Listen to yourself. It’s not guaranteed if you go back in a few months and it will still be available. The reality is Apple made a finite number and there is not likely to be another version for a couple of years. I get that its expensive. But do you actually use it past the wow factor? I use mine all the time. using it right now reading MR while I have the news on my RL TV, my email is a window to my left floating over the cat. on my right is some family photos i was editing. I do all this sitting on the couch. Shrugs. But if you are not already using it for routine things, then okay, you might want to wait for V2.
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Apple Vision Pro is amazing. And I returned it. (MERGED)
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Listen to yourself. It’s not guaranteed if you go back in a few months and it will still be available. The reality is Apple made a finite number and there is not likely to be another version for a couple of years. I get that its expensive. But do you actually use it past the wow factor? I use mine all the time. using it right now reading MR while I have the news on my RL TV, my email is a window to my left floating over the cat. on my right is some family photos i was editing. I do all this sitting on the couch. Shrugs. But if you are not already using it for routine things, then okay, you might want to wait for V2.
I don’t think AVP is replacement for vacations, family time, or social activities. I will mainly use my AVP as a computing device to go along with my MBP. Hopefully Apple can improve mirroring from Mac to AVP In future generations. Being not present isn’t unique to AVP, i see people immerse in their iPhones/tablets or what ever device.
Can you show proof that Apple only made a “finite” number of these? You are also completely ignoring the OP’s point of it being isolating. Everything YOU are describing is being done ALONE. AVP IS isolating. There aren’t any social apps like that on the Quest like, Rec Room. You can’t even have a shared experience if someone else is wearing an AVP in the same room. Can you even watch a movie with someone else in a different location while they wear their AVP watching the SAME movie? NO.
did you even read what you quoted? I started by acknowledging the OP’s point. Then I listed times when one is already isolated so it doesn’t matter. Then you list what you can’t share as if that has anything to do with what I said. Come on, what’s the point of a car? It can’t even fly! Or a boat, sucks on land! do you have a real use case to criticize or are you just going to criticize what the AVP wasn’t designed to do? Criticize how I use my AVP but don’t mischaracterize what I say. Thanks.
Well, I've gone back and forth a bit myself. But in the end, I'm really loving the immersion I get watching 3D movies, so I'm keeping my AVP.
Yes, it's isolating and I guess I'll combat that by continuing to have friends over for weekly non-3D movie nights. I make it a point only to wear it for a few hours a day and, thus, don't feel too bad about not playing with my dog during that time.
As for doing work, I'm still finding I'm more efficient using my Mac. But I never purchased the AVP with the thought of using it primarily as a productivity device. It's always been about content consumption for me.
Yes, it's isolating and I guess I'll combat that by continuing to have friends over for weekly non-3D movie nights. I make it a point only to wear it for a few hours a day and, thus, don't feel too bad about not playing with my dog during that time.
As for doing work, I'm still finding I'm more efficient using my Mac. But I never purchased the AVP with the thought of using it primarily as a productivity device. It's always been about content consumption for me.
Returning mine tomorrow. It’s cool and I love it. Really want to keep it. But what pushed me over the edge is the inability to create user accounts for my wife and kids. If I could do that - I could rationalize the $3,500 price. But I can’t so I can’t.
“ use mine all the time. using it right now reading MR while I have the news on my RL TV, my email is a window to my left floating over the cat. on my right is some family photos i was editing. I do all this sitting on the couch. “
In what ways are these times “when one is normally isolated”? You don’t watch TV with friends or family? Do you separate yourself from friends or family to read MR? You can’t edit family photos with your FAMILY in the room? You can’t do any of this on your phone or laptop while on the couch with your family or friends?
Your hostility is clearly just a means of a divergence to the questions I have asked, all of which have to do with isolation/antisocial aspects of AVP. I’m not going to feed into your ignorance any longer but if you would like to directly answer my questions, that would be appreciated. If not, enjoy your AVP ALONE and pretending that it isn’t isolating.
dude. Chill. I speak from my own personal experiences. I don’t speak about hypotheticals. I am not interested in your agenda. you jumped into a conversation I was having with someone else, mischaracterized what I said, and now are making no sense.
yes, I watch tv with family and friends.
yes, I edit photos with other people in the room.
but, point is sometimes i am alone. Are you trying to shame me for that?
my experiences. My life. My AVP. but no, I don’t feel isolated.
edit. Btw, just curious while you’re on what ever electronic device attacking me because I enjoy my AVP, are you doing it while sitting with family or friends? Are you sharing with them?
taking 3d videos instead of just looking at the 3d world yourself….
it’s like people who record concerts on their phone instead of just…recording it with their brains
it’s like people who record concerts on their phone instead of just…recording it with their brains
The anti-AVP crowd continue to fascinate me.
Take it back or don't. That's certainly an individual decision. But the group of cheerleaders who have been here for months trying to convince people to not buy it, and who are now trying to convince people to return it...that's a psychologist's dream to unpack.
Take it back or don't. That's certainly an individual decision. But the group of cheerleaders who have been here for months trying to convince people to not buy it, and who are now trying to convince people to return it...that's a psychologist's dream to unpack.
Of those who actively are cheering for AVP to fail (as opposed to those who just think “it’s not for me” or “in a couple of generations when it’s better”) I think you’ve got a few different types:
1) Anti-Apple types who want AVP to fail because they want Apple to fail/their preferred company to win
2) People who actually want one but can’t afford it and want AVP to fail because they are upset Apple priced them out.
3) People who don’t like the idea of headsets in general / are afraid of this being the future of computing - obviously they want it to fail
Not an exhaustive list, but I bet that covers most of the haters trolling the forum.
The isolation of the device is the real hindrance to any mainstream interest and adoption
Folks that want to spend all their time inside these things are…I don't get it (or want it)
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I’m a week into my 14 day window and I absolutely love using it. It’s a $290 a month 1 year commitment for a fun new hobby and entertainment source. Keeping it. 😃
I did a lot of thinking
I’ve been on these forums since the iPad was announced and it’s the same BS every time. People will bend over backwards to convince themselves they are right about everything, it’s a pretty typical human behavior but it‘s amplified by the internet.
Also, this goes both ways, there are people who are definitely overselling the product and denying some real criticisms. Thankfully the overselling of it goes away after the first week of a product launch and does not really return until a new product comes out. Unfortunately on the other side, the people who overly hateful for no good reason never go away.
I think there is a lot of psychological studies on this about how it is easier to be negative about what we don’t understand. It’s also very hard for people to admit they are wrong. All of this is contributing everyone’s need for confirmation bias and it creates some seriously toxic conversations where nothing constructive is gained.
The thing I keep thinking about is what I learned a long time ago about technology. If you have a genuine interest in technology, and are fascinated by new advances in technology, then what exactly is there to gain about trashing it? Constructive criticism is a welcome part of the discussion, but actively wishing for it’s demise is a waste of time.
For example if you don’t like the Vision Pro, think about the reasons why you don’t like it, think about what you would change about it, and then maybe share some optimism that Apple could improve on the product until they can make it something you would buy. Nobody will fault you for not wanting the product, but going out of your way to be negative and trying to convince everyone it’s doomed feels more like someone seeking confirmation of their bias than anything else.
I’ve been on these forums since the iPad was announced and it’s the same BS every time. People will bend over backwards to convince themselves they are right about everything, it’s a pretty typical human behavior but it‘s amplified by the internet.
Also, this goes both ways, there are people who are definitely overselling the product and denying some real criticisms. Thankfully the overselling of it goes away after the first week of a product launch and does not really return until a new product comes out. Unfortunately on the other side, the people who overly hateful for no good reason never go away.
I think there is a lot of psychological studies on this about how it is easier to be negative about what we don’t understand. It’s also very hard for people to admit they are wrong. All of this is contributing everyone’s need for confirmation bias and it creates some seriously toxic conversations where nothing constructive is gained.
The thing I keep thinking about is what I learned a long time ago about technology. If you have a genuine interest in technology, and are fascinated by new advances in technology, then what exactly is there to gain about trashing it? Constructive criticism is a welcome part of the discussion, but actively wishing for it’s demise is a waste of time.
For example if you don’t like the Vision Pro, think about the reasons why you don’t like it, think about what you would change about it, and then maybe share some optimism that Apple could improve on the product until they can make it something you would buy. Nobody will fault you for not wanting the product, but going out of your way to be negative and trying to convince everyone it’s doomed feels more like someone seeking confirmation of their bias than anything else.
Please note that a lot of the pushback to the AVP requires the broader societal context
Many of us are against the entire concept of checking out from our surroundings and further burying our lives in a digital helmet.
It already immensely saddens me when I see a family of four out at dinner and mom and dad are on their phones and both kids are on their own iPads ... in public ... out to dinner.. Nobody is talking or engaging or even noticing their surroundings. And we wonder why kids are depressed, stressed, feeling overwhelmed, sometimes suicidal, on and on.
We need way less of this type of device, as humans.
I realize that's beyond the scope of your comment, but I wanted to share it because it informs how many of us feel about these "types" of devices. (no - I'm not some old luddite, not at all)
Yeah I get that take, but this criticism has existed since the dawn of the computer. I remember growing up as a kid long before we had internet and smart phones and hearing adults talk about the fears of video games destroying the youth, etc. Honestly you are welcome to this opinion and you are welcome to not buy it or want to be around other people who are using it.
But I’ve been around the block on this topic more times than I can count and I draw the same conclusion. For every piece of technology that feels like it’s making us more disconnected, we have always ended up more connected than ever before. If anything the Apple Vision Pro is a big step in a long journey of technology that will connect us in a way we have never been connected before.
The only constant in the universe is change, and you can try to fight it as much as you want but it’s going to happen no matter what you do.
Here is one of my absolutely favorite videos on how the Apple Vision Pro will make us more connected than before, and this is a path that humans have been on since the first telegraph.
The situation is different than it ever was before, even when you or I were a kid
The addictive nature of the devices and the content and algorithms on them is outright dangerous and all consuming.
Add in an isolating device with fully captured attention (excluding the surroundings on purpose even) and it gets ratcheted to a new level.
It's a real mistake to assume that "something kind of similar happened before and it was fine"
Situations do change and can absolutely cross tipping points and many of us would argue we are at one here.
Anyhow, this is not the topic of this thread, but I wanted you to at least get some feedback on why there is pushback to the AVP and indeed all the devices like it.
This seems to me an excuse to mask your real motivations.
This is an area I have some expertise in. I’m currently writing a book on this very topic. A book I’ve been working on for about 7 years. In fact, a book that I’ve written 3 chapters in while using my AVP.
Alienation and isolation have been on a steady march since humans stopped living in Tribes some 10,000 years ago. It has been accelerated by philosophical constructs that have exalted individualism and diminished community. This includes the Age of Enlightenment and most recently, the push to suburban living in isolated nuclear families. And perhaps most importantly recently, the over-emphasis on production and money as the only shared values in the West.
The AVP is a tool, like any other tool. It can be used for good or evil. The determining factor is not the tool, but the social philosophy in which the tool is used.
I used to go on long hikes, by myself. Do we blame hiking? I’ve taken cross country and cross-continent motorcycle trips. Do we blame motorcycles?
I’ve used my AVP for 5-7 hours per day since I’ve had it. But I have scheduled time, just like I’ve had for work in my home office for decades. When I’m done with work, whether on my laptop or on my AVP, I put them away, and join my family. The AVP isn’t changing that.
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I do think you have valid points but I simply disagree with your conclusion. Humans have been at odds with our rapid pace increasing connectivity and technology for long time. The impact that radios and TV and everything has had on human society is permanent.
But it’s also inescapable, for every negative, we have been evolving and adapting as a result. I am not trying to ignore the concerns of today, I am simply saying I believe we will rise to the challenge. That’s the beautiful thing about humanity, we have the capability of adapting and evolving.
So I understand your concerns, and I appreciate you sharing. The video I shared is a good take on how the technology can be used for good, so hopefully it helps understand where I am coming from.
I think you are right though, I don’t want to hijack this thread any further.
Has anyone been to a public space recently where everyone is buried in their phones? Same thing.
It's so awful -- dystopian
So bad for humans too
We are the wrong path with some of this tech
I really hope this is an overall in between stage that is looked back upon with the disdain it deserves.
sometimes but i imagine the few hundred i’ve taken over the years is quite small compared to most.
and none are of happening events im trying to actively enjoy. they’re mostly my pets or family.
i don’t think im THAT old but i’ve always been against the behavior of recording things that require active attention or participation