Apple used to be ahead of the curve

[Vegastouch]

I cant help but think that Apple has DEFITNETLY acknowledged their next update to iOS has to be a big one or people will start to drop them...i read a article where Siri in iOS 7 will be heavily upgraded and will do alot of "cool new things"

Thats what they were saying in here last year after a meager update with iOS5. Not that it cant happen, but seems all you see in here is people hyped to see whats next and it hasnt been a wow factor.

Dont get me wrong, i do like the iPhone but i like features and it just lacks those features and i couldnt go back the way it is now.

 

[nuckinfutz]

i agree, i truly believe iOS 7 is going to give us what we have been waiting for for a long time.. im pretty hyped and positive about iOS 7 and what it will bring... im pretty sure Apple knows that if they dont change around even the homescreen looks or UI.. its gameover for them

LOL. Funniest post of the day.

 

[Bahroo]

Thats what they were saying in here last year after a meager update with iOS5. Not that it cant happen, but seems all you see in here is people hyped to see whats next and it hasnt been a wow factor.

Dont get me wrong, i do like the iPhone but i like features and it just lacks those features and i couldnt go back the way it is now.

Well Forstall was booted a lil while ago...people are saying iOS 7 will have heavy Jony Ivy influence lol..whatever that means but well see where it goes

 

[Vegastouch]

Posts like this are what frustrate me about these forums....

I don't really feel like going into why all of what you said is completely invalid for the upteenth time....but here it goes, the SparkNotes version:

And replies like this are funny. Looks like whoever wrote it is just trying to justify things from a Apple loyalist perspective.

(1) MacBook Pro with the highest resolution laptop display ever. Pretty awesome. Also the engineering of getting the laptop that thin and packing that much power into it was also quite the feat. Things like unorthodox fan designs and such - pricing is pricing, you buy Apple you expect a premium AND that price has since come down (and will likely continue to as the older Pros are phased out).

Yeah dont hold your breath on the price coming down much. You ever see the MB 13.3" come down much? No you dont. Most ive seen is $100 when a new modl is coming out and even then it dont happen much ( on the discount). Usually its only $50.

The new Ultrabooks still dont cost as much as the cheaper 13.3" MB Pro and they have touchscreens and high res monitors while a 13.3" retina display MB Pro is $1499 and no touchscreen.

(2) A .5" is substantial when we're talking about smaller electronics - heck the Galaxy S and Notes have increased at similar rates....yet they are hailed as innovations. And for the love of all that is holy....they changed the aspect ratio to match EVERY OTHER FLAGSHIP SMARTPHONE which are ALL 16:9....this isn't some crazy, abnormally long and skinny phone Apple created....look at the Droid Razr M....SAME. DAMN. DIMENSIONS. I get so sick of people using the whole "its not wider just taller" line....if you want a bigger phone, go buy a bigger phone - pretending Apple did something weird by sizing the phone the way they did is absurd.

Not being wider asside, Apple is just now getting to a 4" display. Welcome to 3 years ago.

(3) *sigh* That smaller iPad is still an iPad and has been a tremendous hit. Those of us who wanted something smaller than the 9.7" iPad didn't want an Android tablet....we wanted an iPad and everything that comes with that.

Of course it has been a tremendous hit. Just like their competitors smaller Tablets have been a tremendous hit. Thus why they made one which was the point. What was your point again?

(4) And the best quote of the day.....most people on these forums wouldn't know what the word innovation meant if Noah Webster was raised from the dead and crammed his entire dictionary down their throats....NFC and wireless charging in their current state aren't innovations either. Flipping over my phone to silence it isn't an innovation either.

Id agree. Most here dont know what innovation is but those things are really nice to have. NFC is great and will be the best thing "Apple invented" once they have it....lol

To a certain degree, the larger screens of the Note and others like it COULD be seen as innovation in that they are creating a market that had previously never existed.....however innovation needs to disrupt the natural order....it should be both massively popular AND change the way we do things.....I hate to break this to you....but there hasn't really been ANY true innovation from ANYONE in quite some time.....because if there was innovation EVERY year, it would cease to be innovation - as at its very core is the idea of something completely revolutionary and unexpected.

You can say whatever you want and it may even have some merit but there is more ideas and innovation(whatever you want to call it) going on by Samsung and Windows than Apple these days.
Maybe Apple is collaborating together to see what they want to copy next and try and improve it like usual.

 

[tech4all]

LOL. Funniest post of the day.

What's even funnier are the fa -- oops that's dirty word here -- Apple customers that'll turn the blind eye or say something ignorant (not saying you) every time something negative is said about the Big Apple.

No Apple won't be "done" if iOS7 isn't 'great.' But face it, people are getting less impressed with iOS. After the Apple Maps mess, yes it was/is a mess, don't deny it. Even Tim Cook admitted it. If Apple doesn't do something amazing soon (And I don't mean making it thinner than ever), people are going to flock to other areas. Plain and simple. Android is a great OS. And Samsung is getting ahead of Apple. I know I'm gonna get called a FanDroid/Apple-hater or w/e. I'm not a fanboy of neither company. They don't pay me, so I won't be their cheerleader or part of the 'AppleGuard' or 'AndroidInfantry.' w/e you wanna call it.

They're computers. Not going to treat them like family. But I will call them out if it's truth. Anything else you're just in denial or somehow in love with Apple/Google/Samsung.

 

[Digital Skunk]

Cute. But you haven't got anything. I never said nor am i saying anything of the sort.

I've used the Tab 1, 2, Note, Note II, S2, S3. Also GNex, NX4, NX7 and NX10 amongst others. So no, i'm not the ignorant biased fanboy you want me to be.

The Note II (like many other flagships) is a nice phone with its own USP but is not "ahead of the curve", its essentially a bigger GSIII with S-Pen support.

I agree with everything you say minus the Note II comment. That's more of what I need from folks that say "to each their own" and ignore glaring differences in products.

Now, while I wouldn't say that Samsung is ahead, Apple sure is behind as stated by many. Also, taken the by many accounts, the iPhone 5 is nothing more than an iPhone 3GS with LTE and a bigger screen.

Now, the one thing off the top of my head early in the morning without coffee that I can think of that takes the Note II ahead of a GSIII besides the pen is the multitasking. That's without pulling either of the devices I have out. Upon further review while typing this sentence there is the OS version, which gives the Note II location based alarms and reminders.

Two big things that separate the products.

p.s. I will never claim anyone is an ignorant biased fanboy unless I am talking about what I used to be with Apple. I wanted to be an educated Apple fanboy, but then I started to learn things, and next thing you know I have an Android handset.

 

[jrswizzle]

And replies like this are funny. Looks like whoever wrote it is just trying to justify things from a Apple loyalist perspective.



Yeah dont hold your breath on the price coming down much. You ever see the MB 13.3" come down much? No you dont. Most ive seen is $100 when a new modl is coming out and even then it dont happen much ( on the discount). Usually its only $50.

Worked at Best Buy for 8 months - our MBPs were almost ALWAYS on sale (cheaper than Apple) by anywhere from $100 - $150....

Heck the rMBP's pricing just dropped....and much of the price increase versus the cMBP is attributable to the SSDs being used rather than HDs....SSD prices drop, so do the laptops.

We're already pretty spoiled in the tech sector when the norm is for tech to get more advanced AND cheaper year after year. Sometimes, a new tech bumps the price up in the beginning - its the price you pay to be an early adopter.

The new Ultrabooks still dont cost as much as the cheaper 13.3" MB Pro and they have touchscreens and high res monitors while a 13.3" retina display MB Pro is $1499 and no touchscreen.

A touchscreen laptop is about as useful as a touchscreen desktop in my mind.....and a 16:9 tablet is awful to use in portrait mode. I wouldn't touch any of these new ultrabooks with a 10-ft. pole.....regardless of the fact they run Win 8....

Essentially - I'm totally fine paying the premium on Apple products....just as I always have been....touchscreen doesn't do anything for me...

Not being wider asside, Apple is just now getting to a 4" display. Welcome to 3 years ago.

Again - the size increase from 3.5" to 4" is an even bigger increase (relatively speaking) that the GS2 to GS3, and GS3 to GS4.....yet those are innovations? This notion that screen size is somehow some 'advanced feature' of the future is nonsense.

Newsflash - I don't want a 5" screen....3.5" was fine, heck 4" is fine. Using my Nexus, I'd probably be comfortable some between the 4" iPhone and 4.7" Nexus.....but 5" is too much.....

Equating a preference to something like a more advanced processor is nonsense.

Of course it has been a tremendous hit. Just like their competitors smaller Tablets have been a tremendous hit. Thus why they made one which was the point. What was your point again?

Point being a 7" Android tablet does NOT equal a 7.9" iPad....and like I've said - Apple's product lines are in development years before they are released....this whole reactionary thing is blown way out of proportion. Had and sold a Nexus 7.....lack of tablet optimized apps killed it for me. As I say later - being the first to market something isn't necessarily the best thing....and I'd be willing to bet, a tremendous hit for Apple >>>> tremendous hit for Google....(The mini will likely far outsell the N7).

Id agree. Most here dont know what innovation is but those things are really nice to have. NFC is great and will be the best thing "Apple invented" once they have it....lol

I still haven't used NFC on my Nexus yet....no one to "beam" with and no pay stations around me to use Google Wallet. Wanting to buy some NFC tags, but there really isn't much purpose for me to - battery apps monitor what I'm using when and will shut things off and turn them on.....of course, I don't have to worry about that on my iPhone given the level of efficiency already built in.

I'm sure NFC will be great once its more widespread. But why would Apple be concerned with adopting a young, likely far from primed technology when there really isn't much use for it in their largest market?

You can say whatever you want and it may even have some merit but there is more ideas and innovation(whatever you want to call it) going on by Samsung and Windows than Apple these days.
Maybe Apple is collaborating together to see what they want to copy next and try and improve it like usual.

I still fail to see how adding 26 ways to do the same thing I was doing already can be construed as innovation.....especially when, at best, maybe a few of those ways shave 0.5 second off my time doing that task.....

Innovation will come with something we've either never thought of needing - or have and just haven't figured out how to integrate it into daily life.

Or innovation will come in the form of a current daily task done in a revolutionary way. Unfortunately for NFC (really the only "innovation" out there at this point), it requires some "innovation" on the parts of retailers and businesses to make it a widespread reality....much like electric charging stations for cars.....people won't build them because there aren't enough electric cars to warrant it - on the flip side, people won't build/buy electric cars because there aren't any charging stations....

Apple "copies" as much as any of the other tech companies do. And there are plenty of innovations Apple owns - regardless of what you want to believe, a component of innovation is its widespread popularity and acceptance into everyday life....the iPhone may not have been the first smartphone, but it damn sure was the revolutionary one - and in turn a massive innovation that everyone since has tried to emulate (as a whole).

How long has Google worked to emulate the fluidity and smoothness of iOS? Project Butter last year did a pretty solid job - my Nexus 4 is very smooth....but I still notice a difference between it and my iPhone 5. I'd only notice it when I use them one right after the other/side-by-side. But it's there. And how about this rumored "Project Battery"? Batteries twice the size of the iPhone's often can't hold a charge nearly as long. Sure, there's beefier specs in Android phones, but what does all that power actually provide to the typical user?

The idea of mobile OS philosophies and the paths/differences between iOS and Android are much more complicated that "iOS is for kids and sucks" or "Android is a laggy mess". BOTH have a clear audience and are marketed to the general public in different ways, and BOTH (despite what Fandroids want to believe) are wildly successful and viable.

 

[bmac4]

What's even funnier are the fa -- oops that's dirty word here -- Apple customers that'll turn the blind eye or say something ignorant (not saying you) every time something negative is said about the Big Apple.

No Apple won't be "done" if iOS7 isn't 'great.' But face it, people are getting less impressed with iOS. After the Apple Maps mess, yes it was/is a mess, don't deny it. Even Tim Cook admitted it. If Apple doesn't do something amazing soon (And I don't mean making it thinner than ever), people are going to flock to other areas. Plain and simple. Android is a great OS. And Samsung is getting ahead of Apple. I know I'm gonna get called a FanDroid/Apple-hater or w/e. I'm not a fanboy of neither company. They don't pay me, so I won't be their cheerleader or part of the 'AppleGuard' or 'AndroidInfantry.' w/e you wanna call it.

They're computers. Not going to treat them like family. But I will call them out if it's truth. Anything else you're just in denial or somehow in love with Apple/Google/Samsung.

Yea people here will jump all over you for saying things like this. I am not one of those people, and I agree 100%. People will still buy the iPhone not matter what they do with iOS 7. Apple has a cult like following. The Apple cult will buy anything that has an Apple on the back of it. From that stand point Apple will never stop selling iPhones, but what they are going to start to notice is people like me that have used both Android and Apple and like both. If Apple does not do something big with iOS 7 it will be people like me that will move along and go back to android. The Apple cult will keep sales up enough for Apple to keep making iPhones, but I really do believe they will see a drop in sales if they don't do something.

 

[jrswizzle]

What's even funnier are the fa -- oops that's dirty word here -- Apple customers that'll turn the blind eye or say something ignorant (not saying you) every time something negative is said about the Big Apple.

No Apple won't be "done" if iOS7 isn't 'great.' But face it, people are getting less impressed with iOS. After the Apple Maps mess, yes it was/is a mess, don't deny it. Even Tim Cook admitted it. If Apple doesn't do something amazing soon (And I don't mean making it thinner than ever), people are going to flock to other areas. Plain and simple. Android is a great OS. And Samsung is getting ahead of Apple. I know I'm gonna get called a FanDroid/Apple-hater or w/e. I'm not a fanboy of neither company. They don't pay me, so I won't be their cheerleader or part of the 'AppleGuard' or 'AndroidInfantry.' w/e you wanna call it.

They're computers. Not going to treat them like family. But I will call them out if it's truth. Anything else you're just in denial or somehow in love with Apple/Google/Samsung.

I wouldn't characterize you as either a Fandroid or Apple-hater.....simply overreacting a little.

Try not to get sucked into the media's nonsense....for the first time since 2008, someone other than Samsung was at the top of the US mobile phone marketshare at the end of a quarter.....and it was Apple.

They are doing just fine - the iPhone 5 is a wonderful device that I (and countless millions) are thouroughly enjoying, and while there have been some issues with iOS 6 and QC (really as there are with just about every software/hardware release ever), Apple will move forward from them. Maps will only get better as more crowd-sourced data is gathered and the shakeup of the team over iOS will likely lead to a new direction.

Android is a great OS to be sure, but I still see the same trend holding true - despite Samsung's rise and Apple's awful publicity:

Consumer buys Android - doesn't like it - goes to iPhone.

As more and more NEW smartphone users enter the market, a majority are going to Android - hence their high market share. Given that a flagship Android device is released on a regular basis, carriers are constantly pushing the next big device. However, while Androids improvements are causing more customers to STAY with Android, there are still plenty who move away from it for various reasons and most go to iPhone.

Apple hangs on for most of the year, picking up Android castoffs and that portion of new customers they can get until they release the new iPhone, at which time the marketshare jumps.

Obviously, as Android continues to improve, this isn't a sustainable model for Apple. A move to a cheaper iPhone is necessary in places like China and India, and changes must be made to cater (even if only from a marketing standpoint) to a wider audience. But Apple isn't going anywhere - and they aren't declining.

And overall, Samsung still has a ways to go, smartphone-wise, before they reach Apple's level....

I'm confident in Apple and will continue to upgrade to iPhones. Though I will likely keep an Android on hand (especially as long as I can have a work phone and personal phone), and hopefully upgrade it every now and then as well.

All that said - I can't wait to see what the rest of 2013 has in store for the consumer tech industry!

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Yea people here will jump all over you for saying things like this. I am not one of those people, and I agree 100%. People will still buy the iPhone not matter what they do with iOS 7. Apple has a cult like following. The Apple cult will buy anything that has an Apple on the back of it. From that stand point Apple will never stop selling iPhones, but what they are going to start to notice is people like me that have used both Android and Apple and like both. If Apple does not do something big with iOS 7 it will be people like me that will move along and go back to android. The Apple cult will keep sales up enough for Apple to keep making iPhones, but I really do believe they will see a drop in sales if they don't do something.

Lol....

So because YOU don't understand why a person would prefer iOS to Android, you call those of us who do "cultists"??

 

[bmac4]

I wouldn't characterize you as either a Fandroid or Apple-hater.....simply overreacting a little.

Try not to get sucked into the media's nonsense....for the first time since 2008, someone other than Samsung was at the top of the US mobile phone marketshare at the end of a quarter.....and it was Apple.

They are doing just fine - the iPhone 5 is a wonderful device that I (and countless millions) are thouroughly enjoying, and while there have been some issues with iOS 6 and QC (really as there are with just about every software/hardware release ever), Apple will move forward from them. Maps will only get better as more crowd-sourced data is gathered and the shakeup of the team over iOS will likely lead to a new direction.

Android is a great OS to be sure, but I still see the same trend holding true - despite Samsung's rise and Apple's awful publicity:

Consumer buys Android - doesn't like it - goes to iPhone.

As more and more NEW smartphone users enter the market, a majority are going to Android - hence their high market share. Given that a flagship Android device is released on a regular basis, carriers are constantly pushing the next big device. However, while Androids improvements are causing more customers to STAY with Android, there are still plenty who move away from it for various reasons and most go to iPhone.

Apple hangs on for most of the year, picking up Android castoffs and that portion of new customers they can get until they release the new iPhone, at which time the marketshare jumps.

Obviously, as Android continues to improve, this isn't a sustainable model for Apple. A move to a cheaper iPhone is necessary in places like China and India, and changes must be made to cater (even if only from a marketing standpoint) to a wider audience. But Apple isn't going anywhere - and they aren't declining.

And overall, Samsung still has a ways to go, smartphone-wise, before they reach Apple's level....

I'm confident in Apple and will continue to upgrade to iPhones. Though I will likely keep an Android on hand (especially as long as I can have a work phone and personal phone), and hopefully upgrade it every now and then as well.

All that said - I can't wait to see what the rest of 2013 has in store for the consumer tech industry!

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Lol....

So because YOU don't understand why a person would prefer iOS to Android, you call those of us who do "cultists"??

When did I say I did not understand? I own an iPhone so I am not saying because you choose Apple you are a "cultist", I said that Apple has cult like following of people that buy everything Apple not matter what. There are also die hard android and die hard windows people, but Apples cult customers are far more, and maybe a little louder. You know good and well what I was saying you just want to put words in my mouth. No every Apple customer is a cultist.

 

[sentinelsx]

Yea people here will jump all over you for saying things like this. I am not one of those people, and I agree 100%. People will still buy the iPhone not matter what they do with iOS 7. Apple has a cult like following. The Apple cult will buy anything that has an Apple on the back of it. From that stand point Apple will never stop selling iPhones, but what they are going to start to notice is people like me that have used both Android and Apple and like both. If Apple does not do something big with iOS 7 it will be people like me that will move along and go back to android. The Apple cult will keep sales up enough for Apple to keep making iPhones, but I really do believe they will see a drop in sales if they don't do something.

It is not just the Apple cult though, samsung has been building a successful cult too. Their ads in 2011 showcasing the S2 were clearly saying "don't stand in line for that iPhone, instead stand at line for the S2", not literally of course, but i can bet the CEO would absolutely want that, who wouldn't?

You can go out, ask people about phone choices, and majority of them reply with either iPhone or galaxy. Galaxy has literally exploded here in Canada, at least in the GTA area (which has the bulk of population), however people are also buying iPhones. To a normal consumer, galaxy and iPhone are pretty much equally "cool" and full of hype.

It is only people like me or you or other forum readers who follow other devices and would probably buy a nexus 4 than a galaxy S3/4/Note or buy a Lumia 920 instead of a galaxy.

When it comes to mass market, unfortunately, you could have a great product but it may not sell if it isn't cool in the customer's mind. I see everyone doing the same stuff on their iPhones and galaxies: facebook, SMS, calls, and temple run where i go. For the consumer, the tech advances and software innovations that we prefer, mean nothing. The general consumer is ignorant, under peer pressure, and wants to fit in. How do you fit in? By buying a galaxy or an iPhone. Who cares if BB10 is actually nice or Lumia 920 packs tons of features or nexus 4 carries the best android updates? Apparently few.

And then it is not like the GS3/Note 2 or iPhone 4S/5 do not have a decent spec sheet. It is not like they do not have the capability to be used as a mobile computer. They all do. But people buy $80 data plans and $200 phones on three year contracts (yes, three here in Canada) to do what? To access facebook, SMS, play angry birds only. Productivity be darned, most people i see with these expensive devices only push their devices to probably 30% of their max potential. They are overpaying and underusing.

It is like someone buying a jet for a 10 km commute. Sickening. And it is being done a lot.

 

[jrswizzle]

When did I say I did not understand? I own an iPhone so I am not saying because you choose Apple you are a "cultist", I said that Apple has cult like following of people that buy everything Apple not matter what. There are also die hard android and die hard windows people, but Apples cult customers are far more, and maybe a little louder. You know good and well what I was saying you just want to put words in my mouth. No every Apple customer is a cultist.

Ok - if I misunderstood you I apologize.

It has been my experience that most who say that type of thing simply can't see why anyone would pick iOS over Android given Android's "vast superiority".

I might be a tad defensive today

 

[bmac4]

It is not just the Apple cult though, samsung has been building a successful cult too. Their ads in 2011 showcasing the S2 were clearly saying "don't stand in line for that iPhone, instead stand at line for the S2", not literally of course, but i can bet the CEO would absolutely want that, who wouldn't?

You can go out, ask people about phone choices, and majority of them reply with either iPhone or galaxy. Galaxy has literally exploded here in Canada, at least in the GTA area (which has the bulk of population), however people are also buying iPhones. To a normal consumer, galaxy and iPhone are pretty much equally "cool" and full of hype.

It is only people like me or you or other forum readers who follow other devices and would probably buy a nexus 4 than a galaxy S3/4/Note or buy a Lumia 920 instead of a galaxy.

When it comes to mass market, unfortunately, you could have a great product but it may not sell if it isn't cool in the customer's mind. I see everyone doing the same stuff on their iPhones and galaxies: facebook, SMS, calls, and temple run where i go. For the consumer, the tech advances and software innovations that we prefer, mean nothing. The general consumer is ignorant, under peer pressure, and wants to fit in. How do you fit in? By buying a galaxy or an iPhone. Who cares if BB10 is actually nice or Lumia 920 packs tons of features or nexus 4 carries the best android updates? Apparently few.

And then it is not like the GS3/Note 2 or iPhone 4S/5 do not have a decent spec sheet. It is not like they do not have the capability to be used as a mobile computer. They all do. But people buy $80 data plans and $200 phones on three year contracts (yes, three here in Canada) to do what? To access facebook, SMS, play angry birds only. Productivity be darned, most people i see with these expensive devices only push their devices to probably 30% of their max potential. They are overpaying and underusing.

It is like someone buying a jet for a 10 km commute. Sickening. And it is being done a lot.

Yea I know I am in the minority on smartphones. I guess you could kind of call me a tech geek. I like android because I can tweak all kinds of things. The only android phone I will ever own is nexus device, and those are just not the popular android phones. I JB my iPhone again because I like to tweak things. Most people would not ever try this.

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Ok - if I misunderstood you I apologize.

It has been my experience that most who say that type of thing simply can't see why anyone would pick iOS over Android given Android's "vast superiority".

I might be a tad defensive today

Ok cool.

I completely see why people would choose iOS over android. The Samsung android phones are ok, but not great. The best android phone you can buy is the nexus 4, but unless you are a tech geek it has no interest to you. iOS is no much easier to use which makes it way more popular. I do see a big cult following for Apple, much bigger than the android and windows follower. Those are the people I don't understand. The people that argue that iPhone is always better than any other phone, and those are people that I would call cult followers.

 

[sentinelsx]

Yea I know I am in the minority on smartphones. I guess you could kind of call me a tech geek. I like android because I can tweak all kinds of things. The only android phone I will ever own is nexus device, and those are just not the popular android phones. I JB my iPhone again because I like to tweak things. Most people would not ever try this.

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Ok cool.

I completely see why people would choose iOS over android. The Samsung android phones are ok, but not great. The best android phone you can buy is the nexus 4, but unless you are a tech geek it has no interest to you. iOS is no much easier to use which makes it way more popular. I do see a big cult following for Apple, much bigger than the android and windows follower. Those are the people I don't understand. The people that argue that iPhone is always better than any other phone, and those are people that I would call cult followers.

My only issue with Nexus 4 is battery life. This is second time in a row that google has failed in that department with galaxy nexus beaten by S2 series and now the Nexus 4 beaten by S3/One X/Razr HD (not maxx) in terms of battery life. All i am asking for is a 4-5 hr screen on time which was comfortably achievable on my old GS3 without turning wifi/HSPA (no LTE though)/GPS etc off. With the same 2100 mah battery, LCD screen (the AMOLED in GS3 burned juice faster when i read ebooks or websites with white backgrounds, i hate black backgrounds btw), and S4 krait CPU, i wonder why is Nexus 4 doing worse in battery life?

 

[jrswizzle]

Yea I know I am in the minority on smartphones. I guess you could kind of call me a tech geek. I like android because I can tweak all kinds of things. The only android phone I will ever own is nexus device, and those are just not the popular android phones. I JB my iPhone again because I like to tweak things. Most people would not ever try this.

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Ok cool.

I completely see why people would choose iOS over android. The Samsung android phones are ok, but not great. The best android phone you can buy is the nexus 4, but unless you are a tech geek it has no interest to you. iOS is no much easier to use which makes it way more popular. I do see a big cult following for Apple, much bigger than the android and windows follower. Those are the people I don't understand. The people that argue that iPhone is always better than any other phone, and those are people that I would call cult followers.

I too own a Nexus 4 and actually use it as my daily device - my iPhone 5 is my work phone.

While I enjoy many things about my Nexus 4, I still find myself using it much like I would my iPhone. Sure there is some fun customization I can do, but that doesn't really add or detract from my overall use of the phone.

The reason for this is because I think (and use my tech) along the lines of how Apple designed they OS versus how Android did. Some prefer the tweaking and the OS to be at the forefront, others prefer the OS to blend and work in the backgroup while the apps standout. I am in the latter - and that's the true difference between Android and iOS.

Both equally valid and loved by millions. Both in need of constant improvement and both on track to dominate the smartphone industry for the foreseeable future!

 

[bmac4]

My only issue with Nexus 4 is battery life. This is second time in a row that google has failed in that department with galaxy nexus beaten by S2 series and now the Nexus 4 beaten by S3/One X/Razr HD (not maxx) in terms of battery life. All i am asking for is a 4-5 hr screen on time which was comfortably achievable on my old GS3 without turning wifi/HSPA (no LTE though)/GPS etc off. With the same 2100 mah battery, LCD screen (the AMOLED in GS3 burned juice faster when i read ebooks or websites with white backgrounds, i hate black backgrounds btw), and S4 krait CPU, i wonder why is Nexus 4 doing worse in battery life?

Yes I have not got my hands on a nexus 4 yet but is do have the galaxy nexus and I do understand battery life was crap, but I am not so sure I find the iphone 5 much better for me. I really wish that google could get it together for the nexus devices.

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I too own a Nexus 4 and actually use it as my daily device - my iPhone 5 is my work phone.

While I enjoy many things about my Nexus 4, I still find myself using it much like I would my iPhone. Sure there is some fun customization I can do, but that doesn't really add or detract from my overall use of the phone.

The reason for this is because I think (and use my tech) along the lines of how Apple designed they OS versus how Android did. Some prefer the tweaking and the OS to be at the forefront, others prefer the OS to blend and work in the backgroup while the apps standout. I am in the latter - and that's the true difference between Android and iOS.

Both equally valid and loved by millions. Both in need of constant improvement and both on track to dominate the smartphone industry for the foreseeable future!

Oh ok so you like both as well. Cool I find that does not happen often, and not too many people like the nexus line. I love it I has the nexus s, and the Gnex and liked them both a lot. What do you think about your nexus 4? I really want to get one I am just holding off. For now.

 

[sentinelsx]

I too own a Nexus 4 and actually use it as my daily device - my iPhone 5 is my work phone.

While I enjoy many things about my Nexus 4, I still find myself using it much like I would my iPhone. Sure there is some fun customization I can do, but that doesn't really add or detract from my overall use of the phone.

The reason for this is because I think (and use my tech) along the lines of how Apple designed they OS versus how Android did. Some prefer the tweaking and the OS to be at the forefront, others prefer the OS to blend and work in the backgroup while the apps standout. I am in the latter - and that's the true difference between Android and iOS.

Both equally valid and loved by millions. Both in need of constant improvement and both on track to dominate the smartphone industry for the foreseeable future!

I think the reason android is more OS-centric is because of its initial popularity with geeks.

I see no reason why apps cannot shine on android, the apps posted in a recent thread here made me go "wow". The new design guidelines are great. I just think developers and google should do more. At least google could make it better by improving their emulator and providing better documentation and tools instead of the hacker's "look everything yourself" philosophy. This type of attitude is rampant in XDA. When we took computing in university, i remembered every single prof talking about why current languages are so great because you can hide the nuts and bolts headache from the programmer and simply let them use libraries and higher level tools to easily get the job done. XDA gurus seem to be ones who covertly hated them.

It should be interesting also then that i want to buy a Nexus 4 to develop apps for android because a) i am not interested in an expensive mac as i would have no other use for it other than dev (not doing very serious bread making programming btw) and b) the new "holo" designs look so much nicer and i feel i could enjoy being a part of the developer community.

I like launchers and customizing, but i am not interested in flashing ROMs or kernels just for the fun of it. Neither do i get my kicks from the system commands flashing on my phone. Nope.

 

[mattopotamus]

Yes I have not got my hands on a nexus 4 yet but is do have the galaxy nexus and I do understand battery life was crap, but I am not so sure I find the iphone 5 much better for me. I really wish that google could get it together for the nexus devices.

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Oh ok so you like both as well. Cool I find that does not happen often, and not too many people like the nexus line. I love it I has the nexus s, and the Gnex and liked them both a lot. What do you think about your nexus 4? I really want to get one I am just holding off. For now.

I know you were asking wizzle, but I use to prefer the nexus line to everything else. The major reason were the carriers skins were just flat out awful and you never got updates. Now updates actually get released for flagship phones, and the skins and features thrown in by samsung are better, IMO, that just stock android.

 

[bmac4]

I know you were asking wizzle, but I use to prefer the nexus line to everything else. The major reason were the carriers skins were just flat out awful and you never got updates. Now updates actually get released for flagship phones, and the skins and features thrown in by samsung are better, IMO, that just stock android.

Oh ok so what android phone do you use?

 

[jrswizzle]

Oh ok so you like both as well. Cool I find that does not happen often, and not too many people like the nexus line. I love it I has the nexus s, and the Gnex and liked them both a lot. What do you think about your nexus 4? I really want to get one I am just holding off. For now.

Now that 4.2.2 is out, my biggest issue - the battery life - has been all but resolved. Essentially all I want is for it to make it through the day (around 15 hours total) on a single charge with about 3-5 hours of use time. So far it has been able to handle this.

The HSPA+ is great and I really don't see a huge drop in speed versus my iPhone 5 LTE.

The biggest thing I miss is iMessage - though I'm using some great alternatives offered up by fellow forum members.

Overall I'm a fan - Nexus is the way to go for me - I'm used to the timely updates and wouldn't be able to handle a new OS version being out without being able to upgrade.

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I think the reason android is more OS-centric is because of its initial popularity with geeks.

I see no reason why apps cannot shine on android, the apps posted in a recent thread here made me go "wow". The new design guidelines are great. I just think developers and google should do more. At least google could make it better by improving their emulator and providing better documentation and tools instead of the hacker's "look everything yourself" philosophy. This type of attitude is rampant in XDA. When we took computing in university, i remembered every single prof talking about why current languages are so great because you can hide the nuts and bolts headache from the programmer and simply let them use libraries and higher level tools to easily get the job done. XDA gurus seem to be ones who covertly hated them.

It should be interesting also then that i want to buy a Nexus 4 to develop apps for android because a) i am not interested in an expensive mac as i would have no other use for it other than dev (not doing very serious bread making programming btw) and b) the new "holo" designs look so much nicer and i feel i could enjoy being a part of the developer community.

I like launchers and customizing, but i am not interested in flashing ROMs or kernels just for the fun of it. Neither do i get my kicks from the system commands flashing on my phone. Nope.

Oh Android apps could definitely shine more - same as Apple could do more to add customization. It's just not a priority for either because their philosophies are centered on other things.

I've been wooed by jailbreaking and rooting before - but ultimately don't have the time or care enough to do either. I spend enough time tweaking my Nexus 4 and simply want to use my phone without messing with it. I can do that with both the iPhone5 and Nexus 4 - it was just an easier initial process with the 5 .

 

[mattopotamus]

Oh ok so what android phone do you use?

Just got a note 2 the other day and so far am really liking it.

 

[bmac4]

Just got a note 2 the other day and so far am really liking it.

Yea I have heard that the note II is great phone. I am think I am going to order a nexus 4 in April.

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Now that 4.2.2 is out, my biggest issue - the battery life - has been all but resolved. Essentially all I want is for it to make it through the day (around 15 hours total) on a single charge with about 3-5 hours of use time. So far it has been able to handle this.

The HSPA+ is great and I really don't see a huge drop in speed versus my iPhone 5 LTE.

The biggest thing I miss is iMessage - though I'm using some great alternatives offered up by fellow forum members.

Overall I'm a fan - Nexus is the way to go for me - I'm used to the timely updates and wouldn't be able to handle a new OS version being out without being able to upgrade.

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Oh Android apps could definitely shine more - same as Apple could do more to add customization. It's just not a priority for either because their philosophies are centered on other things.

I've been wooed by jailbreaking and rooting before - but ultimately don't have the time or care enough to do either. I spend enough time tweaking my Nexus 4 and simply want to use my phone without messing with it. I can do that with both the iPhone5 and Nexus 4 - it was just an easier initial process with the 5 .

Yea I heard the battery was not great, but I did had not heard the 4.2.2 had fix that is awesome though. I think I am going to get the nexus for in April, but for now JB has done a lot to make my iphone 5 better.

 

[jrswizzle]

Yea I have heard that the note II is great phone. I am think I am going to order a nexus 4 in April.

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Yea I heard the battery was not great, but I did had not heard the 4.2.2 had fix that is awesome though. I think I am going to get the nexus for in April, but for now JB has done a lot to make my iphone 5 better.

Since I was buying off contract and especially didn't want to waste my upgrade, the Nexus was a no-brainer given its price.

 

[AppleDeviceUser]

So why is the iPhone 5 and the iPhone 4S both out selling the Galaxy S3?

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1545863/

 

[sentinelsx]

Now that 4.2.2 is out, my biggest issue - the battery life - has been all but resolved. Essentially all I want is for it to make it through the day (around 15 hours total) on a single charge with about 3-5 hours of use time. So far it has been able to handle this.

The HSPA+ is great and I really don't see a huge drop in speed versus my iPhone 5 LTE.

The biggest thing I miss is iMessage - though I'm using some great alternatives offered up by fellow forum members.

Overall I'm a fan - Nexus is the way to go for me - I'm used to the timely updates and wouldn't be able to handle a new OS version being out without being able to upgrade.

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Oh Android apps could definitely shine more - same as Apple could do more to add customization. It's just not a priority for either because their philosophies are centered on other things.

I've been wooed by jailbreaking and rooting before - but ultimately don't have the time or care enough to do either. I spend enough time tweaking my Nexus 4 and simply want to use my phone without messing with it. I can do that with both the iPhone5 and Nexus 4 - it was just an easier initial process with the 5 .

So are you getting on average 4-5 hrs screen on with different activities (music/browsing/minor maps usage/reading/some gaming etc) without turning off stuff on your nexus 4?

If you do, I think I'll pull the trigger on the N4 as my iPhone companion. Might even switch the iPhone with an ipad mini if the nexus performs that good.