Apple used to be ahead of the curve

[Irishman]

Yea is iOS right were it should be? Do you think they need to do something different with iOS 7? I do like my iphone 5 and iOS works well, but just a bit boring to me. It does all the things you need a smartphone to do. It just does not do them creatively. It is very cut and dry. That is what I feel like. I just wanted to see how you felt.

I told you how I felt.

I don't need iOS to become more tinker-friendly. I don't see the OS as a toy in its own right. The OS lets me do other things (listen to music, watch Netflix movies, check mail, read the web, check forum posts, buy things, run apps, play games, etc), and it does those things VERY WELL.

If they could make those things somehow easier, or enhance my life in some way I'm not aware of yet, I'm all for it. But to demand Apple innovate on command like some do, is petulant in my view.

 

[bmac4]

I told you how I felt.

I don't need iOS to become more tinker-friendly. I don't see the OS as a toy in its own right. The OS lets me do other things (listen to music, watch Netflix movies, check mail, read the web, check forum posts, buy things, run apps, play games, etc), and it does those things VERY WELL.

If they could make those things somehow easier, or enhance my life in some way I'm not aware of yet, I'm all for it. But to demand Apple innovate on command like some do, is petulant in my view.

Oh I don't want them to add features just because they think they have to. I want something very well thought out. Something that has a reason to be there. I think they did all of that back in 2007, but they really have not taken that beyond 2007. They need something that is more modern. I mean iOS does feel like something that is 6 years old. Which for a lot of people is fine. Samsung note II and touchwiz does feel way more modern, but they do that a cost of it not being solid. I would not want Apple to go in that direction just because Samsung has had success.

I think Apple could make something modern that says Apple, and is something well thought out. It sounds like you are fine with iOS and the iphone the way it is cause it works very well, and I completely understand. I do love the fact that when I go to use my iphone it is going to do what I need it to do. I don't have to mess with a lot of setting to get it to work. But there is a down side to that as well because my iphone 5 does not look much different at all then the millions of other people that have iPhones in the US. Nothing other than the picture I have in the background sets my iphone apart from anyone else's. My iphone works there is just not much individuality to it.

 

[sentinelsx]

I told you how I felt.

I don't need iOS to become more tinker-friendly. I don't see the OS as a toy in its own right. The OS lets me do other things (listen to music, watch Netflix movies, check mail, read the web, check forum posts, buy things, run apps, play games, etc), and it does those things VERY WELL.

If they could make those things somehow easier, or enhance my life in some way I'm not aware of yet, I'm all for it. But to demand Apple innovate on command like some do, is petulant in my view.

I would argue that some customization can actually be more productive than just static grids of icons sorted in folders at best.

 

[Irishman]

I would argue that some customization can actually be more productive than just static grids of icons sorted in folders at best.

I don't use my phone as a productivity tool, so saving a second on getting to an app or website, etc. isn't a compelling change.

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Yea is iOS right were it should be? Do you think they need to do something different with iOS 7? I do like my iphone 5 and iOS works well, but just a bit boring to me. It does all the things you need a smartphone to do. It just does not do them creatively. It is very cut and dry. That is what I feel like. I just wanted to see how you felt.

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I do remember your response, but those were just your predictions I wanted to know what you want from iOS. What think they should change or not change.

For me, if they could improve text selection, copying and pasting, I'd be good.

For the most part, I take an "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" approach.

 

[bmac4]

I don't use my phone as a productivity tool, so saving a second on getting to an app or website, etc. isn't a compelling change.

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For me, if they could improve text selection, copying and pasting, I'd be good.

For the most part, I take an "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" approach.

Ok so you saying your phone is just more for fun? Not productivity?

But the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" approach at some point become old and out dated. Cars use to not have intermittent windshield wipers. Those were not a broken idea, but Robert Kearns saw a way to improve the windshield wiper and look at were we have come. There was nothing wrong with the windshield wiper. It worked and did the job, but there was a better way that made things easier that no one ever thought of before Kearns. Like what Apple did with the iphone in 2007. There were companies with smartphones like blackberry, and Samsung, but Apple created the iphone that changed the way we used smartphones. But Apple has not built on that. With the windshield wipers things have changed since 1968 we have windshield wiper that turn on when there is rain on the windshield. There are 5 intermittent setting not 3 anymore. Apple needs something fresh to add to that great idea they has in 2007.

 

[mattopotamus]

Apple is a VERY secretive company. So little of what they do is leaked out by supply chain partners that there's little use in speculating on what they will or won't change.

When you ask if I think if they are headed in the right direction, what exactly are you speaking of? iOS? If so, you've already forgotten my reply to you earlier in this very thread.

https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=16861122#post16861122

Is this serious? The last few products they have released have been leaked well before their announcement.

 

[Vegastouch]

I don't use my phone as a productivity tool, so saving a second on getting to an app or website, etc. isn't a compelling change.

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For me, if they could improve text selection, copying and pasting, I'd be good.

For the most part, I take an "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" approach.

If companies used that approach then you would never see anything new. Car companies would never have new and improved models so I can't agree with you there. Why just sit on your laurels and expect everyone to still buy your products?

 

[k995]

I can remember when the original iPhone came out people were saying "Apple has created something new when we did not know we even wanted something new". The iPhone had a full touch screen experience that no phone had ever had. It was something new, and it took off. Apple was thinking ahead and thinking outside of the box. Look at the smartphone world now most smartphones are full touchscreen. Apple was ahead of the curve.

Thats were you make your first mistake, plenty of companys were pushing this .

Apple was the best with the best package among them.

With that said what has happened? I love Apple and the way they were always willing to try something that had never been tried before. It just does not seem like that is happening any more. Why have they not come out with a big iPhone? If they were the same company they were back in 2007 they would have make a 4.5 inch iphone 2 years ago before the big screen android phones exploded and got really popular. Also look at the ipad mini that should have come out 2 or more years ago before all the small budget tablets had a chance. The Apple of 2007 would have had all these device out before the competition had a change to think of it. What has happened?

Thats the second mistake, apple doesnt use cutting edge tech all the time.
And when you have to deliver tens of millions of phones (because you are focused on 1 phone a year) you cant. You buy of the shelve of proven tech.

I want it back. I want my iphone to feel like something everyone says "wow" about. Right now the iphone does not really say "wow" that is now the note 2. Sure it is a huge phone and that is not for everyone, but you can't tell me when you see the note 2 you don't say "wow that is a cool looking phone". Notice I said cool looking the build quality is nothing close to Apple but the design is. I want to be surprise by my iphone. I want it to do something that I did not know I wanted to do. Will 2013 bring this? Will iOS 7 be "the next big thing"?

Third mistake, apple wants simpy to sell. As long as the current line keeps selling record number and profits , why change a winning ticket?

 

[bmac4]

Thats were you make your first mistake, plenty of companys were pushing this .

Apple was the best with the best package among them.



Thats the second mistake, apple doesnt use cutting edge tech all the time.
And when you have to deliver tens of millions of phones (because you are focused on 1 phone a year) you cant. You buy of the shelve of proven tech.



Third mistake, apple wants simpy to sell. As long as the current line keeps selling record number and profits , why change a winning ticket?

Who's to say that it will still be a winning ticket? With no real new advancements who's to say the next iphone is going to sell like hot cakes? I am not the only person saying that Apple and iOS has become outdated. Look at a lot of the reviews for the iphone 5, they all love the phone and how fast it is, but there are a lot of them that say iOS is outdated and it is time for something new.

 

[Irishman]

If companies used that approach then you would never see anything new. Car companies would never have new and improved models so I can't agree with you there. Why just sit on your laurels and expect everyone to still buy your products?

He asked what I wanted to see. I answered. I'm not wrong. He's not wrong in wanting something more from the next iOS release. Also, if you read back, you'll read what I think Apple is likely to do based on his wishlist.

It's just different.

It's all good.

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Who's to say that it will still be a winning ticket? With no real new advancements who's to say the next iphone is going to sell like hot cakes? I am not the only person saying that Apple and iOS has become outdated. Look at a lot of the reviews for the iphone 5, they all love the phone and how fast it is, but there are a lot of them that say iOS is outdated and it is time for something new.

"Outdated" is a subjective value judgment, and has much to do with look and feel, not functionality.

At least if I read you right.

 

[matttye]

Third mistake, apple wants simpy to sell. As long as the current line keeps selling record number and profits , why change a winning ticket?

This is what I keep saying. People who think iOS is moving too slowly and needs a grand redesign should go and buy into another platform, because its very unlikely to happen.

 

[Irishman]

Is this serious? The last few products they have released have been leaked well before their announcement.

And do you really believe that the leaks represent everything (or even most things) Apple's working on at a given time?

 

[matttye]

Who's to say that it will still be a winning ticket? With no real new advancements who's to say the next iphone is going to sell like hot cakes? I am not the only person saying that Apple and iOS has become outdated. Look at a lot of the reviews for the iphone 5, they all love the phone and how fast it is, but there are a lot of them that say iOS is outdated and it is time for something new.

Apple is still making an absolute fortune off every iPhone they sell. If they drastically change the platform it could actually be more HARMFUL than beneficial.

The people who think iOS needs something new tend to be the people who have used it for a long time. Usually it's just people who have become bored of it.

 

[bmac4]

He asked what I wanted to see. I answered. I'm not wrong. He's not wrong in wanting something more from the next iOS release. Also, if you read back, you'll read what I think Apple is likely to do based on his wishlist.

It's just different.

It's all good.

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"Outdated" is a subjective value judgment, and has much to do with look and feel, not functionality.

At least if I read you right.

Yes but functionality is only going to get you so far with people. We as humans get bored with technology we want something new and different. Name one company that lasted more that 10 years without have at least one major update over that time?

Also it made me laugh that you ignored my last post to you.

All joking aside I really do appreciate that we can have a disagreement of how we see Apple and not be complete jerks to each other. Thanks for keeps your comments professional, and I am trying to do the same. I see it way to many times people just get so bent out of shape about this stuff. I just like to have a friendly discussion.

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Apple is still making an absolute fortune off every iPhone they sell. If they drastically change the platform it could actually be more HARMFUL than beneficial.

The people who think iOS needs something new tend to be the people who have used it for a long time. Usually it's just people who have become bored of it.

Yes I am one of those people. I have had an iphone 3G, 4, and now a 5 it is getting a little boring. Aren't we the people that Apple wants to keep happy? Aren't we the ones that buy the new iPhones that make those huge sales number? If we are not happy or bored that might be a bad thing. Maybe?

 

[mattopotamus]

And do you really believe that the leaks represent everything (or even most things) Apple's working on at a given time?

They were right about the iPhone 4s, mini, iPhone5.....so yes. It seems like they are always right now. Literally the last few releases have been correctly leaked months before actual release.

 

[Irishman]

They were right about the iPhone 4s, mini, iPhone5.....so yes. It seems like they are always right now. Literally the last few releases have been correctly leaked months before actual release.

New iMac redesign? From the ground up? Did they get that? Nope.
The retina Macbook Pros? Either of them? Nope.

Thanks for the hyperbole! Either that or you literally don't know what "literally" means.

 

[matttye]

Yes I am one of those people. I have had an iphone 3G, 4, and now a 5 it is getting a little boring. Aren't we the people that Apple wants to keep happy? Aren't we the ones that buy the new iPhones that make those huge sales number? If we are not happy or bored that might be a bad thing. Maybe?

Apple is not your friend, it's a business that wants to make money. I doubt Apple cares whether the money comes from existing customers who upgrade or new customers, just so long as they get the money.

Therefore if they find a way of making a lot of money that upsets some of their longstanding customers, you better believe they'll do it anyway.

 

[Sedrick]

Apple can't change the OS much with out pissing off and disorienting most of it's users, so I don't see that happening. They dang well should introduce themes though. They can make a pretty penny off selling themes and also shut most people up about how boring the OS looks. Don't like it? Theme it!

Depends how long Apple wants to follow in RIM's footsteps though.

 

[matttye]

Apple can't change the OS much with out pissing off and disorienting most of it's users, so I don't see that happening. They dang well should introduce themes though. They can make a pretty penny off selling themes and also shut most people up about how boring the OS looks. Don't like it? Theme it!

Depends how long Apple wants to follow in RIM's footsteps though.

I'm not too fussed about themes either way, but I wonder if the reason they haven't been added is because of the effect it would have on them if there's a problem with the theme.

If an apps broken, the apps broken, but if a themes broken people won't necessarily know if it's iOS or the theme that's broken.

 

[bmac4]

Apple is not your friend, it's a business that wants to make money. I doubt Apple cares whether the money comes from existing customers who upgrade or new customers, just so long as they get the money.

Therefore if they find a way of making a lot of money that upsets some of their longstanding customers, you better believe they'll do it anyway.

Oh I know Apple could careless about me, but it does care about its loyal customers because those are the people that keep coming back. New customers are far less people than repeat. Also look at this thread with all these people saying they better not change it too much for it will make the loyal people mad. To a point Apple does care a lot of about the loyal customers.

 

[matttye]

Oh I know Apple could careless about me, but it does care about its loyal customers because those are the people that keep coming back. New customers are far less people than repeat. Also look at this thread with all these people saying they better not change it too much for it will make the loyal people mad. To a point Apple does care a lot of about the loyal customers.

I agree that if a significant portion of their sales come from existing customers then that is something they would want to keep.

I'm just saying that if they're making more money with each new device they're not likely going to change a process which is working well

 

[bmac4]

I agree that if a significant portion of their sales come from existing customers then that is something they would want to keep.

I'm just saying that if they're making more money with each new device they're not likely going to change a process which is working well

Oh yea no doubt. People like me that keep complaining keep buying the new iPhones so Apple does not have to change. I left for a little while after I had the iphone 4 and went to android for a couple of years. Now I am back, so I guess I am saying "Apple keep doing what you are doing".

 

[mattopotamus]

New iMac redesign? From the ground up? Did they get that? Nope.
The retina Macbook Pros? Either of them? Nope.

Thanks for the hyperbole! Either that or you literally don't know what "literally" means.

The retina display laptops were leaked before the announcement. The pricing was the only thing inaccurate...

Are you trolling, or just don't know about the accuracy of recent leaks?

 

[Irishman]

The retina display laptops were leaked before the announcement. The pricing was the only thing inaccurate...

Are you trolling, or just don't know about the accuracy of recent leaks?

Show it, then. I don't remember reading anything about leaks from supply chain people who said a new retina Macbook Pro was coming.

And you ignored the other part you got wrong - the iMac!

 

[Sedrick]

I'm not too fussed about themes either way, but I wonder if the reason they haven't been added is because of the effect it would have on them if there's a problem with the theme.

If an apps broken, the apps broken, but if a themes broken people won't necessarily know if it's iOS or the theme that's broken.

This is where Apple controls them, tests them and has them available through the store. Just like an app. For what it's worth, I've run themes since my old 3GS and they don't 'break'. They replace all your images with new ones and if a new image isn't available (let's say) for a new app, the apps original icon stays in place. Most of the themes in the jailbreak community are rock solid either way.. Not a lot to worry about.