costs less?

More screen RE is quite useful. You likely have a 24" monitor instead of a smaller one because 24" is more useful to you than 20" or 16" or 12" or just using an iPad or iPhone screen. Why did you pay up for 24" instead of saving money on a smaller screen? When that one conks, will you replace it with another 24" or will you opt to buy more screen RE in something bigger? If the latter, why? Why not go smaller?

More screen RE can be more profitable because more screen RE typically allows people to spread things out and get their work done more quickly. Productivity goes up when one can spend more time doing their profit-seeking work and less time shifting on-screen stuff around a limited workspace. Why does Apple promote the number of screens some Macs can use as displays at the same time. Because some people want multiple screens. Why? Because they want the added space to do whatever they do.

More screen RE can be more beneficial because that spread lets us more effectively work with our computers. That's why I chose to pay Apple Studio Display prices for a 40" UW screen. The leap in productivity vs. my former iMac 27" screen is HUGE. If I could somehow roll or fold it into a portable, laptop-like package, that thing would be my road screen too. But physical screens aren't like that. We carry a small screen in a laptop or less because bigger screens at about 20" and above are simply impractical to carry everywhere to have at the ready. Apple could likely make you a 24" MB, but it would be HEAVY and HUGE and likely impractical as a laptop.

Vpro offers a way for you to have that 24" (and me that 40" UW) screen wherever you/I happen to be... or TWO+ of them if it would serve some purpose. And in those situations where it is just you, you can have ANY size TV/movie screen, iPad screen, iPhone screen too. Does that mean you can't have a TV, iPad, iPhone, etc as well? Of course not! But it does mean that the big TV could be on the airplane with you, or in the hotel, etc. I can only see great utility in that... FINALLY... a way to have big screens that doesn't require so much more aluminum, hinges, etc to accomplish the same with physical screens in mobile devices.

It's OK for you to see no practical use for it. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But just because you don't see anything here, doesn't mean anyone else can't too. More to much more screen RE anywhere one happens to be has tremendous utility for those who can ever feel any wish for it... especially if it doesn't come with trying to carry around big screen TVs or 20"-40"+ monitors, etc.

Every thread on this site that is basically discussing bigger screen anything has a new kind of potential solution "coming next year." And whether that is bigger screen iPhone or biggest screen movie screen, this solution weighs the same and takes up the same amount of physical space to deliver ANY size and any number of screens in a pretty portable package that could go with us as easily as a laptop goes with us now. Those already lugging around a bag to have their laptop or iPad with them at all times will have a new option... one that "shatters" that hard boundary of physical screen RE in traditional computing devices.

without replacement this thing isn't going to take off anytime soon. too expensive of a novelty.

and yes you can have any size screen with this but with caveats like having to wear a box on your face and all the tradeoffs that go along with that. that's the big hurdle.

IF you use it as a laptop then it's a replacement device? I mean why would you go back to using a laptop if this is so great? why would you buy this to use as a part time laptop? hard sell. would need a keyboard/mouse tho for typing up long posts I would think.

screens grow to a point. They don't keep growing to the sky. I have a 24" monitor because that's the standard size nowadays. and good enough. Maybe in the future the standard will move up to 27" or 32" (and 24" goes away in the marketplace.) but maybe it will stay at 24". IT's a balance between need and price and ergonomics. I can only focus on one thing at a time too so my need for ever more real estate for a monitor is limited by that.

Also while I could make use of all the wall space in my house and stick post-its all throughout my home, I don't. There is a limit to how much space I need for post-it notes. I don't even stick them all over an entire wall.

sure a lot of people want an even bigger iPhone screen but they don't want to carry around goggles to get it. because they still want to be able to carry around the iPhone in their pocket. I mean I could carry an iPad instead of an iPhone but I don't. Why? too big for the pocket.

And tv? People do like a bigger tv screen. With the constraints being price mainly and then size of the room and transporting it and maybe energy usage then perhaps how often it is used. I have a 55" screen on the wall in my office. I sit fairly close to it so ...not jonesing for a bigger screen. and there is a hard limit to how big a tv I would like in that room even if I could magically wish it on the wall tomorrow. I think the entire wall would be overkill. Probably would be too much considering I'm usually sitting about 6' away from it.

And one of the side effects of a box on the face is my son can't come up and sit on the couch with me and watch a show. We can't play Switch games together. I can't sit and watch a movie together with the wife. I don't want to get into how sad we would be if we both had headsets on while watching a movie together on the couch.

anyway to me you're overly focused and infatuated with screen size lol. I don't think most people are as extreme as you seem to be. And I think the box on the face is a big hurdle even to most of those that wish for a bigger screen.

 

[HobeSoundDarryl]

Perhaps I'm the great exception then. I DO see this as laptop replacement. My #1 gripe about even a 16" MB is how unproductive I feel on that relatively tiny screen. What I'd really like is the bottom half of a MB and Vpro subbing in for the lid. If it will do that one thing as well as implied in the demo, that is very likely my next "laptop."

Curiously, I DO carry around a cellular iPad Mini which doubles as my "iPhone" (VOIP app + buds for calls, texting is the same, all other apps seem better on a bigger screen). That works very well for me, costs substantially less than iPhone + service and I don't feel like I miss a thing.

I'm not overly focused on screen size. My focus is bringing the big screens on which I'm most productive or entertained AWAY from where they are permanently affixed... so I could have the same experience wherever I happen to be. That 55" in your office that is fine for you won't get on that airplane with you to entertain you as you make a long flight... or be in the hotel when you get to your destination. But a virtual copy could... as could a virtual copy of the 24" monitor you most enjoy using.

There is this "cost" of wearing a" box on my face"... but that's as needed... like pulling a brick of glass out of our pockets for iPhone uses or pulling a laptop out of a bag for computing purposes. Many flyers pull something that looks towards as sizable out of their bag and put it on their head: headphones... and they've done that for many years. It's quite "normal" to see that on about any flight. I've often done that too, sometimes pulling sunglasses down to cover eyes to "darken the room" at the same time. One might call that something towards TWO "boxes" on my head but it neither bothers me, nor seems to disturb anyone around me. This likely WOULD be more noticeable at first... and then people will get accustomed to it- just like people wearing headphones in flight- and then the "notice" would fade like it has long since done with headphones.

I imagine using Vpro just like I use a laptop now: out when I need a screen and put away when finished. It's not permanently "wearing." It's on when I need a screen- just like a laptop is opened when I need a screen... then off when I'm finished- just like a laptop gets put away when finished using it.

Perhaps the big difference is that I DO travel quite a bit, while your posts seem to imply you are an infrequent traveler. If I was infrequently away from home/office, then I too could see less utility... perhaps not even needing a regular laptop since I have a great desktop (and home theater) setup. But my first post was about the utility of "laptop replacement" that comes with a bonus of virtual screens of all sizes. And I still easily see that for myself, see great value in that and look forward to my own, in-person demo to see if the experience of Vpro is as good as it appeared in the marketing demo. If so, I see a much bigger screen Apple laptop... which, if Apple actually made such a thing in physical form... would likely easily be priced as high as Vpro if not higher.

 

[trip1ex]

Perhaps I'm the great exception then. I DO see this as laptop replacement. My #1 gripe about even a 16" MB is how unproductive I feel on that relatively tiny screen. What I'd really like is the bottom half of a MB and Vpro subbing in for the lid. If it will do that one thing as well as implied in the demo, that is very likely my next "laptop."

Curiously, I DO carry around a cellular iPad Mini which doubles as my "iPhone" (VOIP app + buds for calls, texting is the same, all other apps seem better on a bigger screen). That works very well for me, costs substantially less than iPhone + service and I don't feel like I miss a thing.

I'm not overly focused on screen size. My focus is bringing the big screens on which I'm most productive or entertained AWAY from where they are permanently affixed... so I could have the same experience wherever I happen to be. That 55" in your office that is fine for you won't get on that airplane with you to entertain you as you make a long flight... or be in the hotel when you get to your destination. But a virtual copy could... as could a virtual copy of the 24" monitor you most enjoy using.

There is this "cost" of wearing a" box on my face"... but that's as needed... like pulling a brick of glass out of our pockets for iPhone uses or pulling a laptop out of a bag for computing purposes. Many flyers pull something that looks towards as sizable out of their bag and put it on their head: headphones... and they've done that for many years. It's quite "normal" to see that on about any flight. I've often done that too, sometimes pulling sunglasses down to cover eyes to "darken the room" at the same time. One might call that something towards TWO "boxes" on my head but it neither bothers me, nor seems to disturb anyone around me. This likely WOULD be more noticeable at first... and then people will get accustomed to it- just like people wearing headphones in flight- and then the "notice" would fade like it has long since done with headphones.

I imagine using Vpro just like I use a laptop now: out when I need a screen and put away when finished. It's not permanently "wearing." It's on when I need a screen- just like a laptop is opened when I need a screen... then off when I'm finished- just like a laptop gets put away when finished using it.

Perhaps the big difference is that I DO travel quite a bit, while your posts seem to imply you are an infrequent traveler. If I was infrequently away from home/office, then I too could see less utility... perhaps not even needing a regular laptop since I have a great desktop (and home theater) setup. But my first post was about the utility of "laptop replacement" that comes with a bonus of virtual screens of all sizes. And I still easily see that for myself, see great value in that and look forward to my own, in-person demo to see if the experience of Vpro is as good as it appeared in the marketing demo. If so, I see a much bigger screen Apple laptop... which, if Apple actually made such a thing in physical form... would likely easily be priced as high as Vpro if not higher.

people aren't going to buy a $3500 device just for the airplane as a rule of thumb lol. That is a narrow use case and not a mainstream one. $3500 earning 10%/yr could buy you a domestic plane ticket every year.


and yes you're overly focused on screen size. Most people just don't have that obsession with screen size. You're carrying an iPad mini instead of an iPhone for crying out loud. I know of zero people who do that. I never see anyone walking around with an iPad Mini in their hand when I'm out and about instead of a phone.

a box on the face is a hurdle. sunglasses are a fashion item as much as anything and function wise they keep light away from the eyes sort to speak. And are very lightweight. And can be had for $50 or less.

A box on the face does the opposite - it puts light bulbs in front of your eyes. Put a relatively heavy weight on your face. Heat around your face. And of course high initial price. The comfort and looks level plus price not close to sunglasses.