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Well that is a big disappointment.

I guess I can stop waiting for a new Apple TV and just buy myself a Mac Mini now.

I can't help but feel Apple/Steve Jobs are making a big mistake on not taking the HTPC market more serious.

I feel pretty disheartened with the fact Apple only seems interested in something now if they can get people to pay for content. Apple used to be a hardware focused company, but now they are all about people paying for media/apps.

Since most people aren't interested in paying for over-priced, drm-filled iTunes movies/TV content Apple is not interested in the Apple TV.

Such a shame.:(
 
Don't remind me :( The premiums are ~$40 a month. With Dish raising the damn receiver fees, I'm thinking about dropping a dvr and the premiums, grab a standalone BR player and start using Netflix again. Unless I can find a Redbox that has BR in my area.

So, do you still think it's more expensive in the 'long run' with AppleTV instead of Dish/DirecTV or cable?
 
So, do you still think it's more expensive in the long run with AppleTV instead of Dish/DirecTV or cable?

Probably not. But in my case, with 4 dvrs, not feasible to replace Dish with an AppleTV. BTW, can anyone confirm ATVs come with the new apple remote? Apple Store still shows the white one, but I called and the rep stated the new remote is included.
 
Gut feeling is that the Mac Mini and Apple TV will be combined in the future.

Maybe just wishful thinking on my part.

If you are suggesting some kind of Apple Media Server, then I'm on board. I am constantly adding media content to my iTunes library, and having to also use my iMac as a media server taxes its processing capacity and clogs my network. I would love to have a media server that could feed my ATVs without involving my Mac.
 
Need we forget..Sony and T.W. catalogue

Please remember that about 70% of the movies are under Time Warner / Sony...why whould they want anything other than to license via BluRay. Once they open this to Apple, they would probaby lose a lot of money on their BluRay sales licenses. I dont see them opening up the catalogues and allowing Apple to be the winner...one could argue it would be a great joint venture, but I dont see that happening...

your thoughts?
http://www.bloggingstocks.com/2008/01/07/sony-shares-increase-after-time-warner-gets-behind-blu-ray/

This is why limited Apple TV penetration and Steve Jobs still (rightfully so) calling ATV a hobby.
 
I don't care what Steve says. Apple wants to be in the living room no matter what. If it doesn't come in the form of an AppleTV, it will be something else. Not a question of if but when. We will have TV's with Apps on them eventually.

I think the iPad puts them in the living room. Not on the TV, but on the couch.

Not the same thing though ;)
 
Please remember that about 70% of the movies are under Time Warner / Sony...why whould they want anything other than to license via BluRay. Once they open this to Apple, they would probaby lose a lot of money on their BluRay sales licenses. I dont see them opening up the catalogues and allowing Apple to be the winner...one could argue it would be a great joint venture, but I dont see that happening...

your thoughts?
http://www.bloggingstocks.com/2008/01/07/sony-shares-increase-after-time-warner-gets-behind-blu-ray/

This is why limited Apple TV penetration and Steve Jobs still (rightfully so) calling ATV a hobby.

First of all, Sony and Warner Bros (no longer Time Warner) don’t control 70 percent of films. Have you heard of a little company called Disney or one called Universal?

And Sony already licenses their movie content to Apple for both purchase and rental. It’s on the iTunes Store right now. And Warner Bros. does too.

In fact, Warner Bros. even ships iTunes-compatible digital copies with their DVD and Blu-ray discs giving you a “free" iTunes version with each purchase.

Angels and Demons (Sony),

http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewMovie?id=329942747&s=143441

Harry Potter (WB),

http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewMovie?id=326568786&s=143441
 
Not bad for a hobby.

I don't really care about the online content, like hulu or netflix.

I have almost 2tb of music and movies, mostly movies, streaming to my TV, mac, iphone, and soon ipad.


Love the ecosystem.
 
Explain this???

So why arent more titles available then in iTunes?????

Especially HD

First of all, Sony and Warner Bros (no longer Time Warner) don’t control 70 percent of films. Have you heard of a little company called Disney or one called Universal?

And Sony already licenses their movie content to Apple for both purchase and rental. It’s on the iTunes Store right now. And Warner Bros. does too.

In fact, Warner Bros. even ships iTunes-compatible digital copies with their DVD and Blu-ray discs giving you a “free" iTunes version with each purchase.

Angels and Demons (Sony),

http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewMovie?id=329942747&s=143441

Harry Potter (WB),

http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewMovie?id=326568786&s=143441
 
So why arent more titles available then in iTunes?????

Especially HD

Ask the studios.

I’ve found that most studios clear certain titles for digital distribution, and those same titles are available across all the major digital stores (iTunes, Amazon Unbox, Zune Marketplace, PlayStation Network, etc).

Every once in a while, one store will have a title exclusively for short amount of time. For example, Angels and Demons was exclusive to the Zune Marketplace the first week of release.

As for HD, iTunes only carries HD movies by Paramount, Disney, MGM, Lions Gate and some smaller studios like United Artists, Summit, Lakeshore, Dimension, etc for purchase, and those plus Universal, Warner Bros and Fox for rental (on Apple TV only).

It’s for sure frustrating, but the amount HD rental and purchase content on iTunes has really dramatically increased over the last year. So, hopefully it’ll continue.

As for Sony, they may be holding back HD movies from iTunes because of Blu-ray. However, I’m not sure they even offer HD movies to anyone (including themselves on the PSN).

It could be Blu-ray, the fact that they think 720p is too low a resolution, don’t like the hard price of $19.99 for HD movies or even the risk of Apple’s DRM being broken, etc. We just don’t know.
 
So why arent more titles available then in iTunes?????

Especially HD

I hadn't noticed a dearth of titles...to me, it seems like there are a lot of HD ones, but then again, I am not a moviephile so perhaps the hundreds of titles are not enough for most folks...they do a good job of having the hits and classics...at least movies that interest me, even obscure documentary titles have been some nice discoveries.

BUT, assuming that you feel more titles are in order...and that is a fair desire: I would think that perhaps Apple is wary about overloading their servers by making many more 1-3GB titles available for download. Bandwidth and server load to push out these HD files and make the experience a generally pleasant one for all is limited and if there were hundreds more HD movies available and that led to an extra 100 HD downloads a day, that could surely tax the servers.

Maybe I am just coming up with excuses, but it seems reasonable. At the same time, it may be the main reason why Apple has not yet embraced 1080p? They want the viewing and downloading experience to be one with very few problems. Increasing the file size would add to download time and suck up more bandwidth and server power and possibly lead to dealys for folks.
 
My ATV is fine for what it is advertised to do. I am not going to be connected to the world via only movies and podcasts, so I will always have DirecTv.

The infrastructure is a hobby.
 
So why arent more titles available then in iTunes?????

Especially HD
Long story short iTunes is extremely low on the totem pole when it comes to movie distribution because it's not very popular (IIRC, it accounts for only a fraction of a percent of an average movie's revenue). The distribution rights for films (as well as TV shows) are much more complicated than they are for music and all of these revenue generating avenues are well established and 'get dibs' over the iTunes store because of how much money they make. In the US alone you have theatrical, pay-per-view, DVD rentals, DVD sales, network TV, cable TV, etc., and none of these guys want to feel Apple is getting to undercut them for what they spent 10's, if not 100's, of millions of dollars for. For example, a couple of years ago SpikeTV won out in a bidding war for the exclusive broadcast rights for the 6 Star Wars films to the tune of $65mil.

Web distribution will continue to grow and as it does it will become more of a major player than it is now, but studios aren't going to piss off the people that pay the bills for the people that promise they'll be able to pay the bills at some unknown point in time down the road.


Lethal
 
So why arent more titles available then in iTunes?????

Especially HD
I've previewed a good number of movies on the Apple TV and it seems like 30% of the movies are available for either HD purchase or rental. This means that there are literally thousands of HD movie titles on the Apple TV which is probably close to the number of Blu-ray titles that are offered on Amazon (Amazon claims over 2,500 Blu-ray discs). Further, if you add in the HD TV shows then you're talking about many thousands of HD titles and that's a lot more HD than you will find at any bricks-and-mortar store.

Now, of course, I'm completely aware that the iTunes Store's HD is just barely HD by any reasonable definition. Also (IMO), the HD rentals and the base HD purchase prices are both too high. Frankly, iTunes rental prices (both SD and HD) need to drop by at least one dollar per title (that would be fair, but still not a great value).
 
Why are Apple incapable of concentrating on more than a couple of products at a time?
 
When Apple eventually release an Apple TV, people will say it is just a giant iPad.
 
What is Jobs’ problem with the Apple TV?

I guess he sees the Apple TV as a dying market since the set-top box business will likely be replaced by HDTVs with integrated media features (Netflix, Vuuduu, Amazon Box, etc) eventually.

But it seems like Jobs is drawing a line in the sand with TV show and movie content.

Apple hasn’t updated the Apple TV since it shipped in 2007. Jobs calls it a hobby. They haven’t updated Front Row since 2007. The current version of Front Row is based on Apple TV OS 1.0. Apple refuses to support Blu-ray. There’s no HDMI support on the Mac mini. And they won’t license FairPlay to other companies.

Their stance is just bizarre. Are they trying to make it as hard as possible to play iTunes content on your TV?

If Apple doesn’t do something soon, I’m done purchasing TV show and movie content from iTunes.

I’ll buy DVDs and Blu-rays and rip them with Handbrake. I’m not going to be tied to watching TV show and movie content just on my Mac and iPhone. You would think the living room would be one of Apple’s top priorities for iTunes content.

No wrong on so many levels.

Firstly TV piped into your home is an industry in decline, they might not be losing customers yet, but viewing figures are down and are increasingly being lost to the internet. The lounge is becoming the disconnected room of yesterday, while people surf the web in the spare bedroom. Wireless internet and the growing popularity of Notebooks and Netbooks, has helped to bring people back to the lounge, but does't really help the TV industry. In fact bringing the internet and social media to TV's is a big focus for the TV industry as a whole, from TV manufactures to service providers. Providing TV and movies on demand is another focus too.

AppleTV is a good solution and although the hardware hasn't really been updated, the software has seen a number of updates including an interface change recently in 2009. Apple doesn't update the interface of software that is going to be mothballed, just look at applications that Apple has phased out in the past, many of them have been stuck with the same an outdated look, before disappearing.

Optical media such as DVD and Blu-ray will find it harder to compete against online alternatives, I mean you don't even have to leave the house or wait for the post, it just downloads and you've got it. As more people are buying their music online, more will buy their movies online too.

So Apple has iTunes, the worlds most popular online media store, and it has AppleTV that can play anything you buy on your TV wirelessly, forgetting other feature, that's a powerful combination and the main selling point.

So what's wrong with it? Well it doesn't replace your digital set-top box or game consoles, it's not as simple as it could be (most libraries are bigger than the internal storage of AppleTV so switching on your computer is necessary) - acting as media server would be better, it doesn't simplify the mind-boggling cable mess behind your tv, and it's lacking in wow features that a service like the App store could bring (skype in the lounge would be amazing). All of this means it's not a game changer, just Apple is participating in an industry that no one knows what to do with.

I think the living room is a big focus for Apple, it's clearly looking at creating the connected home, so the AppleTV idea is hear to stay, what it will morph into is another question.
 
Well, instead of paying 85 bucks a month I have paid about $150 bucks total for complete seasons of our favorite shows....a one-time purchase. We also watch many not-so-favs over-the-air in HD. So far, 6-months later, we are hundreds ahead of the game.

I also don't have a BluRay player and prob won't buy one anytime soon and rent movies once or twice a month in all their HD glory. Again...still saving hundreds in the last 6 months compared to having DirecTV (or Dish in your case).

Heck, with all the premium channels on Dish that you have I assume you are paying closer to twice what my monthly cost was, so your cost savings would be even greater than mine.


That's pretty much our set up as well. When we moved to the D.C. area we just never bought cable or dish. We probably get 25 or so free OTA channels (most in HD) and then we bought an appleTV. No blu-ray either (or dvd player). I have to say it's been working very well and we won't go back to paid TV while we live here. We are not big TV watchers so this just makes sense. We use the appletv to watch movies and TV shows I record with eyeTV on the Mac, we've also been using the appletv alot to listen to internet radio. I was skeptical and would love an upgrade but I have to say for our needs I'm pretty happy with the appletv. I think the HD movies look good on our 47" Samsung (not as good as the HD OTA of course) and it's filling the void of paid TV nicely. I'm very happy at not shelling out 120+ a month to Comcast.

On a related note I'll make a pitch for the "build your own" HD antenna instructions you can find on the internet. It's ridiculous....a peice of 1x4, some metal coat hangers and a balum (+ a small amp) are performing way better than the 80 dollar antenna I bought at Best Buy. It looks a bit medieval but if you were wondering, yes they work great.
 
Well I think it's true that Itunes isn't ready to support 1080p yet. The Ipad is going to support up to 720p so no rush to get to 1080p from apple perspective yet. I'm sure the studios want to protect their other clients and it's no secret they don't like Apple. Direct TV offer VOD 1080p movies, but those are instantaneously DL to your VCR now waiting involved in DL. From Apple Perspective why should they invest in retooling the ATV when these conditions exists. Jobs isn't going to spell this out he's just gonna give a simplistic answer.

For me Apple TV is all I really need at this point, I use it mainly for getting rips of my TV show DVD's to my TV and my Ipods and Players. Most of my Content is older shows so the format ATV handles is fine. I can rip up to 720p for the few time I want to put a Hi def show or movie there. It fufills my requirements
 
On a related note I'll make a pitch for the "build your own" HD antenna instructions you can find on the internet. It's ridiculous....a peice of 1x4, some metal coat hangers and a balum (+ a small amp) are performing way better than the 80 dollar antenna I bought at Best Buy. It looks a bit medieval but if you were wondering, yes they work great.

LOL. I've got the medieval antenna too. Works like a charm!
 
LOL. I've got the medieval antenna too. Works like a charm!

I tried it and it didn't seem to improve on the reception I got from my Terk set-top antenna. :/

I recently broke it apart and gave my wife the baking racks for cookie-cooling. ;)
 
I hate my Apple TV. If I wasn't so invested in the platform (2 Apple TV's, a modest amount of iTunes video and over 200 handbraked movies) I would have abandoned it by now. Don't get me wrong, when it works...it's great...unfortunately that's less than half the time. I've been fighting with sync issues for a year now. I've had to use iTunes tech support 4 times for purchased (via ATV) content that disappeared. It's by far the worst Apple product I've ever used with respect to reliability.:mad:
 
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